Pro Wrestling

yeah, basically. and they're still getting raped on the ratings

I'm not sure why, cause PG wrestling is pretty much crap, except for little kids. The WWE hasn't turned Cena heel for years just cause he sells a good amount of merchandise. TNA wasn't afraid to turn their most popular face into a heel(Hardy). I like the Nexus, but a lot of other stuff is very predictible in the WWE.

Well when the demographic is more inclusive, I pretty sure the ratings are gonna be high, just means that they'll have to run more DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME promos.

I'm pretty sure that there's very little wiggle-room though creatively, not that The E even has/uses it.

TNA has been dissappointing for a while, trying so hard to be the old, that they forget to establish the younger roster. Which was WCW's greatest downfall, and they still haven't learned from those mistakes.

Does anyone here actually watch real wrestling? ROH, Chikara, DragonGate USA...

I don't get those channels, but I do watch AAA & CMLL, do those count?

Haha. You get that on your TV? Where do you live to get them, Mexico? They're basically the WWE and TNA of Mexico. La Parka's CMLL entrance is classic.

I only ask about ROH and DGUSA because it seems everyone in this thread is always dissing WWE and TNA but never seem to talk about the good wrestling that is out there, btw.

Yup, Galavision every weekend, but off and on for the last 5 months. WWE has better ratings in Mejico than both AAA & CMLL combined, so I'd say WWE is the WWE of Mejico

I used to go to some indie shows in my area like each month that had some of the same wrestlers from ROH and other promotions. I did a column for one of the promotions a while back. Steve Corino was one of the owners of it.

Luche Libre has always been one of my favorite styles of pro wrestling, but it sucks because a lot of the Mexican companies are trying to be like WWE with all the glitz and glamour and the promos aspect of it. Mexican Pro Wrestling has been heavily influenced by the WWE and American Wrestling in the past decade or two and it's hurt them. Obviously since WWE is the biggest down there.

Japan still holds it own, and they probably pump the best shit these days. But like I said, places like ROH, DragonGateUSA, even Chikara, they're keeping that ECW / indy tradition of American wrestling alive. Sometimes I get pissed at the WWE and TNA because they're just so corny and they're watered the fuck down. It seems like all TNA has to offer these days is the MCMGs vs Generation Me and they don't even treat that like a real feud.

I wish I could watch Japan pro wrestling, but I don't know where to watch or when it's even on

Just google that shit, or Youtube. Pro Wrestling Zero 1 is one of my favorite Japan companies. Dragon Gate [the Japan one, the original] is awesome and set the tone for DG:USA. Then you've got the bigs, AJPW and NJPW. There's plenty of Japanese promotions if you just search for them on the net. Matches, events, they're out there on Megavideo and all that.



Jericho vs Ultimo Dragon from an old Japan company called WAR.

There's classics like this and modern day matches just as good floating around out there.

I guess I never really tried to search for them, guess I'll do that

There's so much good stuff out there but ever since WWE bought WCW and ECW they've basically put a lock on the industry, so people don't know about shit anymore. The territory days are dead because of it, and the indies are the same though there are a few out there surviving. There's just so much good wrestling out there, it's a shame that there isn't ever any other discussion other than just WWE and TNA.

Check out some of Eddie Kingston's promos, this dude is in my opinion the Mick Foley of his day, but yet no one knows/talks about him. He's kinda fading away now and getting outta shape not like he ever was, but he's great on the stick and can carry a feud. CM Punk's early stuff in IWA and ROH was classic. Samoa Joe's matches in ROH and the other smalltimes are gold. Daniel Bryan aka Brian Danielson you hear Cole talk about his internet following but it's more than that, this guys matches from about early 2000 and on in Japan and the American indies are CLASSICS. Kenny Omega, Chris Hero, the American Wolves, Kevin Steen.. there are so many wrestlers out there who would wrestle laps around people like Cena it's not even funny.

so the "they" abyss was talking about coming was Jeff hardy wow what a disappointment