Message from the honorable Allah Jihad of the NGE addressing the Wu Tang Clan

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Originally Posted by LordReveal

Yo Allah Jihad, when's the book coming out?

PEACE

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anybody watch team america? that fuckin name is killin me. durka durka.

jihad means holy war

how does that make sense?

"holy war god"...


as if this guy can call himself that...

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Originally Posted by Lesbian Nun

This guy has given back only bullshit he learned from some so called teacher about these muslims beliefs, and then writes a book about them to exploit the religion and make money off of it...

and then he bashes wu-tang cause they're probably too busy to play his fundraiser and just acts like a mad baby and has to diss them all behind their backs on the fuckin internet...

the 5% nation is a HUGE hypocrisy...

i don't even think REAL muslims like you fuckin faggots...

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you really know nothing you speak of, you're talking again like this is some outside thing that is delusional and you know none of what your speaking. You think Allah Jihad has not build with wu tang members before?
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this is allah with Popa Wu, whom you should have some knowledge of since you listen to wu tang music

he was doing this shit before you even knew what a "wu tang" was

This is not some "groupie" bullshit beef, these are legitimate claims from a respectable source. It is true that members of mainstream islam do not consider member of NGE or the NOI for that matter "muslims" but that is not the point. The point is that WU TANG IS NOT PAYING RESPECT TO THE SOURCE FROM WHICH THEY CLAIM, and yet they still try to rep that source. I think that they are justified in making their claims.

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Originally Posted by LordReveal

PEACE Allah Jihad. I have a few comments

1. I understand where u coming from God, but at the same time the duty of a civilized person is to teach he who is a savage the meaning of civilization, righteousness, the knowledge of self, the science of evrything in life, love, peace, and happiness. And to some degree, that's what the Wu has done. They have chosen music and the entertainment field as a platform to teach and deliver this message.

2. Many of the lines you have quoted are from their earlier stuff. Thats when they were young (both in age and in their studies). I'm young in my studies myself (I just turned 23). But everyday I grow as a person because that is the flow of the Universe, to gradually grow throughout time. U can see the evolution and growth of the Wu themselves (at least in their music, I dont know about their personal) from their first album (Enter The Wu) to their second abum (Wu-Tang Forever).

3. U cant feed a baby steak, u have to feed it baby food. Before teaching someone, I always try to adapt to their mental state, to figure out how I'm going to teach the person, because u cant teach everyone the same. When Allah (The Father, Clearance 13X) was teaching in the streets of Harlem, he came to those who rolled dice rollin dice himself. Just like Jesus, he hung around with the thieves, prostitutes, and killers because he knew that in order to teach and civilize them, he had to walk with them. Unlike these religions such as Christianity and Catholicism, which they try to force-feed their bullshit to u anf if u regect it, they have the fucking balls to "condemn u to hell" when they are some of the biggest murderers, adulterers, & rapists. I like to say "come to the people as the people" so if someone wants me to teach them but they rollin dice in the corner, I'm going to be right there rolling dice (however, there's a limit: I'm not going to kill nobody or sell poison to my people). In my humble opinion, thats why the Wu and other rappers who are "righteous" have certain subject matter, God. Because nobody wants to be preached to, u gotta come to them as they are.

Thanks to the God Allah Jihad for sharing his views.
I wish u success on the book, I been anticipating it.
PEACE.

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this was very interesting and by far the most intelligent response on this subject, a valid way to continue a arguement instead of the name calling some of these groupies have, not that I am disrespecting everyone on this site, but there are certain people in this thread who really don't understand what's even coming out of their own mouths (typing or whatever)

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Originally Posted by Lesbian Nun

jihad means holy war

how does that make sense?

"holy war god"...


as if this guy can call himself that...

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to my knowledge his name is that because it's a symbol for the work he's doing for our generation. he is waging a "holy war" for our mentals, so we will not be swayed by misinformation. The god, allah, is what 5%ers call each other, because the original black man is "allah"

it's just a name, not meant to be taken beyond that

what kills me the most is that Lesbian Nun runs around this site claiming that Killah Priest's Heavy Mental cd is her favorite of all wu cds and it has such deep knowledge, yet she blatantly disrespects the NGE, WHICH IS the source of the knowledge on that cd...

peace.

Some things here I just can't comprehend in general, regardless of my personal opinion.

1. People who continue to comment about the 5% and KNOW absolutely nothing about the 5%, its culture, and doctrine/ideology. I've even seen some individuals in this thread make it out to be a "religion." I've seen others refer to them as "fake muslims." If you knew anything about it, you would know...1.. it is not a religion, and 2..they are not muslims, or fake muslims. I was taught in my household to speak of what you know. In this thread the I'm seeing continuous degradation of the entire 5%, horrible generalizations and misperceptions, alot of inaccuracy, fallacy; misinterpreted views..and beliefs..; and alot of anti-5% redundant rhetoric going nowhere. People love to comment about what they are ignorant to. Atleast go do some research first before you open your mouth..and make fool out of yourself and your parents.

