to be a patriot is to be an idiot?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad

Does "loving" your country mean you can't "criticize" the actions of the government...especially when they're wrong?

If I'm abducted by someone, and put in the back seat of the car...of course I don't want to be "abducted", but if my abductor is driving recklessly...I have a stake in speaking out against it...for his sake and mine.

Some of the GREATEST patriots of this nation were those who went against the "status quo", and condemned the government when its actions were unethical.

"Patriotism" is being used, these days, to bully people into submission to the status quo set up by those who want nothing but more and more power, with less and less accountability.

A True Patriot seeks what is best for the country and every single citizen. A FALSE patriot is one who seeks his own personal or political agenda, and uses "patriotism" to get everybody else to go along with it.

If you LOVE your country, don't be afraid to speak out against it when it is in error.

RM

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Peace.

It's a shame how americans know very little about their countries history and how it actually developed into the united states of america. It's a shame how americans don't know how this countries fore-fathers actually thought or their way of thinking.

The fore-fathers of america were exactly like the people american's now call terrorist.

It's crazy hearing 'americans' today talk about patriotism but there's nothing they do that actually shows they function as a patriot....at least not like the fore-fathers of this country did.

Patriots today follow what their governments says, while the patriots the established this country spoke out against the governement.

"Give me liberty or give me death"

What americans are willing to stand on this truth?

Freedom or death.....now that's revolutionary talk that's the talk of america's fore-fathers.

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Originally Posted by unequivocallycorrect

yes.

If you are not willing to defend, support, contribute how can you expect to live their? Seriously? People fight to live in certain parts of the world. It is an expectation all citizens of the world must take up.

colored......

why should a citizen of any country simply defend support or contribute to thier country just because they live there? To do all of the above a person must be in agreement with those ideas. In the country that i live in they brag about how 'free' they are or the freedom that exist here. Freedom....the country i live in one of the fore fathers said give me liberty or give me death. I wonder if that man would say the same thing in 2009?

why should any of the indigenous people of america defend support and contribute to this country?

if your country was under attack and you could, but didn't take up arms. Think about it. Benefit without risk is for moochers.


Its not about "doing what bush says". It's about "taking proper action when your nation needs guidance". That's patriotism.

patriots will take action for what they think is best. That's why everyone should be one. The week should be cast out.

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patriots take action for what they think is best (not what you think is best) and in your above statements you're already trying to define "what best for them" instead of them doing it for their own self.

Sometimes taking up arms and fighting with your country when attacked isn't always the best thing to do for the people. If that was the case there would be no united states of america.

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

the history of your country can determine how your neighbors view you - and treat you -

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Correct, however how other people treat you should not weight on your patriotism. Otherwise it sounds like you want a perfect world. (Laughable)

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

with no nation or country to call your own how much of a patriot can you be -

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Correct again but, I was explaining to Abanks how a "selfish" person is a patriot to no country because he has isolated himself in a place that "doesn't trust him" (or that's just what he thinks - the truth is another matter)

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so patriotism is fighting and dieing for your neighbors now?

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YES! When your neighborhood is under attack and you wont fight. you are not patriotic your selfish. When some punk kids start breaking windows you organize a night-watch. THATS Patriotic. When its time to vote for someone who YOU THINK WILL BE BEST. THATS Patriotic

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

my neighbors don't speak the same language as me - different culture - they were taught that black skin is from the devil - when one of them has a child who is to them "too dark" it's looked down on in their community - till this day - in america, i'm a foreigner

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FACT: "you feel like a foreigner". Maybe you should move where "you dont feel like a foreigner." THAT IS THE BASE OF MY ARGUMENT. My POSTS are meant to HELP non-patriots find a place they ARE willing to support. Otherwise they will remain upset about the situation/country/neighborhood they are in. (No one should be so upset. They cannot find a common support)

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Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG

There are many ethnic groups that live in Russia that don't necessarily subscribe to the country. Where they live they don't need to worry about many threats.

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I haven't heard of this group, and I couldn't google it. Got a link or a name or something?

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Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG

However in some parts of southeast asia, the national boarders are quite different than the ones drawn on even the most updated world maps. Some of the villages that reside between 2 powers pay taxes to both and have more protection.

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Aside from the first quote (which I would like to investigate). The notion "Some of the villages that reside between 2 powers pay taxes to both" shows that EVERYONE on this planet needs to "pay" for the land they live on in one way or another.

Conclusion: If you "pay to stay" and your not patriotic. Go fucking find a new home. (you will be happier, your old country will be happier, your new country will be happier) Or non-patriots can cry cry cry because the country they ARN'T WILLING TO FIX "its not perfict! Humph!"

Get a BIG box of tissues because you have a long time ahead of you in a country you don't like.

christ what a tool ^^^

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I haven't heard of this group, and I couldn't google it. Got a link or a name or something?

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There are many groups. Although 80% of Russia claim Russian identity, most places that are sparsely settled in the central and Siberian regions. You could call them many ""indigenous" groups, however because of how isolated they are in the landmass that Russia claims, they haven't been forcedly assimilated into the culture like North America. There are a few larger groups like the Buryats that enjoy some degree of political autonomy.

I dont know how patriotic each of these ethnic groups are towards Russia. Some might be and some have history like the Buryats of being "rebels". You can also google the Evenkis.

I dont want to get into distingishing "patriot" and "rebel" though since they can be similar and different.


I cant find an internet source as I read mostly in books one source: Diversity Amid Globalization: Wolrd Regions, Environment, Development pages 396-398 ISBN: 0-13-133046-2

You can also check out:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/513251/Russia rather than wiki.

