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Punk and Metal sucks cock anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Paranoid
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Originally Posted by infinite vagina
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Originally Posted by Energy Turtle
whoever voted 70s and 90s should be shot.
what's so good about 90's?
I'm pretty sure this is the first time that we've ever interacted, Jasper.
I think the 90s were great because it was no longer the 80s
Art just has bad memories from getting swirlie's in school during the 80's, but this is about music.
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Originally Posted by Paranoid
80's was great because of analogue synths and other technology. Granted, a lot of good bands from the 60's 70's made their worst records in the 80's when they went synth. 90's sucks cause it was dominated with shitty grunge, metal, euro dance / house and of course boy/girl bands like Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls. Yeah, some good hip hop came from the 90's, but good hip hop from the 90's is mostly sample based on music from the 70's. So can't really count that. Also, the music quality was pretty bad in the 90's because of digitalisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
The 2000s gets too much flack. Sure, the mainstream scene might suck but there are TONS of great artists in the underground.
Underground music is always good, regardless of what era it came from.
50s
90's grunge like nirvana, mudhoney, and love battery were goodQuote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
90's corporate grunge bands like soundgarden, stone temple pilots, and alice in chains sucked
also 90's had good post-hardcore bands like shellac, unwound, and drive like jehu
btw 60's psychedelic > 70's punk > 80's alternative > 90's grunge
70's was the best overall decade though
Isn't most music based on older music? Not just 90s hip hop.
Yeah definitely 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by infinite vagina
All music is based on older music. Even Beethoven is based on older music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
So why dismiss 90s hip hop?Quote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
Because sampling isn't the same as 'based on'. Looping 8 bars of a 70's soul b side and slapping some, also sampled, drums on them isn't based on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
hip hop was influenced by disco, the shittiest genre of all time
but a good thing about hip hop is that it killed disco
also hippies made better music about drugs than rappers
every hip hop song about drugs sounds the same
there's variety in psychedelic music made by hippies
Yes it is. The production isn't the same, vocal styles, lyrics etc but a song might contain a few seconds of an old record.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
How can new music be old music? The technique is different but its the same 'stealing' that always happens in art.
Also whats wrong with disco infinite?
all disco songs sound the same just like hip hopQuote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
nonetheless i like cristina
I used to think the 80s were crap. As far as Soul music goes for the biggest part I would agree. Like someone already said the synths were great in the 80s. In fact I think some of the best synth sounds came from the 80s. Most of the discofunk 80s records sound boring to me. 80s provided some amazing music, but the big artists at that time released some of their worst work in the 80s. I think that's the reason why so many criticize the 80s.
You can't really say what the worst decade is for music. It all comes down to opinion. As long as there is people doing music, music will never die. For instance late 80s and the 90s was horrible for people who listened to r&b before these years. Hiphop was great in the 90s and there is people criticizing it after 2000. But the alternative rockscene is in full affect and there is still good records out there. In the 70s people were complaining that the instruments played a bigger part than in the 50s and 60s. Even though the music was way more advanced. Some of my favorite soul records were released in the 70s (not taking anything away from the 60s, cause some of my favorite soul records are also from the 60s). Music is evolving, it does not stand still and I guess people just don't like changes.
My conclusion: people will complain every decade about what was so great about the previous one. You can't really say there is a worst decade in music. Music is forever.
Imagine Mona Lisa, the painting, being sprayed over with graffiti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
Now imagine someone painting something that looks kind of like the Mona Lisa.
It's not the same. When you're listening to a 90's hip hop song, you're still listening to that that 70's soul song, or rather part of that song.
There is a difference.
Yeah its a different technique. I understand you look down on sampling, and maybe you have a point about if we're talking about a puffy production. But most producers (certainly the ones i like) didn't do straight loops and had a lot of creative merit. Look at RZA, Pete Rock, Dr Dre, Bomb Squad, Dilla etc. Its not like they're stuck in the past, they used it as a jumping off point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
Anyway i enjoyed a lot of the 90s songs better than the songs they sampled, so why should i be concerned with giving credit to artists from the 70s?