2. I thought the purpose of a thread was to discuss and build on the topic/subject at hand. In response to Allah Jihad's words, I've seen people just respond with hostility and blind emotion. Only a select few have responded and stated something that is relevant to the the present topic.

3. Regardless of who is right and exact in the Wu-Tang clan.., they are group that has always incorporated 5% dialect and even thought within their music. This is a Wu Tang site, yet there are herds of heads who don't know...pardon self, jack shit about jack shit..., but feel free to negatively comment about the 5% NOGE...which the WU..like it or not, are RELATED to in whatever sense. They are skilled lyricists...some of the best ever, but the 5% doctrine is all over them in many of their songs. I guess it's a love-hate relationship.

4. And the thing that is sad about some of the comments I have reviewed in here...not only are they beyond inaccurate....but all the hate. If you know anything about the 5%...the lessons, and even beyond that..the people who have decided to adopt its teachings and live accordingly; or whom were raised in that type of household..., from the slums to the suburbs..., I've seen it with my own 3 eyes.....I've seen it..in a sense.."save" certain people....tons of people in my life experience (though the 5% would state strongly, they saved themselves). I've seen the wicked, deceitful, the mis-educated...under-educated, the ignorant, the lost, the confused, the low self-esteem/confidence.....the vagabonds..people with no personal hope..no optimism, drug dealers...drug addicts, convicts, murderers, the suicidal, the deadly...the depressed, the isolated, people...mentally just in chains and shackles.....come in contact with the 5%....learned correctly...adopted the teachings...and flipped their LIVES around completely...into prosperous, positive, honest and diligent human beings...white, black, etc..etc. There are people who completely rely on the math and self in their households and beyond. Then, if you look at the time periods...the sacrifice....that mid 1900s era....the blood, sweat, tears, the movement.....respecting the Black movement and white leftist progressives..., the attempt to empower the people, to liberate the gazillions of brainwashed Black minds...and even white minds..., from King, to Malcolm X, Elijah, Clarence.......the MATH RE-SURFACED in this era...and what it was TEACHING was needed at this time...and beyond. People fought, died, put their lives on the line..within this entire movement.., and I come to some Wu Tang website...to find a whole bunch of ignorant cats just knock the 5% left and right...who don't know anything about the concept..or its history nor anything it is relative to....which is always important when it comes to correct education. In no way am I implying that the whole movement then was a strictly 5% movement (that logically wouldn't make any sense),...of course not, but I am stating....that this concept re-surfaced around this time....and evolved....as a result of the injustices, psychological conditioning, institutionalized racism, socio-economic and educational hinderance..etc...etc...that black people and other people of colour were being subjected to and subjugated by the government and its sidekicks on a daily basis in many more aspects. So, you are in a sense...harshly degrading some people's bloody sacrifices, hearts, minds and souls....the only thing they had against the system. KNOWLEDGE and even HOPE. I can understand if someone didn't find the 5% ideology appealing...everyone has their own opinion...but to ignorantly attack it...as blindly and as blatantly as some of you have....is completely moronic. Don't be claim to be about peace..when you are practicing its anti-thesis. Stuff gets deeper than what you see on tv and think u hear in music.


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Anyways, with regards to the topic..., I can see why he's irate. I've came across these accusations before in my readings and discussions. It would be nice if some brothas just lended a helpin hand in any sense to where their roots are....especially if they consistently and publicly represented ICON of these roots.

And it is true about the music. The start of the bling bling era...has been the only time on this planet were Black people..as a first...had NO MESSAGE, NO CONSCIOUS, in their music. Before then, there was always something in the song......a message, something uplifting, something explaining the general pain, negative and positive emotions... and conscious/intelligent opinions of the people...via the music. Art is a REFLECTION OF LIFE, AND VICE VERSA....so the music being as shitty as it is right now..makes complete sense to me. "At one time...art declared our hue-manity." But, what goes around comes around.....


And oh yeah, by the way for the tons of people thinking the term ALLAH has only an "Arabic" origin...u need to do your research..., upgrade ya phonetics...and especially your etymology knowledge..or lack of.

WITH ALL RESPECT..

PEACE


SubliminaLtha7thBorN

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Originally Posted by SubliminaL_tha_7th_BorN

peace.

Some things here I just can't comprehend in general, regardless of my personal opinion.

1. People who continue to comment about the 5% and KNOW absolutely nothing about the 5%, its culture, and doctrine/ideology. I've even seen some individuals in this thread make it out to be a "religion." I've seen others refer to them as "fake muslims." If you knew anything about it, you would know...1.. it is not a religion, and 2..they are not muslims, or fake muslims. I was taught in my household to speak of what you know. In this thread the I'm seeing continuous degradation of the entire 5%, horrible generalizations and misperceptions, alot of inaccuracy, fallacy; misinterpreted views..and beliefs..; and alot of anti-5% redundant rhetoric going nowhere. People love to comment about what they are ignorant to. Atleast go do some research first before you open your mouth..and make fool out of yourself and your parents.

2. I thought the purpose of a thread was to discuss and build on the topic/subject at hand. In response to Allah Jihad's words, I've seen people just respond with hostility and blind emotion. Only a select few have responded and stated something that is relevant to the the present topic.

