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Originally Posted by HAN88

mexico produces very good players, but they jus dnt get good exposure in the big european leagues, the national team is very good but they just lack the real world star talent to win them championships. hopefully dos santos of barcelona will change all that he a real big prospect.

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in PSV, netherland champion, you have salcido which may be captain of the team this year (he was in the some pre season games)
and stuttgart, german champion, pardo who made very good job all the past year

and really, as i already said, i would bet on guardado, in la coruña, hope he's going to confirm all his talent, this young has great future, and he can be a world star talent

big problem with mexican players is their salary, which is almost at the european levels...

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alan smith, cacapa, barton, geremi, viduka, enrique(maybe) and rozenhal....not to mention big sam allardye...

toon army r on the up!

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Originally Posted by HAN88

mexico produces very good players, but they jus dnt get good exposure in the big european leagues, the national team is very good but they just lack the real world star talent to win them championships. hopefully dos santos of barcelona will change all that he a real big prospect. i would say the best league changes between the premier league and the spanish la liga. the italian serie a is good but most ppl dnt like it because they assume all the games are 0-0 draws. i would also rate the german bundesliga for entertainment value.

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thanks for the info

the bundesliga is the most underrated league going around. ethically it is the best. it's the best administrated league. the problem is this whole financial shit they got going on which basically prevents clubs from spending out too much money and going into debt and financial receivership which is why alot of young africans come through the ranks before heading off to the big boys. if bundesliga clubs were able to splash out money like italian english and spanish clubs do they'd be more of a force. alot of you people should really give it a chance it's very entertaining football. also i might add french ligue 1 is quite entertaining. spewing they don't show it down here anymore

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Originally Posted by Tonearm_Terrorwrist

the bundesliga is the most underrated league going around. ethically it is the best. it's the best administrated league. the problem is this whole financial shit they got going on which basically prevents clubs from spending out too much money and going into debt and financial receivership which is why alot of young africans come through the ranks before heading off to the big boys. if bundesliga clubs were able to splash out money like italian english and spanish clubs do they'd be more of a force. alot of you people should really give it a chance it's very entertaining football. also i might add french ligue 1 is quite entertaining. spewing they don't show it down here anymore

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and our situation is almost the same, the financial control is very strong, and if a team had the same situation than barcelona for example, it would already be out of the first league...
when your financial situation is a little critical, they forbid you to buy players

the great difference between france and most of the other countries is the homogeneity of the championship, because even team in the 18th or 19th position are strong and hard to beat
when you see team in that positions in england or spain, i think the french equivalent kill them...

same thing with bundesliga. in recent years, bayern aside, there has almost been totaly different teams in the champions league. much more open league than the big 3

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Originally Posted by Moctezuma

when you see team in that positions in england or spain, i think the french equivalent kill them...

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I think not, the English Championship (old div 1/2) is stronger than most of europe's top divisions. If Ligue 1 were that strong a league, Lyon wouldn't win it every year as a formality, and they wouldn't bottle it in europe when they come up against a resilient side.

Oh, and before I forget, if Die Bundesliga has regulations in place to prevent clubs going into masses of debt - why are Borussia Dortmand in millions of pounds of debt? I'm sure it applies to the likes of Kaiserslauten and Frankfurt as well, though I'm not completely certain with those 2.

because dortmund arent in financial receivership due to over spending like the big clubs are and are actually steadily improving their financial situations

and your argument about the french league is the same about the english, italian and spanish. and lyon actually do good in europe

I didn't say Lyon didn't do well, I said they bottle it. And thats normally due to the lack of competition in their domestic league. The same thing was with England, when Man Utd dominated in the mid-late 90s, the lack of strong competitors in the league leaves a side lacking both technically and psychoogically going in to european games.

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Originally Posted by Tonearm_Terrorwrist

because dortmund arent in financial receivership due to over spending like the big clubs are and are actually steadily improving their financial situations

and your argument about the french league is the same about the english, italian and spanish. and lyon actually do good in europe

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when?

lyon are solid in europe. they could be much better if they didnt have sold half there squad to the big european sides. think if they kept all there players. lyon would be solid challengers for the champs league. they do a lot with the minor budget they got compared to the other champs league sides. same goes for fc porto, they always push the bigger european sides with there low budget to.

solid, is not good though. you gotta win something or atleast go to some finals.

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Originally Posted by whitey

when?

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lyon obviously don't have the financial backing of silvio burlesconi do they? not every team's objection is to win the champions league believe it or not

not sure how well they're gonna do, but I liked the look of Paris St. Germain. They were very entertaining to watch in The Emirates cup.

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