people who blindly deny conspiracy in america

just being hypothetical.

I understand.

But what I'm saying is that it isn't easy for anyone to start a secret organization and "take over the world".

In fact, I am going to say that it is damn near impossible.

Fuck alex jones, for all we know this guys a cia agent hired to make people even more confused about everything than they already might be, dont follow a man, make ur own interpretations, yea he probably is as bad as bill or reilly and olberman and all them actors being portrayed as fair news anchors.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

I think just the opposites. The people who believe in conspiracy theories tend to be extremely close-minded.

THey only seek information, almost never accurate or verified, and cling to it despite NO real evidence or proof.

They have no interest in truth or fact, but just furthering their agenda or seeking erroneous information that supports beliefs that they cling to against all logic.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Koolish

george bush sr. and the current prime minister of britian have both used the term "new world order" in their speeches.

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New World Order was a term that stems from the end of World War I, used by Woodrow Wilson.
It was meant as a means to spread democracy to the defeated nations of Europe in particular and to allow autonomy, and thus the people would choose democracy and idealistically, that would be the case.

Wilson turned out to be too idealistic, as it did not take nor did his 14 points.

I find it funny how New World Order has become synonomous with this evil secret takeover and that the 'man' will be watching your every move.

Thats ridiculous on so many levels. And in practice, it obviously does not work when you see the shortcoming of Wilsons plan, and recently Bush, Jr.s.


The problem with conspiracy's is that they usually gloss over major details and make outrageous presumtions. Furthermore, the reason they remain conspiracy's is because they lack any evidence to prove they are NOT conspiracy's.

Only an idiot would blindly deny something without knowing the absolute truth. But at the same time only an idiot would blindly accept something as fact without proof.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

You say that people don't believe in America because they are "scared".

It is my opinion that people BELIEVE in conspiracy theories because they are scared and/or unhappy.

It is much scarier to realize that the entire world is made up of fine intricacies and shades of gray. There is no black and white, good and evil. Oftentimes, the answers to the questions of "what to think" and "what is right" are vague and unattainable.

That is something that people have trouble accepting. It is EASIER for them to create fictitious ideas of "right" and "wrong". Rather than accepting the fact that different cultures have different ideals, beliefs and moral codes, they choose to believe that a highly organized and innately sinister group of individuals is responsible for all of the world's evils.

Because they are SCARED to face the reality that the realities of the world have not clear and easy.

It feels safer to believe that evil men create diseases and start wars for personal gain than to acknowledge the complexities of humankind and nature itself.

Which isn't to say that the US government has done no wrong. They have proven capable of such in the past, although in today's society, government secrecy is, for obvious reasons, increasingly difficult.

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this is a good post, but its not just the conspiracy theorists who are the scared ones, because the average person is being bred to be a fearful person with all the overwhelming coverage of terrorism, and crime on the airwaves.

The media are the people who made people scared of jews, blacks, communists etc. these guys fuel every fire, and try to make you see things from their point of view, an example of this, related to my south american overthrowing of governments example, is when hugo chavez was being overthrown and his supporters were shown on a bridge shooting down to the supposedly people filled streets below, while at a different angle the same scene was shown with the streets below being totally empty, they tried to paint hugo chavez as a horrible president, and his supporters as extremists, while chavez was supporting the 80 percent of the population which are the poorer people rather than the 20 percent of the rich people, the 20 percent despised him causing the US to intervene and try to please the major businesses and corporations.

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Originally Posted by Jasjit

this is a good post, but its not just the conspiracy theorists who are the scared ones, because the average person is being bred to be a fearful person with all the overwhelming coverage of terrorism, and crime on the airwaves.