3. Regardless of who is right and exact in the Wu-Tang clan.., they are group that has always incorporated 5% dialect and even thought within their music. This is a Wu Tang site, yet there are herds of heads who don't know...pardon self, jack shit about jack shit..., but feel free to negatively comment about the 5% NOGE...which the WU..like it or not, are RELATED to in whatever sense. They are skilled lyricists...some of the best ever, but the 5% doctrine is all over them in many of their songs. I guess it's a love-hate relationship.

4. And the thing that is sad about some of the comments I have reviewed in here...not only are they beyond inaccurate....but all the hate. If you know anything about the 5%...the lessons, and even beyond that..the people who have decided to adopt its teachings and live accordingly; or whom were raised in that type of household..., from the slums to the suburbs..., I've seen it with my own 3 eyes.....I've seen it..in a sense.."save" certain people....tons of people in my life experience (though the 5% would state strongly, they saved themselves). I've seen the wicked, deceitful, the mis-educated...under-educated, the ignorant, the lost, the confused, the low self-esteem/confidence.....the vagabonds..people with no personal hope..no optimism, drug dealers...drug addicts, convicts, murderers, the suicidal, the deadly...the depressed, the isolated, people...mentally just in chains and shackles.....come in contact with the 5%....learned correctly...adopted the teachings...and flipped their LIVES around completely...into prosperous, positive, honest and diligent human beings...white, black, etc..etc. There are people who completely rely on the math and self in their households and beyond. Then, if you look at the time periods...the sacrifice....that mid 1900s era....the blood, sweat, tears, the movement.....respecting the Black movement and white leftist progressives..., the attempt to empower the people, to liberate the gazillions of brainwashed Black minds...and even white minds..., from King, to Malcolm X, Elijah, Clarence.......the MATH RE-SURFACED in this era...and what it was TEACHING was needed at this time...and beyond. People fought, died, put their lives on the line..within this entire movement.., and I come to some Wu Tang website...to find a whole bunch of ignorant cats just knock the 5% left and right...who don't know anything about the concept..or its history nor anything it is relative to....which is always important when it comes to correct education. In no way am I implying that the whole movement then was a strictly 5% movement (that logically wouldn't make any sense),...of course not, but I am stating....that this concept re-surfaced around this time....and evolved....as a result of the injustices, psychological conditioning, institutionalized racism, socio-economic and educational hinderance..etc...etc...that black people and other people of colour were being subjected to and subjugated by the government and its sidekicks on a daily basis in many more aspects. So, you are in a sense...harshly degrading some people's bloody sacrifices, hearts, minds and souls....the only thing they had against the system. KNOWLEDGE and even HOPE. I can understand if someone didn't find the 5% ideology appealing...everyone has their own opinion...but to ignorantly attack it...as blindly and as blatantly as some of you have....is completely moronic. Don't be claim to be about peace..when you are practicing its anti-thesis. Stuff gets deeper than what you see on tv and think u hear in music.


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Anyways, with regards to the topic..., I can see why he's irate. I've came across these accusations before in my readings and discussions. It would be nice if some brothas just lended a helpin hand in any sense to where their roots are....especially if they consistently and publicly represented ICON of these roots.

And it is true about the music. The start of the bling bling era...has been the only time on this planet were Black people..as a first...had NO MESSAGE, NO CONSCIOUS, in their music. Before then, there was always something in the song......a message, something uplifting, something explaining the general pain, negative and positive emotions... and conscious/intelligent opinions of the people...via the music. Art is a REFLECTION OF LIFE, AND VICE VERSA....so the music being as shitty as it is right now..makes complete sense to me. "At one time...art declared our hue-manity." But, what goes around comes around.....


And oh yeah, by the way for the tons of people thinking the term ALLAH has only an "Arabic" origin...u need to do your research..., upgrade ya phonetics...and especially your etymology knowledge..or lack of.

WITH ALL RESPECT..

PEACE


SubliminaLtha7thBorN

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This is towards Allah Jihad, Sun Tzu, & Subliminal The 7th Born:

Pay no mind to the people talkin shit. When someone is ignoant, it means they have no knowledge of a particular subject matter. Nas sais it best: "People fear what they dont understand". However, the rest of ya'll should be ashamed of yaselves for judging a particular group (in this case the 5% Nation) because of the actions or words of one man (and that man has a right to his own opinion under the constitution). If u wanna have your opinions about him, then fine, but ya'll are judging The Nation as a whole. What makes ya any different from the government, or the racial-profiling cops that think we (as blacks & hispanics) are all criminals? Ya'll doing the same thing by Judging our nation. Don't judge me my man, cuz only I can do that.

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah

what kills me the most is that Lesbian Nun runs around this site claiming that Killah Priest's Heavy Mental cd is her favorite of all wu cds and it has such deep knowledge, yet she blatantly disrespects the NGE, WHICH IS the source of the knowledge on that cd...

