Well, I know egyptologists who say he did indeed unify them. And the comparison with Egypt was with the other regions of Africa. And yes, they were superior to those culturally and technologically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
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Well, I know egyptologists who say he did indeed unify them. And the comparison with Egypt was with the other regions of Africa. And yes, they were superior to those culturally and technologically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
I never said you could measure based on someone's nationality.
Also, I never had a problem with Kung Fu movies. I grew up on them too. I SAID (please listen/read what I say and not add you own meaning into it) that kung fu movies were popular for the KUNG FU in the mainly, not because the chinese were great film makers. And I never said I didn't enjoy any kung fu movies....in factthe corniness of the movies became part of the cult culture. An example of this is the jokes around dubbing...the funny voices etc. Look at Kung Fu Hustle, kung fool...there's are even send ups of the genre for these. Does that mean I don't like the movies at all? No.
And I know I was influenced by them. Me probably more than most you people on here. I practice Wu Dang Xing Yi Liuhe....I wouldn't be doing that if not for the movies...But I also moved away from the movies alot to documentaries on Shaolin monks etc.
You make here the assumption, that because the movies influenced me, or that I enjoyed them, or that they had sometihng that interested me - that there was no room for improvement.
NO! They did all that despite being cheaply made, often-times corny movies which held something in them (the kung fu, legends etc). Had they been made without bad acting, funny fight scenes, on big budgets, with good character development and stories....they would have been better. In recent times we have seen some movies like this. Crouching Tiger is an example....and while not my favourite kung fu movie, it is an example of the kung fu legend etc still being there with the film making improved.
The name subtle energies has nothing at all to do with kung fu?
And please explain how assuming asians have a huge sex drive coz there is a alot of them does not jump to a huge conclusion? If you read Out of Eden a book on the people of the world it explains many factors such as the plague, and a huge volcanic erruption that happened in south asia that wiped out large populations of other races. Like I said the fact there is alot of Asians is largely due to the fact they had stability in their societies comparitively, and lack of things such as the black plague etc...which wipes out like half a race. It is more to do with luck than sex drive.
And besides following your logic that would mean Africans, who make up about 8% of the planet I think, despite having the most pheremones, would, by your logic have a low sex-drive?
You have overlooked huge macro-environmental factors and jumped to the conclusion that the most prolific multipliers would be so simply because they have the sex drive to do it. Successful reproduction and survival of a race isn't the same as their urge to have sex.
Bruce Lee....Yes, I will give you that. He had a charisma. Like I said though...there would be asians that are just as charismatic...just not as many. I could name another 10 blacks...you would be struggling to name another 2 asians and you know it.
If you pick up the book Destructive Emotions it has scientific research on the personality differences (By the Dalai Lama who is asian). Asians generally are introverted more than westerners and blacks. Many asians also find westerners blunt, loud etc.
AND HOW does asian cinema make asians unintroverted? LMAO....that's like saying white people can all box and Rocky Balbao is the proof.
I think you are have trouble understanding alot of what I say here...and you logic is kinda dodgey...read what I wrote properly...and please reply with things that make sense.
If you are gonna be emotional and defend the point coz you FEEL it is wrong, don't waste my time.
kung fu movie talk...my list
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371
fot those who didnt know about it
peace
no one said anything about ''great film makers''.. and besides what film makers of the 70's-early to mid 80's are you comparing them tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
if they were ''corny'' so is the whole basis of wu tang, because that's where their characters come from [odb, the abbot. etc]Quote:
And I never said I didn't enjoy any kung fu movies....in factthe corniness of the movies became part of the cult culture.
there's nothing ''corny'' about ''8 diagream pole fighter''
that was part of the humor in them.. the only people who think they were ''corny joke'' materiel is corny americansQuote:
An example of this is the jokes around dubbing...
that they were ''often corny'' is a matter of opinion. MOST movies are often cornyQuote:
NO! They did all that despite being cheaply made, often-times corny movies which held something in them (the kung fu, legends etc).