The media are the people who made people scared of jews, blacks, communists etc. these guys fuel every fire, and try to make you see things from their point of view, an example of this, related to my south american overthrowing of governments example, is when hugo chavez was being overthrown and his supporters were shown on a bridge shooting down to the supposedly people filled streets below, while at a different angle the same scene was shown with the streets below being totally empty, they tried to paint hugo chavez as a horrible president, and his supporters as extremists, while chavez was supporting the 80 percent of the population which are the poorer people rather than the 20 percent of the rich people, the 20 percent despised him causing the US to intervene and try to please the major businesses and corporations.

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I agree to an extent. There are scared and, more often, ignorant people on all sides of the spectrum.

I wouldn't respect anyone who blindly trusted every word the government spoke or believed everything he saw on the news.

But the media, in as of itself, is not evil, although people can manipulate the media FOR evil. It is not good either. It essentially exists only to get people to view the different outlet's particular medium.

The media simply wants stories that will attract viewership. If people didn't want to watch sensationalistic stories, media would not show them.

As for Chavez, he is a perfect example of someone manipulating the media to further his own agenda. While I can say that I, personally don't find him to be a "good" guy or agree with his policies, that does not make him "evil".

At least our country has a sensational media that attempts to expose everything our government does.

While it may TRY to cover things up, the very nature of our country allows us to truly have the most transparent government in the history of the world.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

As for Chavez, he is a perfect example of someone manipulating the media to further his own agenda. While I can say that I, personally don't find him to be a "good" guy or agree with his policies, that does not make him "evil".

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are u saying that chavez manipulated the media, or someone did to change peoples viewpoints on him? Chavez actually went on the governmetn channel i think it was and took phone calls from needy citizens, which i think is a reallly really cool thing to do especially if ur in that position of power.

I love how people are so quick to glorify any man who is a antagonist of the U.S. and will make every excuse in the book for them.

Its like they have these strict guidelines for the United States govt.,but they cover their eyes when it comes to other more obviously corrupt nations.

They STILL do that shit with Castro.

YOu can be critical of governments all you want, thats fine, but be fucking consistent. It makes you look like you have an agenda.

BUt than again, most of the time, these people do.

Dan, we don't often agree on things (which I'm fine with) but usually you have very sound reasoning. I gotta say this post is a diversion from that.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

I agree to an extent. There are scared and, more often, ignorant people on all sides of the spectrum.

I wouldn't respect anyone who blindly trusted every word the government spoke or believed everything he saw on the news.

But the media, in as of itself, is not evil, although people can manipulate the media FOR evil. It is not good either. It essentially exists only to get people to view the different outlet's particular medium.
medium only exist for people to watch then? That's the argument I think I'm reading. I would contend that there's no such thing as a medium with no agenda. What that agenda is exactly can definitely be debated and it changes but every one has got something they're trying to sale you be it a product or an idea. So in conclusion to this point media doesn't exist simply to been seen, it exist to sale you on whatever it is that they're pushing.


The media simply wants stories that will attract viewership. If people didn't want to watch sensationalistic stories, media would not show them.
Ok, the post isn't completely devoid of sound reasoning :b But keep in mind that they're attracting viewership to sale commercials first and foremost


As for Chavez, he is a perfect example of someone manipulating the media to further his own agenda. While I can say that I, personally don't find him to be a "good" guy or agree with his policies, that does not make him "evil".
what are his policies you disagree with? The man's not without ego but I do think he's trying to do what's in his own people's best interest. And lets be real, he might be manipulating his own media but its pretty much impossible for him to do that here.



At least our country has a sensational media that attempts to expose everything our government does.
This one had me dying though. There is in no way the national media here is an exposer of anything. Newspapers are our last bastion of true reporting (with some magazines thrown in there) But many of the major newspapers are in serious financial trouble and I fear that most of this country true reporting is going to die with them. If the media really was trying to expose our governments actions though you only have to ask yourself when the last time you saw Noam Chomsky come in for an interview on ANY major media outlet. The Charlie Rose Show is the only time I've EVER seen the guy on TV.

While it may TRY to cover things up, the very nature of our country allows us to truly have the most transparent government in the history of the world.

