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Yeah, i mean it doesn't really make sense to compare them, but i've definitely listened to Low Life a lot more than Unknown Pleasures.

I'd probably rank Power, Corruption and Lies higher also.

I really like some tracks on Closer, Heart and Soul, Twenty Four Hours and Isolation particularly. Maybe on reflection it isn't quite as consistent as Unknown Pleasures, but i still think overall it's about as good.

As you said, and a lot of others do, it's a bit depressing in some ways. But i find Curtis' lyrics in general maybe less depressing than Sumner's.

Maybe depressing isn't the right word, but a lot of Joy Division tracks had some hope to them, the music was much more dour than New Order, but lyrically it wasn't all depressing.

The majority of New Order tracks from the 4 great albums they released are pretty heart breaking lyrically, Sumner seems pretty obsessed with talking about how everything good eventually turns to shit. Granted, there are some more uplifting tracks, which were never really present in Joy Division's albums.

The lyrics on Low Life are particularly biting and harsh, i find some of those tracks at least as disconsolate as anything Joy Division did. New Order were just less subdued i guess.

sumner's nowhere near as good a lyricist as ian curtis; sumner has alot of trite and downright laughable lyrics especially on post PC&L albums...did curtis write low-life? the lyrics are totally unlike their later stuff.

lyrically, joy division were depressing for me alot ---'she's lost control', 'isolation', '24 hours' 'passover' 'the eternal'...alot of it probably has to do with curtis' voice, but 'Closer' as a whole is difficult to listen to for sometimes, probably because i'm interpeting alot of the lyrics in light of his eventual suicide.

i guess with the new order stuff, even the 'inevitable decay of relationships' subject matter was just made more palatable by the music, sumner's tone as a singer, and the fact that it was mitigated by more 'uplifting' songs around it like you said...i don't know i would put it down to curtis' lyrics just being more incisive and intelligent, so his observations and sentiments have more impact for me. sorry, i'm stoned so i'm rambling lol

wow, we got off topic didn't we?

Curtis didn't write anything for Low Life (i'm not sure if New Order used any of his lyrics elsewhere?).

From memory all band members have credit as having written it. I just assumed Sumner wrote all the lyrics, but i could be wrong.

You know, obviously it's a personal thing, but the lyrics on tracks like 'Face Up' just hit hard to me.

The line "I cannot bare the thought of you" just seems poignant to me, i don't know why, it just is. A lot of people might think that track is saccharine or trite though.

That being said, i can barely listen to Republic, the lyrics (and music actually) is that ridiculous. There are a couple ok tracks, but like: "That's the price of love, can you feel it, if we could buy it now, how long will it last".... jesus price.

And yes, this thread did get way off topic lol, i've been listening to way too much New Order lately haha.

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That being said, i can barely listen to Republic, the lyrics (and music actually) is that ridiculous. There are a couple ok tracks, but like: "That's the price of love, can you feel it, if we could buy it now, how long will it last".... jesus price.

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hahahaha i know what you mean
i fuck with republic though if i've been drinking and i'm hanging out with my girlfriend and feel like camping it up a bit for the evening. it's a nice slice of early 90s house-y cheese imo but in the context of their discography it is a pretty horrendous album.

this track is a jam lol

I remember reading an interview with them where they were talking about their aesthetic, how they always wanted that homogenised look, like every album was just a product, and then they go and put Republic out with a picture of a couple fighting over a buoyancy aid on the cover juxtaposed with a flaming house haha.

It really is a case of judging a book by it's cover being appropriate.

But

You've probably seen a lot of the tracks i post in the 'what are you listening to thread', i have a penchant for cheesy music of any variety.

And to be honest, just looking at my itunes, i've listened to Republic a bunch of times.

Yes, it is horrible as a New Order album, but maybe saying i can barely listen to it was an overstatement lol.

Listening to it now, it's actually pretty enjoyable. I guess some of those horrible lyrics just stuck with me.

It reminds of late Pink Floyd almost, damn, i still love 'Learning to Fly' haha.

there is a place for that type of music, it's for when you are in an unabashedly good mood and the cheesiness is most amusing/appealing...actually, thinking about i feel like 'technique' is worse than 'republic' but i think it's probably their most visually appealing album cover (followed by PC&L)

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I remember reading an interview with them where they were talking about their aesthetic, how they always wanted that homogenised look, like every album was just a product, and then they go and put Republic out with a picture of a couple fighting over a buoyancy aid on the cover juxtaposed with a flaming house haha.

It really is a case of judging a book by it's cover being appropriate.

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hahahaha

i never thought about it like that, but yes that is one of the most headscratchingly stupid album covers from a quality band ever.

I still don't know what to make of the 'get ready' album cover either.

haha, dude, don't hate on Technique, Round and Round has one of the most powerful synth intro i've ever heard (especially the extened version).

You really don't like Technique?