Besides lol, by definition music made in the 90s was made in the 90s. Maybe Led Zeppelin records should be acknowledged as music from the 40s?
Co-sign everything in this post. I can not understand why you would look at hiphop like that. Even looping requires a lot of technique at times. There are so many tracks where I absolutely hate the sample, even the part that has been sampled but when it was flipped it sounded so much better. Ofcourse respect goes out to the samplers, but don't act like making a beat is not a creative process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
Funny thing is Jasper makes beats, hes got some kind of chip on his shoulder. a dick shaped chip, probably.
Actually all those producers you listed used straight loops. I don't even look down on sampling, it's cool and it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
All I was saying in the original post a page or two back is that I don't see music sampling songs from the 70's as typical 90's music. It's still very 70's except for the angry black men talking fast over it.
Also, I don't make beats.
You used to make beats.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
Mostly those producers combined samples and flipped them, they had loops on top of loops, or they'd replay them. Theres a few RZA tracks that were straight loops but usually it was a bunch of samples plus played parts added.
Saying 'angry black men talking fast over it', i find a little offensive. I don't think you understand the appeal of hip hop at all.
it takes more talent to play instruments thus why hip hop is below classic music, jazz, and rock
i rather read a poem by oscar wilde or james joyce instead of hearing rappers and it's almost the same thing except poets are better than rappers
rap stands for retards attempting poetry after all
This is not true. RZA did use loops mostly yes, but listen to GZA's Gold original sample and try to figure out how he did that. That's not a straight loop. There is a difference. Dr. Dre has a good ear, he's telling musicians what they should play at what moment and that requires talent. Pete Rock has loops, but a lot of chopped up beats as well. Most of Dilla's are not loops. People go to whosampled they listen to it and they think it's a loop, it's not. Why do you think that the same producers who sampled exactly the same piece made a beat that's way worse. If I would try to sample things these guys already did I would fail miserably. So many techniques are used for looping, you can chop a beat up in 16 pieces and then still loop it so it sounds slightly different. 99% of Pete and Dilla's drums and basslines are chops and not loops. Are you only listening to the sample? Most of the 90s beats have filtered basslines from the orginal sample. A lot of the drums are drumbreak loops (RZA did this, but he did layer them with 2 more breaks sometimes). Pete Rock I respect cause he listens to different samples, uses a trumpet from one sample, a bassline from another sample and some shakers he plays himself or a musician and makes it sound like it's original.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASPER
Listen to this
You were talking about loops. Literally everything in this beat is chopped up.
Sampling is a form of art, it's still not appreciated. All the musicians who don't sample, borrowed it from others to begin with. It's all the same. Their music comes from combining everything they heard and liked in the past and using that knowledge to make their own music. How is sampling any different? Who would give a fuck about Horizon Drive's 0.2 second music? Premier made it happen with Mass Appeal. No disrespect to the original, but Premier used it as a theme of the track. In the original it was the not even one second sound. The track would sound almost exactly the same without it. Just respect the originals and don't forget to give credits to the beatmakers either.
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Originally Posted by infinite vagina
It takes more skill to play an instrument than make beats? Possibly, but they both take a long time to get to a professional standard. Plus its a matter of art vs craft. Being an excellent instrument player doesn't necessarily make you an excellent musician let alone artist. I'd take a real artist over somebody great at their craft anyday.
Also you're assuming that poetry and rap are the same form, they aren't. When i want to listen to music, why the fuck would i read a poem? The rap is equal parts the words and the vocal, possibly more vocal.
Plus rap lyrics are generally more interesting than other genres imo.
I used to make beats, so I know. All those producers have used loops. I'm not saying they never chop though. So let's look at some beats of the producers you listed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
One of RZA's best beats if you ask me.