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You'd have to know what you don't know to truly know just how transparent our government really is. (I realize that's an impossibility)


But then you'd have to acknowledge that you can put the information out there as long as no one actually finds it. They'll burry it underneath a mountain of sensationalistic bullshit so deep that the majority of people will just call you a conspiracy nut by the time you actually find it. ;)

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

I love how people are so quick to glorify any man who is a antagonist of the U.S. and will make every excuse in the book for them.

Its like they have these strict guidelines for the United States govt.,but they cover their eyes when it comes to other more obviously corrupt nations.

They STILL do that shit with Castro.

YOu can be critical of governments all you want, thats fine, but be fucking consistent. It makes you look like you have an agenda.

BUt than again, most of the time, these people do.

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c'mon everyone has an agenda. It's futile to even try to deny that.

Just like our media makes it a point to bash the leader of any nation that doesn't fall in line with US foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

I love how people are so quick to glorify any man who is a antagonist of the U.S. and will make every excuse in the book for them.

Its like they have these strict guidelines for the United States govt.,but they cover their eyes when it comes to other more obviously corrupt nations.

They STILL do that shit with Castro.

YOu can be critical of governments all you want, thats fine, but be fucking consistent. It makes you look like you have an agenda.

BUt than again, most of the time, these people do.

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this is why i feel immortal technique is a shit rapper.

he's talking about the US government being bad with a soviet sickle and hammer on his album cover.

and all he has is politics so that's what he'll get judged on.
dude is a shit rapper.

It's amusing, because once again, i was talking about things of this nature with my brother, and he brought up that Gordon Brown had said 'New World Order' in a recent speech and that it would be amusing to see the inevitable reaction of conspiracy theorists.

As Nicky said, it is pretty weird to see people becoming excited every time a nation's leader uses such a phrase.

Conspiracy theorists merely tap into the fact that politicians will recycle phrases like that, and extrapolate it out to have some greater, ominous meaning. It's so transparent, and basically outlines why anyone going along with that shit is just gullible in essence.

Conspiracy theories target the uneducated and gullible portion of society. I've read a lot of the 'literature' from sites such a Prison Planet, and on the surface it is extremely persuasive and apparently well supported by evidence. But you merely have to scratched beneath the surface to begin to realise the ridiculousness of the claims and the clear motives behind what is being communicated.

Nicky and Dan make good points.

I also acknowledge DirtMcGirt's point about Jones not having the same level of exposure.

However, at least he is bound by some journalistic boundaries, albeit very broad ones.

I dont fuckin get how so many people can see the fuckin towers fall at a second slower than freefall speed and not think that controled demolition was used. Pancakeing floors, give me a fuckin break that shits cartoon physics. Like when a cartoon character is inside a building and they fall through a floor than they hit the next floor stop then go through that floor and so on and so on. Until they reach the bottom of the building and end up in the damn ground. Real life dont work like that, energy will be used and depleted with every floor that is hit, slowing the object down with every impact. So how are the towers falling at near free fall speed and not being slowed by each consecutive floor? Either the buildings were diesigned to collapse like that or demolition charges and shit like nano-thermite was used. Which by the way nano-thermite residue has been found in the dust from the collapses. plus there is building 7 no planes hit it, all it had was small fires, it falls at like 5 something that afternoon. The official explanation is just that fire caused it, they dont know how it just did. All the proof anyone should need is right in front of your face.

I dont know how to inbed video but here is a link to a vid from a Danish tv show interviewing a scientist about the nano-thermite. http://www.infowars.com/danish-scien...11-not-planes/

Its pretty much just the USA that dont get this info other countries actually have open dialogue about the bullshit 9-11 conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by TSA

this is why i feel immortal technique is a shit rapper.

he's talking about the US government being bad with a soviet sickle and hammer on his album cover.

and all he has is politics so that's what he'll get judged on.
dude is a shit rapper.

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good shit, I agree 100%

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