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Percy Harvin is a wide receiver right? What happened to Dante Culpepper? He didn't last long in the NFL. He was pretty good for Minnesota.
He worked out for the 49ers last year. He should go back to the Sacramento Mountain Lions
What minor league has that Sacramento team you named?
The UFL. They are a pro league though, not minor league.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
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yes, and Culpepper was good, but after he hurt his knee was never the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
luck gets my vote for rookie of the year.
RG3 has been awesome but the redskins have dumbed down the offense to accommodate him. run the football and play defense. denver did the same thing for tebow which why he had whatever success he had. obviously RG3 is way better than tebow however. RG3 doesnt even have 3000 yards passing. the redskins are babysitting RG3 with the offense they're running.
the same can be said for russel wilson.
the colts are giving luck the whole playbook. he's throwing the ball 40 times a game on average. he's second in the league in attempts. the colts are pass first, run second and they dont have much of a running game. peyton threw a ton of INTs in his rookie season too. when you're a rookie thats gonna happen when you're being asked to basically carry an offense.
the redskins are running an offense to limit RG3s mistakes while the colts are living and dying on andrew lucks arm.
If playing at a high level was as easy as RG3 makes it look, everyone would be doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
Much more of our offense is predicated on Griffin's decision-making ability than some people would lead you to believe. Morris is a great back but the play action game isn't at it's best unless you are dangerous both running and passing.
RG3's dual-threat ability gives a back like Morris that extra second to hit the hole because the D is concerned with RG3 and the formations. Once Griffin was knocked out of the Atlanta game Morris went from dominating to nonexistent.
this statement doesn't even warrant a response. smfhQuote:
and play defense.
Griffin can actually beat you with his arm unlike Tebow and the Redskins have a historically terrible secondary. horrible comparison.Quote:
denver did the same thing for tebow which why he had whatever success he had. obviously RG3 is way better than tebow however.
lol @ comparing a player with a 104 passer rating and a 67% completion percentage toTebows 40 something completion percentage and 70 something QB rating.
RGIII has been without his #1 WR several games and lost his top 10 TE in week 7. I could easily drift into the "well, if RG3 had Reggie Wayne to throw to..." argument.Quote:
RG3 doesnt even have 3000 yards passing.
Can you see Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, etc. running that offense?Quote:
he redskins are babysitting RG3 with the offense they're running.
Thats the point. Griffin is one of a very few number of QBs that can actually run that offense. Griffin actually can run for almost 100 yards in a game.
Luck throws more because he puts his team in a hole more and the team is forced to abandon the run. The Colts are an average rushing team. The median team at #16 rushes for less than 7 yards more than the Colts (at #22). The reason the Colts don't rush more is that they are being put in a hole with iNTs (many of them pick 6's) by that QB that you keep saying is not at fault. When in fact, it is very much partly his fault that they are passing so much to begin withQuote:
the colts are giving luck the whole playbook. he's throwing the ball 40 times a game on average. he's second in the league in attempts. the colts are pass first, run second and they dont have much of a running game. peyton threw a ton of INTs in his rookie season too. when you're a rookie thats gonna happen when you're being asked to basically carry an offense.
No, there running a offense that best utilize his strength. do you have the slightest idea mike shanny is running his west coast offense and adding other elements because of the traits Rg3 possesses.Quote:
The redskins are running an offense to limit RG3s mistakes while the colts are living and dying on andrew lucks arm.
Griffin actually has poise in the pocket, much better pocket presence, better arm/accurate, and doesn't run in the pocket like a chicken the second he senses pressure.
How many Redskins games have you actually watched this year?
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you're making it seems like im saying RG3 sucks. im not saying this.Quote:
Originally Posted by OlympiQ
hey, if the redskins D sucks thats on them. im just saying that how they have to play. they're not like the patriots where they're gonna outscore everyone.
yeah manning, brady etc. cant run the offense RG3 is running, neither could john elway or joe montana. they're not runners. the real question is, could RG3 run theirs? this remains to be seen as he's in an offense thats run first pass second.
the colts have no running game period, they didnt have one when manning was there. near last in the league year after year. they have no choice but to throw the football in indy and while luck may get them into holes he's shown the ability to dig them out of those holes with game winning drives. any other rookie QB would be screwed if they were in the positions luck was in and he's consistently dug them out. despite all these picks and a shit running game the colts are 9-4.
like i said, peyton threw a ton of INTs his rookie year. as he got more experience, the picks went down. luck has already shown he can make plays and lead a team for drives in critical situations where he HAS to throw.
RG3 has poise in the pocket and luck doesnt? what is this predicated on? the number of picks? as already explained, the colts dont have a running game and havent for years. they HAVE to throw the football and it has little to do with being in a hole unless you want to say that hole is not having a running game to begin with.
as i said, RG3s accuracy is better because he's not being asked to throw 40 times a game. he has the ability to run and this is what the offense is based on. we'll see, maybe RG3 breaks the mold of the so called dual threat Qbs that came before him who were very good at running but not so good at passing. so far, im not convinced.