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Killah priest is not a disrpespectful mother fucker like this cat jihad allah...HE is wu-tang who in turn is getting DISSED by this jihad crazy lad...cat's saying even hell razah bla bla killah priest gza this ain't showin up to my fund raiser (or whoever i can't remember, either way)...fuck them pics, if he took pics why is he so bitter with the whole sitch? it's oviously a matter of circumstance and schedules....



and yes i do think Killah Priest's "Heavy Mental" is one of the best albums around not SOLELY because he mentions all this religious shit, i never really EVER agreed with what he says...i just get motivated by the way he says shit he really believes in...yet this Jihad book writer says KP is a joke and a sham to the 5% nation which he oviously promotes severely and respects...

this jihad cat has spit is mouth and gone off too hardcore...

you got more posts on this message board then me, yet you run your mouth about the wu like they're a 3rd world rap group...no respect....


sunz who, eat my nutzzz bitch...

Lord Reveal,

i've known you and respected you as one of the smartest kids on this message board....don't fuck with anyone and tell me i'm ignorant...i don't fuckin follow the 5% nation...if i was catholic or a fuckin inuit, wtf is the difference? either cocksucking way this cat is dissing his own brothers, behind their backs, either over jealousy or whatever, then decides to fuckin promote his own book sales numbers to let everyone know how great he is and how much money he makes through writing to the youth of his fucking "nation" then he says "the wu'tang manual is a bunch of shit...unfortunatley" he disses rza!, who is the rza, then says bla bla bla...so you tellin me this whole FUCKING thing isn't bias?


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total faggot bullshit through this whole thread...


sunz who has no idea wtf he's talking about...

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah

to my knowledge his name is that because it's a symbol for the work he's doing for our generation. he is waging a "holy war" for our mentals, so we will not be swayed by misinformation. The god, allah, is what 5%ers call each other, because the original black man is "allah"

it's just a name, not meant to be taken beyond that

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gayest shit i ever read...maybe the dumbest also...


5%er's are cocksuckin hypocrites...


wu-tang makes good music, but i'm starting to think this 5% thing is the biggest "dickrider" of them all...

"i don't eat pork, i'm better then yo ass bitch!"....fuck that

I'm not saying YOU alone are ignorant. We all are ignorant to a certain extent. I'm ignorant to the stuff that I dont know of also because I dont know everything. However, I dont condemn one speciffic group of people for the actions of one single person, which was the case here with other members of this forum condeming the whole Nation Of Gods & Earths for what one person said.

The word ignorant is not something bad (however, in some cases it is, dependin on how you apply it). It simply means having no knowledge on a given topic. If someone asks me for help on computer repair, I can't help because I'm ignorant to computer repair. I have no knowlege about it.

^ the ignorant factor is one i am completely aware of...i AM ignorant to most subjects of history, or anthropology plus psychology or religion for that matter...that is NOT what i'm trying to argue by any means...



"allah jihad", to me is an offensive name, simply for the side he took in weakening himself with the "vocal/internet battery" he gave to the wu...


he's fighting the "holy war" against other real peeps he's clearly jealous of...selling his "teachings" for his own profit...


lord reveal,

i respect your learnings, but sunz who has no idea what he's saying...don't flatter him, and tell him he's "learning"...some kids are severely brainwashed into this 5% nation shit...and i don't know if that's really any better then what the mainstream media is doing with cats etc...


ya ya i'm obviously ignortant, to the teachings of kuran...i must be a total wu groupie...


plus i ain't no fucking woman...


LESBIAN NUN is my name, when you know what that name means, talk to me about music sunz who or whoever else wants to diss Wu-tang on their own forum...


p.s. the dwarves rule...

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Originally Posted by Literate Type Asshole

dude has a point. you could spend years documenting the wu-tang's hypocrisy regarding the NGE

and you could spend a few more years documenting the wu-tang's hypocrisy regarding other things

but nevertheless....they're only people. i dont hold it against em

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Why are they hypocrites? they use their the lyrics, drop some jewels here and there, but also say how they live their lives, so they not coming across as righteous teachers, just being human, and that’s real. Now if you do the knowledge and claim to be god, then you would understand that as the Sun, you re the controller of your own circumference, so they can outline whats right and wrong for them within a universal outline if u know what I mean, and all you groupies in here are the fools who take their every words as the daily gospel, niggaz bleed just like us, so u should enjoy the music, grasp any jewels they present and decipher it from the irrelevant message, u do your own searching and if u are looking just only to wutang clan for that then u r lost, on a last note, tell that idiot who wrote that bullshit to get the boo- boo- boozack!!

5% nation is a hypocrisy, not only wu....think about it...they'll deal drugs, they'll smoke buds, smoke CRACK if the need to, have a whore, beat they wives...then worship a lil ass bit of ISLAM and then believe they are a real religion when they really make themselves look stupid by calling themselves the 5% nation...


that's almost embarassing you'd be part of a "5% nation"....


seriously....

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Originally Posted by Lesbian Nun

5% nation is a hypocrisy, not only wu....think about it...they'll deal drugs, they'll smoke buds, smoke CRACK if the need to, have a whore, beat they wives...then worship a lil ass bit of ISLAM and then believe they are a real religion when they really make themselves look stupid by calling themselves the 5% nation...


that's almost embarassing you'd be part of a "5% nation"....


seriously....

