the bcs does not want to have two powerful conference suffer loses to two none bcs schools
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the bcs does not want to have two powerful conference suffer loses to two none bcs schools
exactly
i disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
The BCS wants the biggest matchup Boise St. or TCU just isnt going to be a great draw.
And all these small conferences can whine and complain but in the National Championship game they would have a tough time winning.
Just look at what Florida did to Cincy.
And it took a near miracle for Boise to beat Oklahoma the one year
So what if it was a 'miracle' that Boise St. won that bowl game. The point is that they were heavy under dogs and were competitive the whole game, just like they would be with whoever 'big name' school they should have got put up against this bowl season. The same for TCU. TCU is better than Cincinnatti by the way.
yea, but Oklahoma wasn't the top team that year.
What im saying is that the matchup of Texas/ Alabama is the best matchup in a non playoff format system.
Alabama is lucky that Texas got that last second miracle win, cause they would have gotten a tougher game from TCU.
i highly doubt that but hey, to each there own.
you also think the super bowl should be played at Lambeau field...nuff said
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Originally Posted by NickyTooch
i don't think anybody is arguing that toochski. but that doesn't mean they couldn't have played iowa, florida, cincinnati or georgia tech
georgia tech aint nobody.
cincy got the nod cuz they come from the best confernce out of the 3.
If TCU and Boise scheduled a top notch opponent like say, Ohio State in the season and scheduled another tough regional one like say, Oregon,(like they did) and they won both, then I'd say they got hosed.
But they just do not play good enough schedules because their conferences are so much weaker than the top teams.
RUSTON, La. – Is it cowardice or collusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier is all but begging for a major opponent – any major opponent – to play his Broncos, particularly in 2011. He can hardly get his calls returned. Not by the SEC. Not by the Big Ten. Not by anyone.
Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.
So far, no one has bit.
ESPN has even become involved trying to broker a deal that will almost assuredly be nationally televised. Still no luck.
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It’s the kind of non-conference game that should have schools salivating. Boise delivers an opponent that will challenge your players, exposure that will extend your brand and a home game that will excite your fans.
“It’s been surprising how many big schools have not been receptive of us coming to their place,” Bleymaier said.
This is the conundrum for the upstart program and every non-major conference school trying to battle for national respect.
Boise is 44-4 over the past four seasons, including 4-1 against major conference opponents. Yet that doesn’t guarantee the Broncos a slot in a big money BCS bowl due to the level of competition they play in the Western Athletic Conference.
The school acknowledges it needs to play tougher teams. Yet how can they beat quality opponents if quality opponents won’t play them?
What Boise is left with is games like Friday’s here. They traveled 2,000 miles to beat Louisiana Tech 45-35, a conference game, and improve to 9-0 on the season. For that they practically had to apologize because it wasn’t a blowout.
“That’s how it always is when we play,” coach Chris Petersen said. “It’s never good enough. It’s good enough for us, we won. If you’re looking to win by so much, if you’re looking for style points, if you’re looking to play for the polls, which we’re not, it’s not going to be good enough.”
Petersen has had it with arguing about whether the Broncos deserve a BCS bid. All he can do is win games. His team beat the one major opponent that would play them this year – a 19-8 victory over Oregon in the season opener. That same Oregon team is now 8-1.
Yet he deals with questions about who his team plays in the WAC. Boise won consecutive games this year by a combined score of 99-16 and dropped from No. 4 to No. 7 in the BCS standings. Petersen said he wouldn’t be surprised if they dropped again this week. They may again put together a perfect season only to be left out.
The only answer is to play better non-conference opponents. Next season they have games against Oregon State and Virginia Tech. After that though, things may be drying up. In 2011, they can’t get one game, let alone two.
So are the big schools scared of playing Boise? Avoiding tough non-conference opponents is the new trend in college football thanks to the BCS. The championship system discourages dangerous, if exciting, out-of-league scheduling as it continues to sap the life out of the regular season.