Well, as i said, i like that kind of shit.

I think every track is great apart from Fine Time. It is pretty cheesy though.

You know Bernard once "lived in a town called Liberty"?

lol

i think 'fine time' tainted that whole album for me, but it is listenable and i give it some spins here and there, but i would say it's my least favorite album of theirs (well, after siren's call and get ready )

haha, i never could figure out what the deal with Fine Time is, it's so out of place.

Those crazy noises and cut up vocals and stuff.

I dig Technique a lot though.

I've never listened to Get Ready and doubt i ever will.

^^^get ready isn't bad, it's just one of those albums that was unnecessary...as an NO fan, you should at least give that and 'waiting for the siren's call' a listen. you may be pleasantly surprised.

and ya, the first time i heard 'fine time' i was just flabbergasted.

Hm, ok, i'll check them out then.

Maybe we should get this thread back on topic though.

So uh, The Pixies, greatest band of all time?

^^^ i don't think so.

however, the alternative scene of the early 90s would probably not have existed without them or sonic youth, though...although that is purely speculation on my part, seeing as how i had yet to enter puberty or even junior high school and thought jessie from saved by the bell was the hottest chick in the game at the time.

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I prefer maybe two New Order albums to Unknown Pleasures.

And Closer i like equally probably.

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You know what.

I do like New Order, a lot of people hate New Order, i always try to pinpoint the cause and they never come up with anything justified they just act like JD dickriders and hate them just because there not JD, it's bullshit.

I mean everyone loves the Foo Fighters, so whats with all the New Order hate?

and for everyone who says New Orders electronic element is shit are dizzy, i mean fair enough they ventured far from the original incarnation, but it's done nothing bad, for me it's added an extra flavour, but for a lot of people it added an unorganic element to one of the most organic bands to have ever played, which i can understand.

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Yeah, i mean it doesn't really make sense to compare them, but i've definitely listened to Low Life a lot more than Unknown Pleasures.

I'd probably rank Power, Corruption and Lies higher also.

I really like some tracks on Closer, Heart and Soul, Twenty Four Hours and Isolation particularly. Maybe on reflection it isn't quite as consistent as Unknown Pleasures, but i still think overall it's about as good.

As you said, and a lot of others do, it's a bit depressing in some ways. But i find Curtis' lyrics in general maybe less depressing than Sumner's.

Maybe depressing isn't the right word, but a lot of Joy Division tracks had some hope to them, the music was much more dour than New Order, but lyrically it wasn't all depressing.

The majority of New Order tracks from the 4 great albums they released are pretty heart breaking lyrically, Sumner seems pretty obsessed with talking about how everything good eventually turns to shit. Granted, there are some more uplifting tracks, which were never really present in Joy Division's albums.

The lyrics on Low Life are particularly biting and harsh, i find some of those tracks at least as disconsolate as anything Joy Division did. New Order were just less subdued i guess.

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My fav track off Closer.....

Yep, Colony is a tooooon.

colony is hard...i like some of the more obscure tracks they did like 'glass' and 'something must break'....which is a really heavy tune.

jd was organic, but the integration of electronic elements was something they were doing even back on disorder with the spacey noises in the background...from what i've read curtis and sumner were kraftwerk fans and that's alot of what they would listen to prior to sessions and things...i think the disdain that JD diehards have for NO is because it really does seem like they went into a more mainstream direction, the music is more danceable and the lyrics are more simplistic and the overall aesthetic doesn't quite hit the mark for the black eyeliner crowd like JD did.

I don't think i ever want to talk to someone who likes Joy Division but hates New Order.

Yeah your right.

They did incorporate some electronic effects during the JD days, but they did drastically change direction in almost every sense, from a finnacial perspective to a musical perspective, they diden't give a fuck about the JD diehards.

The diehards think that NO rose to fame off Curtis death i think, that the death was a platform on which they could achieve an instant measure of notority and fame.

However i believe that they just wanted to carry on making music, and i remember an interview with them they were talking about visiting a club and wanting their music to be played in places like this, and fair enough i understand that, people appreciate music porberly the most in a club during a drug induced state.

NO did hardly any interviews for years after Curtis died for that very reason, they didn't want to use his death as some kind of platform for New Order.

I still can't imagine someone liking Joy Division and not New Order, seems like it would be less about the music and more about their own personal homonotions of 'integrity'.

Yeah it's got nothing to do with the music, just silly dickriders really.

I think Sumner knew JD was lacking something, i mean don't get me wrong it was a great outfit, an amazing band, but there was a certain hollowness in JD that Sumner wanted to change, in fact that hollowness wast just proberly a reflection of Curtis's mindset at the time.

I personally listen to NO more then JD these days firstly because i rinsed out their albums and secondly because overall NO are better, in terms of the replay factor, you can bang their albums out over and over again, with JD however you have to be in a certain mood.

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