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That is a lame arguement cousin, what that means they are hyprocrites cos they smoke and drink, u r talking about individuals in the set, not the teachings of itself, so the catholics are all homosexuals? Muslims are all fanatics and suicide bombers.. the list goes on? ppl within this choose to do whatever tehy want, which might not reflect what they claim or represent, and when it comes to that then every motherfucker alive is a hypocrite, so lets move along,

I never said you was a female, that was someone else. And I appriciate your respect towards me.

Anywayz, somebody close this thread. It's gonna go nowhere (trust me)

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That is a lame arguement cousin, what that means they are hyprocrites cos they smoke and drink, u r talking about individuals in the set, not the teachings of itself, so the catholics are all homosexuals? Muslims are all fanatics and suicide bombers.

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Exactly the point I was trying to make. Why are u judging my nation because of the actions of one person?

If ya'll dissin the Nation, then ya'll dissin the Wu regarless whether U agree with the teachings or not. Ya still here because ya'll are Wu fans, and the Wu is a part of The Nation.

Peace, I'm gonna get some rest.

i'm saying the 5% nation is a joke!...real muslims, don't respect you as a full member of islam...


i agree it's gunna go nowhere...


i honestly respect the nation of Islam though...

i respect the willfullness to advance in knowledge, and through these beliefs alone i've gone back to school...but in no way do i take from the kuran...or from the bullshit beliefs of the bible or anything...


religion to me is much different then spirituality...you are all basing your beliefs on this phoney 5% nation...


i don't mean to bash all your teachings because of this one guy...but you yourself were giving him props for his book , even clearly after he was disrespecting himself...


catholics are the fucking scum of the earth, and i was born catholic, but deffinately do not practice that shit...i'm not that bias towards any religion in particular i just think they'z all fanatics...i never ONCE SAID suicide bombers, you racists...yo i was baptized...and you think i feel bad that i fuck sluts and eat pork?


lord reveal...


it'd take alot of persuasion for me to accept the fact that you're nation is more then a mini slice of the Muslim pie, and that real muslims simply do not respect the 5% nation...


if i am wrong in the fact that real muslims do not fully respect the 5% just give me an example...cause i don't believe a 5% catholic would make ANY fuckin sense...not that that's what it means anyways considering you're nation...

regarding lesbian nuns posts i gotta say that he should use his ableness of thinking for himself and not let the statement of allah jihad or any other single person define his image of the NGE which,while also attracting lots of fake adepts lost in superficial interpretations of their symbolism,put out a serious manual for the urban human being trying to bring down the walls in its mental that limit the movements of its mind and by this the physical frame and surrounding.If you do some serious research on what you call spirituality you will find that its principles correspond fully with the teachings of the honorable clarence 13X,like they do with the teachings of jesus,mohammad,buddha and every other messenger.you should find that every path of teaching is related to the circumstances in time and place that surround the people the message is left for while leading to the same mindstate of an enlightened,not divided mental,if followed honestly and continuous.

to tzu:sorry for not reflecting properly and aimin my first post at you,was too stoopid to see it wasnt your words.
to jihad allah:no disrespect but pay clarence 13X the dues you owe him by really getting beneath the surface of his teachings and you wont any longer claim devil has to bear a white face.But you find that in the same sources honorable Clarence 13X was gifted from the word black is used as an allegory meaning wise(which is written the same way in arabic).dont forget an official rank means NOTHING.
PEACE TO ALL ELOHIM
ACCORDING TO ALL-LAW EVOLUTION AINT NUTTIN TO FUCK WITH

ALLAH BODY IVORY and EBONY

word I understand what you meant in the first place. But I agree with Lord Reveal, this post is going nowhere, and it should be closed. But this one thing is obvious, and that is how much ignorance Lesbian Nun revealed throughout her posts. The bottom line is Wu comes from this source that you hate so much and their not giving back. And they should think about that, because that makes them Hypocrites.

You're all ignorant. Jihad does NOT mean holy war. This is what CNN has made u believe. Jihad means struggle.. sometimes translated as struggle of the soul. I aint even muslim and i know that.

So i guess his names mean's "God's Stuggle" or somethin like that. But i dont think those names have to make sense. Ruler zig zag allah dont make sense either. But yeah whatever..

The 5% nation is a joke, i cant believe some of u believe some of the lies they teach...but ignorance is bliss i suppose.

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Originally Posted by Greaterthanthou

The 5% nation is a joke, i cant believe some of u believe some of the lies they teach...but ignorance is bliss i suppose.

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And ur religion or way of life is?

I think that everyone on this forum would not know what the Nation of the Gods and Earths is, if it weren't for Wu Tang music.

Mr. Allah Jihad should be thankful. In a sense, I doubt 5 percenters would be increasing at such a rate if not for Wu Tang music. I think their contribution is worth more then then money for a benefit concert. Besides, from the likes of the article, it appears Mr. Jihad is not very smart.