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Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect

I will insult a country when it deserves insulting. I think every country has room for criticism. Is there point to your post?

Oh ya i almost forgot. You wanted a guy to suck a dick.....(fag)

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I'd rather stay here and piss off retards like you. and shit on your flag

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Originally Posted by theheavens

I'd rather stay here and piss off retards like you. and shit on your flag

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You wish you could piss me off. I wouldn't mind taking a shit on Americas flag either. I would shit all over "America's history symbolized in a single flag". Cause I Shit on things that deserve it(your posts)

Its a flag so fucking what, burn, bury it, chop it up and serve it for breakfast. I don't give a fuck. (The flag is just a flag and it is only symbolic to an "the individual" after they determined so.)

glad we have something in common: shitting on this country's flag

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Originally Posted by Black Man

patriots take action for what they think is best (not what you think is best) and in your above statements you're already trying to define "what best for them" instead of them doing it for their own self.

Sometimes taking up arms and fighting with your country when attacked isn't always the best thing to do for the people. If that was the case there would be no united states of america.

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I use the terms "support" and "defend" very vaguely on purpose.
1. Your right about taking up arms. I did and do agree.
2. I honestly don't care if my theory supports the creation of America because its a theory about "how people should act" NOT a theory of "how to make another America"

95% of these posters think a patriot does the following....
Does whatever the President Says
Does whatever the constitution Says
Supports the history of a country
Fights in every war
Loves ALL their neighbors

95% of these posters FAIL TO REALIZE a patriot does the following....
Does what he/she thinks is best for their extended neighbors
Supports his/her extended neighbors despite historical issues
Fights in the war THEY BELIEVE is best for their extended neighbors
Loves most of their extended neighbors

95% of these posters FAIL TO REALIZE they are patriotic. Because they are happy enough, do support their neighbors and would honestly fight if a russan tank rolled through their streets

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glad we have something in common: shitting on this country's flag

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Word.

But, you do realize your dislike for your countries faults is VERY PATRIOTIC OF YOU.

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Originally Posted by abanks47

Bla bla Bla Native American... Bla bla bla Impoverished blacks.. bla bla bla Chinese rail road workers. Cry cry cry

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Dictionary.com : "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."

his or her country

How the fuck did you manage to find KTL? I'm impressed.

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Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect

Dictionary.com : "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."

his or her country

How the fuck did you manage to find KTL? I'm impressed.

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Well than America will be a lonely place because I do not think many fall under the dictionary.com definition of a patriot. I guess I can move to canada er something, because we should all leave right?

Devotion (Dictionary.com):
1. profound dedication; consecration.
2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
3. an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one's wealth and time to scientific advancement.
4. Often, devotions. Ecclesiastical. religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.

I have a problem with the devotion aspect. A profound dedication to anything seems a bit dangerous and stupid in my opinion. Take it as you will, insult me afterwards but thats just me.

Wait, this is KTL, I fuckin just stumbled out of a box and started typing sorry about that. no but seriously why the fuck even make that comment, makes no sense what so ever.

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Well than America will be a lonely place because I do not think many fall under the dictionary.com definition of a patriot. I guess I can move to canada er something, because we should all leave right?

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I'm saying "Move where ever the fuck you WANT to live." Jesus I'm becoming the fucking tony robbins of this thread just trying to break it down for the simple folk.

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Originally Posted by abanks47

Devotion (Dictionary.com):
1. profound dedication; consecration.
2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
3. an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one's wealth and time to scientific advancement.
4. Often, devotions. Ecclesiastical. religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.

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This is exactly the problem. Your short-sightedness has taking definitions literally to the word. And you don't see anything wrong with this? I do, Its very narrow minded.

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Wait, this is KTL, I fuckin just stumbled out of a box and started typing sorry about that. no but seriously why the fuck even make that comment, makes no sense what so ever.

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Dont say "i think a slave is patriotic cuz they built the country" when EVERYONE and their grandma knows a patriot must be a citizen first. Sure a slave, can ACT patriotic - but why the fuck are you even talking about slaves. I just dont like re-posting the same definition because you want to talk about slaves.

If I have to keep re-posting definitions, you will keep surprising me with your ability to remember a username and password. THATS why I made that comment

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Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect

I'm saying "Move where ever the fuck you WANT to live." Jesus I'm becoming the fucking tony robbins of this thread just trying to break it down for the simple folk.



This is exactly the problem. Your short-sightedness has taking definitions literally to the word. And you don't see anything wrong with this? I do, Its very narrow minded.

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I think its very unfair of you, someone who is in no position to state who and who isn't a patriot to go on ahead and state that someone cannot be a patriot because there not a citizen. Whether it be a slave or an immigrant. The definition that you posted O so many times says nothing about a persons citizenship, thats some shit that you just pulled out of your fucking ass, You say everyone knows this but I didn't and no one else mentioned it in this thread but you. I want to live in America but I don't think it's necessary to be a patriot in order for it to run successfully and efficiently. and forgive me for taking definitions literally. I thought that definitions of words, were word's defining points, broken down so that we could understand what a word meant. Meh I could be wrong, I seemed to have been wrong all the other times I posted.

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Dont say "i think a slave is patriotic cuz they built the country" when EVERYONE and their grandma knows a patriot must be a citizen first. Sure a slave, can ACT patriotic - but why the fuck are you even talking about slaves. I just dont like re-posting the same definition because you want to talk about slaves.

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I'll say whatever the fuck I want, because I live in America, land of the free. that also means if i choose to not be a flag waving patriot that I can still live here and have the same rights you do.

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