A classic Dr. Dre beat
Pete Rock
Loops.
Again, I'm not saying they never chop, but the most memorable beats are straight loops.
This is drifting too far from my original point though. Looped 70's/60's songs isn't decade defining. It doesn't say anything about 90's music. Except for the retards attempting poetry.
I'm not even disagreeing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFunkyDrummer
I make beats and i've pretty much stopped using samples. Its too hard for me to do it well, find a horn sample that goes with this bass etc. Records like Fear of a black planet and mecca and the soul brother seem like they would be a pain in the ass to compose when you compare it with how easy it is to just jam and pick out the best parts.
I still thinks its comparable to Elvis taking 50s rock and roll styles and changing their sound. Or house music channeling disco, Modern indie rock aping new wave etc.
But i can see your point in certain cases when its wack hip hop lol.
I get what you mean. I had this problem in the beginning as well. It was fun to sample things, but as I went on I realized I had to think more as a musician and that's extremely difficult. Like you said sample should fit with the drums and the bass and it should have some variation. I did not even bother until my friends put me onto records I was not familiar with. I tried to look at what my favorite producers did, check out the records (and similar ones) that they sampled. I'm not saying I'm a good beatmaker, but I do feel satisfaction when I'm done making a beat. It's frustrating when you have things in your head about how it should sound and it doesn't sound the same or close to it. I do know a lot more records and I hear more sounds cause I guess my ear got trained as I listened to more and more music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
Just curious. Why don't you try sampling again, if you want to, it should be possible. It does't have to be natural, check YouTube tutorials, your favorite producers, try to flip tracks they did in another way. I used to sample stuff Madlib did and think what would I do if I were Madlib. I do think I have my own style of making beat, but I'm a amateur. As long as it's fun for me to do it, I'll go on. Where can I check out some of your stuff?
Check the audio booth, theres stuff in there it might be a few pages back. And i use samples occasionally but not like i used to.
I probably could get good at using a bunch of samples to make one beat but i'm more going for an electronic r&b sound now.
Making musics a lot of fun ain't it?
a lot of musicians who play their instruments in the new york city subway stations could probably be better artists than even the best rappers if they were willing to put the same amount of effort in getting themselves out there or with whatever connections as them but this is the 21st century so realistically only flocks of dumb people will make shitty rappers famous by buying their shit while the ones with actual talent are ignoredQuote:
Originally Posted by Sosa
But if you're motivated and good at self promotion (and if you're at least moderately talented) you should make it.
Homeless people could be better artists than the best rappers? Everything could be. Personally i love hip hop.
So now that we are in to the 2020’s will anyone change their vote to the 2010’s?
I didn’t listen to much music from the 2010’s so I am sticking with the 1980’s that shit sucked and will always suck. A lot of the great bands of the 1970’s put out their worst albums in the 1980’s.
It’s a shame that sean michael doesn’t post here because his comments on the 1950’s are way off and there’s a lot of great jazz and blues music from that decade and saying that’s all there is in the 1950’s doesn’t dismiss how great it was, 50’s Miles > electric miles, fight me. That’s a really odd take by someone that’s on point 9/10 times, music hadn’t yet evolved in the 50’s like it had in the 60’s and beyond and the concept of recording long play albums wasn’t even as prevalent as it would go on to be, the 50’s decimates the 80’s and beyond.
The 90s is pretty unremarkable for me besides hip hop, I never cared for grunge, punk or pop so besides the rap stuff I rarely listen to that decade besides a few Australian albums and nostalgia songs, it’s not the worst decade but it’s low on my favourite lists.
I love me some 80s cheese. Calvin knows what I'm talmbout.
Best decade : 70s
Honestly, I dig all decades. I listen to stuff from the 40s and even 30s (Al Jolson etc) too.
I don't hate the 2010s but a lot of stuff passes me by. As I get older it's easier to sort through old stuff at leisure than to keep up with new stuff.
Good thread.