By the way, Greaterthenthou:

I speak Arabic.... Jihad means to "Strive" but I will accept "Struggle" But in Arabic, possession is emphasized by putting the possessed first.

It should be Jihad Allah.

ummm NO ^^^


PEOPLE BEFORE THEM WERE SAYING THAT SHIT BEFORE THEM SO SHH


CHECK OUT POOR RIGHTOUS TEACHERS

THEN COME BACK U YOUNG ASS KIDS

An interesting original post to this thread. The point I take away from it is that religion/way of life teachings are often for the poor or those in bad situations. Its obvious that as Wu have grown in their careers (and got more money) that spirtually their music has deteriorated. But I don't really think that this is a point of criticism for the Wu as they are doing what most people would. Most people loose their religion for the same reasons.

Dear Create:

Of course the Quran is pre-Arabic (The Quran was made by Allah or God, theoreticallY). But the language of the Quran is Arabic. It is written in Arabic.

Now when you write, "PEOPLE BEFORE THEM WERE SAYING THAT SHIT BEFORE THEM SO SHH, CHECK OUT POOR RIGHTOUS TEACHERS, THEN COME BACK U YOUNG ASS KIDS"

How should I respond to that ignornant mesh of garbage. I have no idea what you just said. People before them were saying it. Who? WHO? Umm... The Poor Righteus Teachers? Were they around before the Quran? Oh... Wait, your talking about the rap group. I see...LOL? I res my case.

I think you didn't get what Create said.
anyway I agree with that

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I think that everyone on this forum would not know what the Nation of the Gods and Earths is, if it weren't for Wu Tang music.

Mr. Allah Jihad should be thankful. In a sense, I doubt 5 percenters would be increasing at such a rate if not for Wu Tang music. I think their contribution is worth more then then money for a benefit concert. Besides, from the likes of the article, it appears Mr. Jihad is not very smart.

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Respect to Lord Reveal who seem to be one of the rare tolerant dude on these board. Sun Tzu, stop dickriding every motherfucka that diss wu: shit you gotta be blind to not see this Jihad my ass ain't shit: asking for money just because wu rep (ed) NOGE ... like if it was a trademark or shit like that.

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Originally posted by Lesbian Nun
if i am wrong in the fact that real muslims do not fully respect the 5% just give me an example...cause i don't believe a 5% catholic would make ANY fuckin sense...

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I think u got the term 5% figured out all wrong. We're not saying that we are only 5% of the Muslim world. because we are not Muslims. We are not saying that we are 5% of the Islamic world either for that matter. 5% is a representation of the enlightened, righteous people of the planet earth. Islam means "total submission to the will of Allah". Islam is a the original man's nature (his TRUE way of life). Included in this 5% are "the poor righteous teachers who know who the true & living God is and teach that the true & living God is the original man, supreme being black man of Asia (these teachers are the Nation Of Gods & Earths) also civilized people, also muslims & muslim sons". I just quoted a degree from the 120 Lessons. That's ClEARLY telling ya'll that everyone in the Nation Of Gods & Earths is included in the 5%, but also includes righteous people like muslims, muslim sons, or any righteous & civilized person. Thereore, U can be living an Islamic way of life (living righteously, eating proper foods, respecting your mind & body as well as your family, household, ect) and not even know it, because real Islam (regardless of what muslims would have u beleive, even tho there are many muslims WHO DO RESPECT our nation, mr. Lesbian Nun) is an original WAY OF LIFE, a CULTURE, and not a RELIGION.

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Originally Posted by ballistic

religion at its essence is enlightening, its people who take it into their own gnarled hands and twist it into what they want it to be...i understand the 5% origins, but i can't recognize it as authentic when it distorts the image of the honorable religion of Islam.

as far as the RZA goes, that is a bit disappointing, if true...yeah i dont embrace this faction, but when you speak something, then it should be with conviction, and with truth.

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maybe thats why the cure isnt here yet

while 85% are the dumb, deaf, & blind who worship God as a spook and look for him towards the sky, and the 10% are the blood suckers of the poor (Christians leaders, Catholic leaders, ect) who keep the 85% dumb, deaf, & blind (or IGNORANT) to their true natire

LOL....i know which chick he's talking about...i saw which wu tang fam member she was dickriding....stupid hoes

From the who? Allah Jihad?
Allah ou Akbar.

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Originally posted by Ayatollah Prolific
I think that everyone on this forum would not know what the Nation of the Gods and Earths is, if it weren't for Wu Tang music.

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You are 100% incorrect my friend. I dont know why people are quick to link The Nation Of Gods & Earths only with the Wu-Tang Clan when it comes to rappers. Wu-Tang is my favorite group, however, before the Wu there were rappers from the Nation such as Brand Nubian (Grand Puba, Lord jamal, Sadat X), X-Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Rakim Allah, Big Daddy Kane aka King Aziatic, and many more. Today,there are the above mentioned as well as The Wu Killa Beez, Busta Rhymes, AZ, Tragedy khadafi, Saigon, Jedi Mind Tricks, Wise Intelligent, Ali (from the St. Lunatics), and many more. Even Nas & Jay-Z back in the day came thu the doors of our school to obtain lessons.