She wants that money. That's more important to her than thinking about that he's a scary looking dude that beats her up.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronSheik
damn that bitch is boney
Kirk "Sunshine" Cousins gonna sexually assault the Browns end zone today unnnngh
Giants looking good
looking good as woopi goldberg.
Bwahahahahaah GIANTS say GOOD Bye Play-offs
Hey Dirty Knowledge bless us with the wonders of your team.
giants shut out, wow.
how about kurt cousins coming in for RG3. hell of a game for him.
why did the Cowboys have that dude who killed his teammate on the sidelines today?
You are acting if he's just some Vick 2.0. which is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
Naw nigga, you stated the Skins won games due solely to their run game and defense similar to last years Broncos squad which is WAY off. The Skins have won/loss the majority of their games in shootouts.Quote:
hey, if the redskins D sucks thats on them. im just saying that how they have to play. they're not like the patriots where they're gonna outscore everyone.
I can point to one or two games where RG3 had the defense sabotage his efforts (the first Giants game for instance where he led what should have been a GWD only to see the Redskins secondary not play defense on the first play of the Giants last drive and give up a long TD to Cruz). RG3 doesn't have the luxury of having his defense bail him out in games like Luck has in a couple of their wins.
The Redskins are a running team under Mike Shanahan, if RG3 was asked to throw more im sure he would do it more efficently than Luck. Even in college RG3 rarely threw intercerptions. There's just no need for Griffin to become solely a passing qb with that kinda speed.Quote:
yeah manning, brady etc. cant run the offense RG3 is running, neither could john elway or joe montana. they're not runners. the real question is, could RG3 run theirs? this remains to be seen as he's in an offense thats run first pass second.
Stop making shit up. They're an average run team. They are #22 and the median at #16 rushes for less than 7 more yards per game than them. Colts are hardly a bad rushing team. They simply abandon the run too much and try to air it out.Quote:
he colts have no running game period, they didnt have one when manning was there. near last in the league year after year. they have no choice but to throw the football in indy and
I would much rather my qb not put my team in that kind of situation to begin with.Quote:
while luck may get them into holes he's shown the ability to dig them out of those holes with game winning drives.
Yeah, because Griffin and Wilson have never led GW drives.Quote:
any other rookie QB would be screwed if they were in the positions luck was in and he's consistently dug them out.
The Colts and their -16 TO differential are the worst 9-5 team I have ever seen. Must be nice to play the jaguars twice, titans twice, browns, bills, jets, dolphins, lions, and chalk it up as Luck is the GOAT. fuck outta here.Quote:
despite all these picks and a shit running game the colts are 9-4.
So have Griffin and Wilson but they're sample size isn't as large as Luck's because they don't consistently put their teams in holes.Quote:
like i said, peyton threw a ton of INTs his rookie year. as he got more experience, the picks went down. luck has already shown he can make plays and lead a team for drives in critical situations where he HAS to throw.
Luck -3.4 TD% and 3.4 INT% (0% difference)Quote:
RG3 has poise in the pocket and luck doesnt? what is this predicated on? the number of picks?
Griffin -5.1 TD% and 1.1 INT% (4.0% difference)
Wilson -6.1 TD% and 2.7 INT% (3.4% difference)
Luck is sacked less often than Griffin and Wilson, throws TDs at a lower percentage, and INTs at a higher percentage yet he has the superior "presence" ?
"RG3 has thrown a high share of short passes, with 153 of his 205 completions (74.6 percent) thrown fewer than 10 yards. But he's just a tree in an NFL forest of QBs throwing short passes. Consider that Tom Brady, with a passer rating of 105.2, is throwing short at a far higher rate. Brady has thrown fewer than 10 yards on a whopping 222 of his 308 completions entering Week 13, or 81 percent, far ahead of Griffin. Matt Ryan, with perhaps the NFL's best downfield options in Julio Jones and Roddy White (as well as Tony Gonzalez), throws short 73 percent of the time, essentially the same as Griffin. Peyton Manning (74.1), Rodgers (73.4) and even Joe Flacco (70 percent) are all thriving on the short ball at a rate virtually the same as RG3.Quote:
and i said, RG3s accuracy is better because he's not being asked to throw 40 times a game. he has the ability to run and this is what the offense is based on.
If you claim the Redskins have RG3 pedaling in an offense built around the short throw --quick slants, quick digs, across-the-formation shots --then you might as well say Brady is being pushed while utilizing training wheels.