Or, perhaps, this is how the major conferences are going to deal with the Broncos.
Put it this way, if no one good agrees to play Boise then Boise can’t beat anyone any good. And if Boise can’t beat anyone any good, then how can they ever argue they’re deserving of a spot in a $17.5 million BCS bowl?
“I don’t think it’s collusion,” Bleymaier said. “I think it’s athletic directors going to their football coaches and saying, ‘hey, what about playing this school?’ If coaches had their druthers they’d play sisters of the poor 11 times.”
Still, the frustration is obvious.
“Some of those schools that are saying ‘let them play our schedule’ won’t play us,” Bleymaier said.
That no one will accept Boise State’s offer is absurd. This isn’t a decade ago, when playing the program was no-win situation. If you won, you were supposed to win because no one had heard of them. If you lost (which was likely) it was a disaster.
There can’t be any college fans left who don’t know how good Petersen’s team is. A game against Boise would bolster anyone’s home schedule. It would be a huge game. The television exposure would be invaluable.
Maybe Florida and Texas don’t need a game with Boise (they can ride non-conference cupcakes to the title game). A middle of the pack Big Ten or Big 12 team certainly does though. Boise’s program is more famous than all of them – the Broncos are on true national television seven times this season alone.
Yet no one wants the game. They’ll schedule mismatches from the old Division I-AA instead (and charge full ticket price). Bleymaier has to keep his composure as he listens to the critics.
Last year Utah went 13-0 yet didn’t have a chance to play for the BCS title. At a Congressional subcommittee hearing University of Nebraska chancellor and BCS figurehead Harvey Perlman was asked what the Utes could’ve done differently.
“They could have played the schedule Nebraska did,” Perlman said.
While it’s par for the course for the BCS to have a leader who has no idea how college football works, what can a Boise State do in the face of that kind of ignorance?
Would Boise accept an invitation to join the Big 12?
“Yeah, of course,” Bleymaier said. “If we were in their conference we’d play that schedule.”
Not only is that not happening they can’t get one game against the league. While Bleymaier won’t say specifically which schools have turned him down, he will say that the open date remains – Sept. 3, 2011. The offer stands, the Broncos will go anywhere.
And, lo and behold, guess which major conference school happens to have an open date? How about Harvey Perlman’s Nebraska, the one-time powerhouse which could use all the big attention grabbing games it can get these days?
Don’t hold your breath on that one – chicken or collusion, the result is the same.
its the BCS covering its own ass. they dont want anymore incidents like utah crushing alabama last year.
well, from Ohio States perspective....
We have Va Tech, Miami, and Oklahoma on the upcoming out of conference schedules....previiously we have had USC and Texas.
We dont have room for Boise St., but even if we did, a matchup with any of those other teams is better for us than Boise St. because they all come from better conferences and are much bigger draws.
i guess what Boise needs to do is either try to get into the PAC-10 or play second tier teams in almost all of their out of conference games.
They need to find schools in big conferences who could benefit from beating and playing them.
A team like Northwestern, Arizona, Texas Tech...etc. Or even teams lower than that as long as they play for a power conference.
Yeah, Oklahoma is usually a big draw, except for this past season.
I remember I had enjoyed that article. I meant to post it a couple months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
boise should go independent.
they should....its their conference that kills them
if they go independent, they still have to schedule games and nobody outside of the shitty conferences will schedule them.
they'll be able to load up their schedule with middle of the road BCS conference teams like michigan st. standford, ole miss, florida st, ok. st. why not? since they have no problem playing anybody and it wont be that much different a schedule than what the big boys play.
having an undefeated season against teams like that is way more respectable than what they're playing now(idaho, louisiana tech, SJSU, ELOEL). and if they can run off undefeated seasons consistantly with that schedule the big schools will schedule them.
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Originally Posted by wadedigital36
those are the teams that won't schedule them now.
they wont go independent. best they can hope for is to get into the pac 10.