In regards to your statement about people only know about the Nation because of Wu? Well, The Nation influenced the Wu, not the other way around. Throught out the 80's & early 90's , the Nation was a HUGE movement in the streets, way b4 the bloods, way b4 the crips, way b4 any other group u see today. Tha Nation Of Islam were more to themselves and to their mosque and Tha Nation of Gods just took the teachings & lessons that Clearance 13X learned in the NOI and we took those lessons straight to the streets, just like Jesus did. If you were in the Nation back in the day, U would be FEARED and RESPECTED just on the strength that u a part of this Nation. The crack dealers didnt fuck with us, nor did the stick up kids. Nobody fucked with the Gods. And I'm only 22. I was a young buck during this era of late 80's & early 90's but I knew of them, because they were all around. So, NO, I didnt join because of the Wu, I cant speak for any other man, but I know I sure didnt join for that reason.
PEACE.

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Originally posted by Ayatollah Prolific
I think that everyone on this forum would not know what the Nation of the Gods and Earths is, if it weren't for Wu Tang music.

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You are 100% incorrect my friend. I dont know why people are quick to link The Nation Of Gods & Earths only with the Wu-Tang Clan when it comes to rappers. Wu-Tang is my favorite group, however, before the Wu there were rappers from the Nation such as Brand Nubian (Grand Puba, Lord jamal, Sadat X), X-Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Rakim Allah, Big Daddy Kane aka King Aziatic, and many more. Today,there are the above mentioned as well as The Wu Killa Beez, Busta Rhymes, AZ, Tragedy khadafi, Saigon, Jedi Mind Tricks, Wise Intelligent, Ali (from the St. Lunatics), and many more. Even Nas & Jay-Z back in the day came thu the doors of our school to obtain lessons.

In regards to yoour statement about people only know about the Nation because of Wu? Well, The Nation influenced the Wu, not the other way around. Throught out the 80's & early 90's , the Nation was a HUGE movement in th estreets, way b4 the bloods, way b4 the crips, way b4 any other group u see today. Tha Nation Of Islam were more to themselves and to their mosque and Tha Nation of Gods just took the teachings & lessons that Clearance 13X learned in the NOI and we took those lessons straight to the streets, just like Jesus did. If you were in the Nation back in the day, U would be FEARED and RESPECTED just on the strength that u r a part of thes Nation. The crack dealers didnt fuck with us, nor did the stick up kids. Nobody fucked with the Gods. And I'm only 22. I was a young buck during this era of late 80's & early 90's but I knew of them, becaus ethey were all around. So, NO, I didnt join because of the Wu, I cant speak for any other man, but I know I sure didnt join for that reason.
PEACE.

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Originally Posted by LordReveal

I think u got the term 5% figured out all wrong. We're not saying that we are only 5% of the Muslim world. because we are not Muslims. We are not saying that we are 5% of the Islamic world either for that matter. 5% is a representation of the enlightened, righteous people of the planet earth. Islam means "total submission to the will of Allah". Islam is a the original man's nature (his TRUE way of life). Included in this 5% are "the poor righteous teachers who know who the true & living God is and teach that the true & living God is the original man, supreme being black man of Asia (these teachers are the Nation Of Gods & Earths) also civilized people, also muslims & muslim sons". I just quoted a degree from the 120 Lessons. That's ClEARLY telling ya'll that everyone in the Nation Of Gods & Earths is included in the 5%, but also includes righteous people like muslims, muslim sons, or any righteous & civilized person. Thereore, U can be living an Islamic way of life (living righteously, eating proper foods, respecting your mind & body as well as your family, household, ect) and not even know it, because real Islam (regardless of what muslims would have u beleive, even tho there are many muslims WHO DO RESPECT our nation, mr. Lesbian Nun) is an original WAY OF LIFE, a CULTURE, and not a RELIGION.

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I really barely understand wtf you just said lord reveal...

you're saying that you are NOT muslims? but a way of life based on the teachings of the nations of gods and earths, which is different teachings then the kuran (muslims) but based on ISLAM (which is the total submission to the will of allah), and therefore call yourselves 5%ers because you are not muslims? but just another sort of like sub-branch of islam?

the original man was the black man, but not asia...didn't people evolve from africa?...


the only problem i had with this thread, was that the guy (jihad allah) who believes in everything i just tried to decipher, was going against his beliefs and therefore was completely hypocritical...dissing wu-tang n' shit for some personal misfortunes...i agree with the way you guys live, but i mean i smoke mass weed and i do blow and fuck and i'm gluttonous, but i'm also a decent person (who is not religious)...i know that 5%ers are not full blown muslims cause they too do those things i just mentioned, yet they don't seem to find their ways hypocritical?

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I think you didn't get what Create said.
anyway I agree with that


Respect to Lord Reveal who seem to be one of the rare tolerant dude on these board. Sun Tzu, stop dickriding every motherfucka that diss wu: shit you gotta be blind to not see this Jihad my ass ain't shit: asking for money just because wu rep (ed) NOGE ... like if it was a trademark or shit like that.