Griffin is, without overstating it, an extraordinarily accurate NFL QB. Not for his age, but for a thrower of the football, period. Evaluators will tell you that accuracy is probably the single greatest indicator of a QB's ability to succeed because it encapsulates everything. It's not just ball placement, it's timing; it's the ability to hit the right route by working through reads, throwing to the open man and, when you do, hitting him in a location that allows him to gain yards after the catch. And to even be consistently accurate, you have to do so many other things well, all starting between the ears. In baseball terms, it's the difference between control and command. Good control means you can throw strikes consistently; good command means you're painting corners and with proper depth on the pitches. RG3 has command.
According to PFF, RG3's accuracy percentage (which accounts for drops, throwaways, spikes, batted passes and passes where the QB is hit while throwing) is at an NFL-leading 80.5 percent. The lead itself is impressive, but to put that number in context, since PFF began tracking the stat in 2008, only Rodgers has a higher rate --80.6 percent. In other words, RG3 through 11 games is as accurate a passer as we've seen in the NFL over a five-year period when virtually every passing record has been torched. Among rookies in that time, Ryan has the best full-season mark, at 74.6 percent. How deterministic is that number? This season, the guys directly trailing RG3 are Rodgers, Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Matt Schaub and Brady. Pretty good company.
And RG3 isn't just accurate because he's throwing short. On throws of more than 20 yards, his accuracy percentage is 52.2 percent, third highest in the NFL. According to ESPN Stats & Info, he's completed 66.7 percent of those 20-plus-yard throws, second highest in the NFL. And RG3 actually throws downfield plenty next to his peers. On intermediate throws (10-20 yards) he's completed 42 passes, more than Brady or Rodgers. This goes back to last season at Baylor, where coaches Art Briles and Phil Montgomery tinkered with his delivery on the deep ball. His 72.4 percent completion percentage last season wasn't just pure college offensive gimmickry --his 10.7 yards per attempt led the nation.
The accuracy stands up under another level of scrutiny --pressure. Against five or more rushers, RG3 has completed 67.4 percent of passes, a higher rate than the impossible-to-blitz Peyton Manning. His accuracy percentage under pressure is an obscene 81.9 percent, an NFL high."
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...-aaron-rodgers
Griffin is undoubtedly more accurate than Luck.
Rg3 is a far better passer than a Vince Young or Michael Vick. Aron Rodgers is much better comparison.Quote:
we'll see, maybe RG3 breaks the mold of the so called dual threat Qbs that came before him who were very good at running but not so good at passing. so far, im not convinced.
Giants luck has finally ran out, Skins boutta own the division next 10 years http://imageshack.us/a/img855/8641/kdlaugh1.png
The worst division in football?
hahaha
it used to be the toughest, but it really has gone down the shitter.
still, skins fuckin won! what! they beat the browns! fuck yeah bitch! how many teams can say that? well, in the last 4 weeks anyways? shit yeah neikro, QB controversy time and shit.
seriously though, how dope will it be when the skins line up with 2 QB's in the pistol? fuuuuuuuuuuuck
i love how the Rams draft picks they got in the RG3 trade keep getting worse and worse
wow, tied up from 31-3 lol
the redskins lead the league in rushing. 1st in total yards and YPG, 2nd in total attempts and 5th in APG.Quote:
Originally Posted by OlympiQ
they're 19th in passing. 18th in yards, 30th in attempts and APG
RG3 doesnt pass. he doesnt have to pass. luck has to pass. if by "average" you mean completely ineffective then yes, the colts running game is average. Rg3 has more rush yards than the colts starting back and afred morris has more yards than the colts 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string backs combined.
the redskins are a running football team and a good one at that. RG3 is managing the few throws he's asked to make well, which is good. its good to have a great running game to fall back on while your QB only has to make a few plays through the air here and there but doesnt have to carry a team with his arm.
luck doesnt have the luxury of a balanced offense. he's gotta throw it.
RG3 is not on peyton, brady, or arron rodgers' level. these guys actually throw the football.
but hey, its working for the skins so why should they change? its working for the 49ers too.
great fucking game between the the 49ers and pats. pats come back from being down 31-3 to make a game of it late.
fucking shootout.
Cheatriots got sonned in their own house....they should fire Hinez Ward for running his mouth in the pre-game....talkin bout Brady being in Montana's class....stfu! the faggot cant even win in the big game in the clutch plus he got Bill BelliCheat....the audacity for him to say that!
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whas funny is the faggot was playin extra hard to beat his hometown team & couldnt come thru
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you missed the comeback down 31-3 to tie it? lol @ thinking Brady is overrated.
lol comeback to what...did he win? how bout just taking the lead? Cheats have trouble with elite teams & he hasn't won any vs. them in the past 6 yrs. he got outplayed by Kap....anyway, he's aight but he aint in that Montana class. Cheatriots have always had good O but my point was, their D is pathetic & imo cost them 2 championships...funny thing is BelliCheat is a defensive coach but then he goes & gets rid of Seymour & players like that...uses SpyGate to get an advantage...pathetic & overrated
he fell just short of being montana by not finishing off a comeback where the pats were down 28 points with less than 6 mintues left in the 3rd against the #1 defense in the league. any other team in the league would fold the tent and start thinking about next week...well, unless that team had peyton manning under center.
blame the defense.