8 diagram pole fighter alone shits on your whole arguementQuote:
Had they been made without bad acting, funny fight scenes,
you're grasping at straws.Quote:
on big budgets, with good character development and stories....
opinionQuote:
they would have been better.
lmaoQuote:
In recent times we have seen some movies like this. Crouching Tiger is an example....
first jackie chan now crouching tiger, this shows you're a novice
compared to what.. you're speaking about movies that were made in the 70's and early 80'sQuote:
and while not my favourite kung fu movie, it is an example of the kung fu legend etc still being there with the film making improved.
grasping at straws
i'm not arguing for any peoples ''sex drive'' i'm stating the obvious which makes your [''scientific''] arguement irrelevant if not ignorantQuote:
And please explain how assuming asians have a huge sex drive coz there is a alot of them does not jump to a huge conclusion?
''luck'' is not a good arguementQuote:
If you read Out of Eden a book on the people of the world it explains many factors such as the plague, and a huge volcanic erruption that happened in south asia that wiped out large populations of other races. Like I said the fact there is alot of Asians is largely due to the fact they had stability in their societies comparitively, and lack of things such as the black plague etc...which wipes out like half a race. It is more to do with luck than sex drive.
and plagues in general were known to all people
not at allQuote:
And besides following your logic that would mean Africans, who make up about 8% of the planet I think, despite having the most pheremones, would, by your logic have a low sex-drive?
again i'm not here to argue for any peoples ''sex drive',' i'm stating the obvious which makes your [''scientific''] arguement irrelevant if not ignorant
Yi wasn't comparing africans and asians, you were. and unless you've lived in several asian societies you're assertions are irrelevant if not ignorantQuote:
Bruce Lee....Yes, I will give you that. He had a charisma. Like I said though...there would be asians that are just as charismatic...just not as many. I could name another 10 blacks...you would be struggling to name another 2 asians and you know it.
first of all many asians are ''black'', and how the word introvert is used in western society carries negative connotations making your ''source'' irrevelant if not ignorantQuote:
If you pick up the book Destructive Emotions it has scientific research on the personality differences (By the Dalai Lama who is asian). Asians generally are introverted more than westerners and blacks. Many asians also find westerners blunt, loud etc.
i don't appreciate the straw man arguement you're giving. i'm saying asian cinema as a product of their culture is full CHARISMA.Quote:
AND HOW does asian cinema make asians unintroverted? LMAO....that's like saying white people can all box and Rocky Balbao is the proof.
charisma
c.1930, from Ger., used by Max Weber (1864-1920) in "Wirtschaft u. Gesellschaft" (1922) for "gift or power of leadership or authority," from Gk. kharisma "favor, divine gift," from kharizesthai "to show favor to," from charis "grace, beauty, kindness," related to chairein "to rejoice at," from PIE base *gher- "to desire, like."
you'd be hard pressesd to show me a western or african film like ''curse of the golden flower''
how is "egypt" superior to those other nations and what are these others nations you're comparing them to? saying "other regions of africa" isn't a nation, country, tribe......Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I say this because I wrote that the day after I went to a lecture with an egyptologist with a PhD, so its not like im pulling this stuff out of my ass. Egypt was a product of being located on the Nile river, one of the most fertile places in Africa, and the main reason why they became culturally and technologically advanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
Other regions? Well, sub saharan Africa, the whole of it, did not approach the civilization of Egypt. Nubia, south of egypt, never approached the height of its northern neighbor.THis could almost be considered common knowledge to anyone who has taken a college level pre Industrial Revolution course.
And I didn't say racially or genetically superior, I said CULTURALLY and TECHNOLOGICALLY superior...which they were.
I never took a college course on this and my World History teacher was trying to give me a slot in the class to lecture on ancient African civilization. KMT always pulled back to their fore bearers the Nubians whenever they got in trouble. The civilization migrated outward from the great lakes region. Since the Hapi was so fertile and life sustaining it's only natural that KMT was so abundant in technology and spirituality. People had time to chart the stars and build great nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I'm practicing an artform that a Shaolin nun created. I could never rob her from the title of Jo Si. With this thread I just want to shine light on the originators of the Martial Arts. Not the originators of every distinct art. Different geographic and cultural features influenced the different arts. I just wanted to show some of the original artifacts. More research must be done, but the story still needs to be told.
