Russia invades Ukraine - international tensions abound - Dooch gets the kiss of death

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Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza

The Russians claim to have fired hypersonic missile/rocket. that would be the first documented (?) use of this type of weapon in a war

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I've been following the development of hypersonic rockets for a while and Russia definitely has them and has tested them. If Russia is currently using them then odds are Ukraine is getting missile defense assistance from the US on da low (US isn't going to blatantly say what they're doing). Russia of course has them and if they're using them it's a sign that they're trying to dodge a very advanced missile defense system or flex but that later option is very stupid if that's the case.

3 million refugees have left so far.

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Originally Posted by IrOnMaN

Do you think Russia is hold back? Russia has stockpiles of nuclear weapons, advanced aircraft, etc. It appears if Russia wanted to unleash hell, they could.

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I think they are but only because they went in with the intention of conquering. If they went in to bring US style democracy they would've floored Ukrainian infrastructure. As the Russian's intend to stay the more damage they do means the more they'd have to pay to rebuild it all. Russia is taking heavy losses though but when you have complete control of the media the people in Russia won't question the war for the time being.

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Originally Posted by TSA

I've been following the development of hypersonic rockets for a while and Russia definitely has them and has tested them. If Russia is currently using them then odds are Ukraine is getting missile defense assistance from the US on da low (US isn't going to blatantly say what they're doing). Russia of course has them and if they're using them it's a sign that they're trying to dodge a very advanced missile defense system or flex but that later option is very stupid if that's the case.

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Ukraine has the S-300 missile defense system which is ok but it's obviously Russian so one would expect the Russians would know how to dodge them. I think one European nation handed over there S-300 batteries as well while Greece for example refused to give there's. The US has apparently asked Turkey to give Ukraine the much more sophisticated S-400's but that is never going to happen and would be an incredibly stupid move. The main aim of the US is to give Ukraine non-NATO heavy weapons so Russia doesn't retaliate.

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Originally Posted by HANZO

I think they are but only because they went in with the intention of conquering. If they went in to bring US style democracy they would've floored Ukrainian infrastructure. As the Russian's intend to stay the more damage they do means the more they'd have to pay to rebuild it all. Russia is taking heavy losses though but when you have complete control of the media the people in Russia won't question the war for the time being.

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Ok. Thank you for the information. I know that Russia is the world's leader in teams of nuclear weapons and God knows what else. Crazy to know because countries are treading lightly and trying not to get involved.

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...y=90&strip=all

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I don't think the Russians will seriously engage in the current peace talks until they capture Mariupol and possibly Charkov as well

I didn't know that North Korea has nukes. Pretty pointless for them to have nukes though.

Supposed to be a deterrent I guess.

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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty

I didn't know that North Korea has nukes. Pretty pointless for them to have nukes though.

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They’ve been using nuclear threats as a way to get food from the west for years now plus they aim missiles at Seoul right now but I don’t think they’re going to use the nuclear ones but they’ll still floor Seoul if anything pops off between them.

I sort of get it but its goofy. They have no friends internationally. I think if they tried anything it would be suicidal.

They should just play nice lol.

Nobody really takes them seriously but the pointing of missiles towards Seoul is like the “better be on guard” from the west, that’s why they usually get their food and aid requests plus they have to show out towards the west for their own people but North Korea won’t do anything because even though they would kill thousands possibly millions in Seoul within a day they themselves would get wiped off the map in return.

The other thing with giving aid and food to North Korea is that South Korea could not handle a refugee crisis from the North and that’s where they’d all be going so you can’t starve them out either. If they were located almost anywhere else in the world they’d be another Zimbabwe.

Nukes keep the fat bastard in charge. Foreign forces aren't gonna meddle in North Korea

Some things I'll never understand. Human nature is mystifying.

That family has kept the country flat broke for 70 years, and I know they don't have as powerful propaganda machines as Russia and China do. I guess its just fear.

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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty

I sort of get it but its goofy. They have no friends internationally. I think if they tried anything it would be suicidal.

They should just play nice lol.

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In the last century, it is said that a lot of their money came from giving training or having training camps for Hezbollah, IRA & I believe Libya. They were well connected with all those sort of groups. I believe they still have those connections, but that's not really friends. Even China is sort of supporting them, but not really saying they are best buddies. Some countries are on a more neutral ground with them, and use their people as a cheap workforce. I believe some of them are working in Polish harbours. All for the glory and benefit of their great leader. I wonder if he is still living a lavishly as his dad or granddad.

The other thing is, they got the stuff. But the rockets flunk out a lot. It is not the most trustworthy tech they have. So doing anything would sort of be ridiculous, and the retaliation would be insane. And I think they know that, but their people probably don't. Which brings me to the people. Compared to South Korea, their education level is completely different. As is their way of speaking. Already North Koreans find it difficult to adjust to life in South Korea, and are some times bullied. I don't think South Korea is also ready to take up the couple of million North Koreans to integrate into their society. Which would be a more extreme version of the reunification of East & West Germany, which 30 years on still has its differences.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/stat...79259866394625

A good thread on minority conscript being sent to the frontlines by Russia as cannon fodder.