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you still don't get the point and i don't think you ever will, so i'm not going to repeat myself

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Originally Posted by SubliminaL_tha_7th_BorN

peace.

Some things here I just can't comprehend in general, regardless of my personal opinion.

1. People who continue to comment about the 5% and KNOW absolutely nothing about the 5%, its culture, and doctrine/ideology. I've even seen some individuals in this thread make it out to be a "religion." I've seen others refer to them as "fake muslims." If you knew anything about it, you would know...1.. it is not a religion, and 2..they are not muslims, or fake muslims. I was taught in my household to speak of what you know. In this thread the I'm seeing continuous degradation of the entire 5%, horrible generalizations and misperceptions, alot of inaccuracy, fallacy; misinterpreted views..and beliefs..; and alot of anti-5% redundant rhetoric going nowhere. People love to comment about what they are ignorant to. Atleast go do some research first before you open your mouth..and make fool out of yourself and your parents.

2. I thought the purpose of a thread was to discuss and build on the topic/subject at hand. In response to Allah Jihad's words, I've seen people just respond with hostility and blind emotion. Only a select few have responded and stated something that is relevant to the the present topic.

3. Regardless of who is right and exact in the Wu-Tang clan.., they are group that has always incorporated 5% dialect and even thought within their music. This is a Wu Tang site, yet there are herds of heads who don't know...pardon self, jack shit about jack shit..., but feel free to negatively comment about the 5% NOGE...which the WU..like it or not, are RELATED to in whatever sense. They are skilled lyricists...some of the best ever, but the 5% doctrine is all over them in many of their songs. I guess it's a love-hate relationship.

4. And the thing that is sad about some of the comments I have reviewed in here...not only are they beyond inaccurate....but all the hate. If you know anything about the 5%...the lessons, and even beyond that..the people who have decided to adopt its teachings and live accordingly; or whom were raised in that type of household..., from the slums to the suburbs..., I've seen it with my own 3 eyes.....I've seen it..in a sense.."save" certain people....tons of people in my life experience (though the 5% would state strongly, they saved themselves). I've seen the wicked, deceitful, the mis-educated...under-educated, the ignorant, the lost, the confused, the low self-esteem/confidence.....the vagabonds..people with no personal hope..no optimism, drug dealers...drug addicts, convicts, murderers, the suicidal, the deadly...the depressed, the isolated, people...mentally just in chains and shackles.....come in contact with the 5%....learned correctly...adopted the teachings...and flipped their LIVES around completely...into prosperous, positive, honest and diligent human beings...white, black, etc..etc. There are people who completely rely on the math and self in their households and beyond. Then, if you look at the time periods...the sacrifice....that mid 1900s era....the blood, sweat, tears, the movement.....respecting the Black movement and white leftist progressives..., the attempt to empower the people, to liberate the gazillions of brainwashed Black minds...and even white minds..., from King, to Malcolm X, Elijah, Clarence.......the MATH RE-SURFACED in this era...and what it was TEACHING was needed at this time...and beyond. People fought, died, put their lives on the line..within this entire movement.., and I come to some Wu Tang website...to find a whole bunch of ignorant cats just knock the 5% left and right...who don't know anything about the concept..or its history nor anything it is relative to....which is always important when it comes to correct education. In no way am I implying that the whole movement then was a strictly 5% movement (that logically wouldn't make any sense),...of course not, but I am stating....that this concept re-surfaced around this time....and evolved....as a result of the injustices, psychological conditioning, institutionalized racism, socio-economic and educational hinderance..etc...etc...that black people and other people of colour were being subjected to and subjugated by the government and its sidekicks on a daily basis in many more aspects. So, you are in a sense...harshly degrading some people's bloody sacrifices, hearts, minds and souls....the only thing they had against the system. KNOWLEDGE and even HOPE. I can understand if someone didn't find the 5% ideology appealing...everyone has their own opinion...but to ignorantly attack it...as blindly and as blatantly as some of you have....is completely moronic. Don't be claim to be about peace..when you are practicing its anti-thesis. Stuff gets deeper than what you see on tv and think u hear in music.


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Anyways, with regards to the topic..., I can see why he's irate. I've came across these accusations before in my readings and discussions. It would be nice if some brothas just lended a helpin hand in any sense to where their roots are....especially if they consistently and publicly represented ICON of these roots.

And it is true about the music. The start of the bling bling era...has been the only time on this planet were Black people..as a first...had NO MESSAGE, NO CONSCIOUS, in their music. Before then, there was always something in the song......a message, something uplifting, something explaining the general pain, negative and positive emotions... and conscious/intelligent opinions of the people...via the music. Art is a REFLECTION OF LIFE, AND VICE VERSA....so the music being as shitty as it is right now..makes complete sense to me. "At one time...art declared our hue-manity." But, what goes around comes around.....


And oh yeah, by the way for the tons of people thinking the term ALLAH has only an "Arabic" origin...u need to do your research..., upgrade ya phonetics...and especially your etymology knowledge..or lack of.

WITH ALL RESPECT..

PEACE


SubliminaLtha7thBorN

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peace to my fam right here, he always on point with it..hit the nail right on the head