The Vikings did not need a comeback vs the 49ers, because we made rust out of their gold behind QB Ponder
It was a very well played game. The Niners need to stop playing prevent defense. The prevent defense is what got the Pats back into the game. Once we switched back to man coverage they couldnt do shiiiiiiiieeeeeeet.
am not a fan of the Prevent D. It seems that a defence designed to stop the pass some how allows teams to always comebackQuote:
Originally Posted by MASTER PAI MEI
you'd think after they scored 2 TDs they'd say fuck this, lets go back to the D we were running at first.
you certainly dont start playing prevent D when there's 6 minutes left in the 3rd. bad move.
Yeah. Its kinda like telling the other team we dare you to score. The problem is they did with effeciency. Every time any teams plays prevent it prevents them from winning. lop! Once they went back to man coverage Brady couldnt get the ball out he was sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
Now Griffin doesn't pass? Griffin has thrown the ball just as much Matt Ryan did his rookie season but is doing it far more efficiently.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
Alfred Morris also has just as many rushing attempts as the Colts 1st, 2nd, and third string backs combined. Colts just need to run more often. Problem is that they have a QB that likes to turn the ball over and pretty much force them to be one-dimensional late in the game.Quote:
if by "average" you mean completely ineffective then yes, the colts running game is average. Rg3 has more rush yards than the colts starting back and afred morris has more yards than the colts 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string backs combined.
The run the game is largely due to him. I dont think you would see Alfred Morris having this success in a more conventional offense.Quote:
the redskins are a running football team and a good one at that. RG3 is managing the few throws he's asked to make well, which is good. its good to have a great running game to fall back on while your QB only has to make a few plays through the air here and there but doesnt have to carry a team with his arm.
RG3 doesnt throw as much because he is much more efficient early on in the game and doesnt need to dig them out of holes like Luck does.
Even when the Colts have had success running the ball (as they have the last two weeks), Luck has still been extremely inefficient.Quote:
luck doesnt have the luxury of a balanced offense. he's gotta throw it.
Obviously he isn't right now as rookie neither is Luck. Griffin definitely can be though, he's similar to Rodgers in alot of ways.Quote:
RG3 is not on peyton, brady, or arron rodgers' level. these guys actually throw the football.
the redskins offense is built around the run. they dont throw as much because they dont have to. they're more efficient in the running game. the 49ers are similar. RG3 has 112 run attempts for over 700 yards. the only other Qb that comes close to that is cam newton.Quote:
Originally Posted by OlympiQ
alfred morris is averaging more yards a game than indies top 2 backs combined. he also has more yards per carry than both backs. running it more isnt gonna change that. the colts simply dont have an effective running game to compliment the passing game. when you cant run it, you have to throw it. the colts are a pass first team. they should run it more to take pressure off of luck but their running game is worthless....or "average".
luck is a rookie being asked to throw more than 40 times a game with no running help. mistakes are gonna happen.
it doesnt matter if luck gets into holes when he consistently getting them out. being able to overcome adversity is an excellent trait in a QB. too bad he has to play the texans 2 of his last 3 games of the season. this will probably knock him out of the playoffs. meanwhile the skins finish off with the browns, eagles, and cowboys.
neither of these guys are on peyton brady or rodgers level. they're still rookies, and quite frankly both QBs could just be flashes in the pan beyond having great rookie seasons.
lol @ the bad news jets
How do you explain Luck's terrible numbers the last two weeks despite having a "effective" run game? Swap Morris with the Colts top back and I guarantee nothing changes between both teams because Griffin makes our run game go.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
Luck's passing averages a game would not be nearly as high if he wasn't turning over the ball so much to begin with. Its partly his own fault.Quote:
Luck is a rookie being asked to throw more than 40 times a game with no running help. mistakes are gonna happen.
Wilson and Griffin have done the same exact thing tho but they're not the two actually putting their teams in those holes which is more impressive.Quote:
it doesnt matter if luck gets into holes when he consistently getting them out. being able to overcome adversity is an excellent trait in a QB.
Luck gets absolutely no sympathy from me with that cupcake pathetic schedule the Colts have had this season. Without the easiest schedule in the league Luck wouldn't even be in contention for OROY.Quote:
too bad he has to play the texans 2 of his last 3 games of the season. this will probably knock him out of the playoffs. meanwhile the skins finish off with the browns, eagles, and cowboys.