LOL...there is no logic in most the points you say. You take what I say and extrapolate it out to suit yourself....eg. the whole 8 diagram pole fighter....
Also, why does knowing Crouching Tiger make me a novice...? I am sure you have seen it.
And I am sure my knowledge of Wu Dang Shan shits on yours, and of martial arts in general.....but I am sorry if I actually liked the real thing as opposed to the movies.
You don't address points you just say things totally unrelated and then say you have disproved what I said LMAO. Example: my scientific argument is invalid because you are "stating the obvious"? LMAO THAT'S GREAT! THAT IS SUCH A CONCLUSIVE REFUTE OF WHAT I SAID.
AND YES we were comparing Africans and Asians...that is precisely how the topic came up.
And luck isn't a good argument? What the fuck logic are you basing that on? If I go and win the lottery and become rich and then two people were to debate over the reason for my wealth and one said "he had the luck of winning the lottery", that would be a bad argument? LOL....
Also, I already addressed the issue of "black asians" in a previous post. And the book also differentiates between asians, asians who are mixed with indigenous populations, mongoloids etc.
Also, are you RETARDED? I said in the post before I wasn't referring to the roots of the word charisma, but it's popular usage and I even proposed the synonym of "personal magnetism" to help you understand in what context I was using it...how hard is it?
And the movie industry (AS I SAID ALREADY) of a culture doesn't tell us much about the people, of course the most charismatic and creative people of any culture will be drawn to the movie industry...and I still don't think asian cinema is the best in the world.
Also, my original point was the correlations of personality types....you seem to be taking it very literally that I some how think no asians have ANY personal magnetism or extroverted characteristics. My point was that biology of races are different. Hence in a cross section of say 10 000 Asians and 10 000 Africans then percentage wise, you could expected a higher number of extroverts, creatives etc from among the Africans. Then reason this is relevant in the discussion of cultures should be self-evident.
Seriously...this is my last post responding to your points unless you start to make sense and discuss it logically rather than refuting what I say with things like "I am stating the obvious so your science is wrong" and "luck isn't a good argument"
I understand that this was not directed at me, but, if I may interject a few things....When you say Africans are more extroverted than Asians...Are we talking Americans? Which Asians are we talking about? Far East? Mid-East?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
I think you make alot of generalizations that may be true even in alot of cases, but unless you prove it scientifically, it really holds no type of usefulness unfortunately.
On the whole 'luck isn't a good argument' note.....Luck or 'location' was the reason certain civilizations flourished. Is location luck??? Or is hitting the lottery location? Being in the right place at the right time. A chance encounter. Just some ramblings.
I know they are generalisation. INFACT, that is exactly what I said they were.
I would be talking about Africans, and those of African origin in America would probably also have been influenced by the culture there as well. Also, I understand some African cultures may cultivate a different culture...but I am talking here of the biological differences. The book I mentioned earlier compared some psychological differences (in scientific studies), and emotional between whites and asians. Why Africans weren't included, I guess it was a limited study.
As to which Asians, it is mainly the Chinese that I am referring to. As I said, alot of asians are mixes of other races. And I definitely would not class Middle Easterners as introverted. Infact, I think Arabs are the most obvious example of a firey, proud, extroverted people. I would think most people would agree with that, but of course there are exceptions, but over all they are that type of people. I think there is more to it than simply culture.
I think biologically we are different. And I think your biology affects the functioning of the mind. Metu Neter mentions studies of the differences in psychology between races I am not sure if it actually lists them in the appendices though.
I have no conrete proof, but there is none to the contrary either. Maybe it is something that SHOULD be openly studied. It could be useful to know the differences...provided people can be objective and recognize differences are not bad.
I am not sure what you mean with the luck bit. But All I meant was that a certain population may be larger due to avoiding natural disasters and plagues etc that wipe out large proportions of their population. I think that is winning the lottery, since they travelled to a location, not knowing that being there may help the avoid such disasters. Also, those around the areas where these happened we unlucky....they couldn't have known their location would cost them.