But still, they could schedule an ACC or Big East team and a bottom feeding team from one of the other conferences.
Its just that none of the Big Boys will do it.
A team like Mich. St. already has ND out of conference let alone having to play the Big Ten schedule so they dotn really need another tough test because if they can get thru the Big Ten unscathed they kno they are in.
But it depends. the problem is that Boise State is not a huge draw and the Big Ten schools cut won't be big enough for the risk of a loss when they can get the same amount of money to beat up on a cupcake.
Ohio State played SJSU this year or maybe it was New Mexico state and they beat them like 48-0.....those teams Boise St. plays are so fucking bad its like a scrimmage.
they're already getting the oregon's to play them. they could get minnesota or penn st from the big10, nebraska from the big12 and then load the rest of their schedule with shmucks from the two basketball conferences. they'll get there 1, 2, or 3 tests per year like all the other big teams and will be playing a BCS caliber schedule.
Cincinnati would have played a better game if their coach did not run to coach the Fighting Irish, and TCU and Boise are better then most teams in the bcs, and I think they can beat Alabama, Fla and Texas
I dont. I dont think it would be close.
Ohio State could handle Boise St.
They just dont have the depth and size on the defensive sideof the ball.
The thing is, yes, they have a prolific offense, but they are never tested by a true defense.
The only time they would have a chance against a BCS team is if that BCS team had a weak defense.
No way they are beating Florida or Alabama or Ohio State or Texas.
any of those teams can catch lightning in a bottle a beat a big dog in their one chance in a million to play them. anybody can beat anybody on any given day. can they beat them consistently in a schedule where they play them every year? thats why they dont get respect. they play asshats all year and get to play in a bowl game against teams that have to go up against BCS competition every week, every year.
if they think they're good enough to play with the big boys then they need to join a BCS conference or go indie.
TCU has the top rated defense in college football.
People on ESPN are saying that TCU had a tougher schedule than Texas this season.
top rated against who? southern methodist, UNLV, san diego state, air force?
child please.
exactly
'Western Athletic Conference champion Boise State earned its second BCS victory—as many as Michigan, Penn State and Alabama have combined.'
^^holla at me when boise st. wins a national championship. those 3 schools have 25 between them(michigan has 11).
I will when they get offered a chance to play in one.
well, its alot easier for Boise to get in cuz they play in a bs conference.
Put Penn State in the WAC, they go undefeated 7 straight years
join a big boy conference then. beating up on idaho, louisiana tech, SJSU, and new mexico state every year aint gonna cut it fam.Quote:
Originally Posted by check two
we will never know if a team like BS could win the title until there is a playoff, but there is too much money the NCAA, and colleges would lose if there was a playoff
btw I think there are a lot better teams then GA tech, and Iowa that should have played in the orange bowl
people need to just give up on a playoff. not because its not what NCAA football needs, but because its NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. we should instead think of ways to make the current system less retarded. one of those things would be to stop allowing teams to choose who they play OOC.
What teams are better than ga tech and iowa? Tech won the ACC so they were guaranteed a spot, I agree the Iowa is a little suspect. But the hawkeyes are leading now, tech needs to step it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by hectis
I am ok with the current BCS system, clearly bama and texas are the 2 best teams in the country and they rightfully are playing for the title. But let's say there are 3 undefeateds from big conferences, then what do u do?
An 8 team playoff would work as well. And this way you could still have your big bowl games, they would just be the quarterfinals and semi's and the national championship would stay the same
garbage,
colt mccoy out for the game. if bama wins it will be tainted.
it aint tainted at all. Texas is one dimensional, which is why they wrent going to win in the first place
^^ True
24-7 this one is over.
Iv been saying from the get go that Texas is the least qualified National Championship game team iv seen
They are. Florida or Ohio State would have done better.
BUT Texas deserved it, they went undefeated.
Were is Visionz??? I told him they didnt have a shot.