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chemicals in your brain along with electricity and other physical properties are responsible for the foundation of the thoughts, but i mean the actual 'thought' that you are thinking of has no physical property.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
although the energy produced to be capable of having a thought is physical.
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Originally Posted by Thrilla24x7
with that said - what is a thought made out of ?
the transfer of thought is a very physical thing
thought itself - what is it ?
having thought a thought, what happens to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
do thoughts die or do they hang around?
If they hang around what's the residue of 6 billion people thinking a million different things become?
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Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
lol - you're hurting my head
hahaha, maybe but I feel they're legitimate questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
i don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
can you have a thought without inwardly talking ?
i don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
can light and sound be destroyed ?
it becomes the foundation of the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
now take that foundation and imagine it to be the same kinda force that's inhabited on every planet that can sustain life like earth does and imagine the foundation to not be a foundation at all but rather a brick that's a part of something unimaginably massive. (what you'd have was the collective conscience of the entire Universe)Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Wouldn't whatever that was be something amazing?
Keep in mind that under syncronistic theory thoughts do not follow the law of standard physics and that distance appears largely irrelevant.
i don't understand
even an idea is physical
as I see it, physical properties does not necessarily mean thoughts follow the properties of physics (atleast not as our current level of understanding would have it)Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Scientific discoveries that happen at virtually the same time but happen independent of each other and half way across the globe.
You think of someone and as soon as you do they're calling you on the phone.
None of it is concretly proven but there's theory as to there being something up with those moments that are so coincedental that they seem to break the boundaries of probability.
google synchronisity (sp?) to read more about that particular aspect.
good build
i say that thoughts are alive
maybe even the purest form of life
maybe they don't die
if its not physical, what else can it possibly be ?
thats the question,thats is the question of wheter God existQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
if its not physical, how can it be defined. Everything we know has a definition, the definition is a product of any given matter and a given time.
How do you define something without any boundries or parameters?
Yes. First I thought you where that yourself. But he's gonna help me or whoever.
better question is why would any one think that something like that even exist ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrilla24x7
what doesn't have boundaries and parameters ?
consciousness
will
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Wow...didn't expect to see MY POST here...
http://reubenmuhammad.blogspot.com/2...god-exist.html
...but hey...I'm glad somebody thought it was "discussion worthy"... (smile)
Salaam.
RM
it manifest itself as actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
when anything dies, it breaks apart and everything that it was made up of, goes back to where it came from - what is thought made of ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
i say light and sound is the foundation - but yes theres more to it - thought is manifesting itself in these words we are typing....
possibly a hurricane - ,erupting volcano,rain, hail, snow and earthquakes - group thought ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
people - in general - are moving up to a higher vibration - some faster than others - thats inevitable
but yes - a supreme being does exist
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Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Salaam - and please add on further
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif
better question is why would any one think that something like that even exist ?
what doesn't have boundaries and parameters ?
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Originally Posted by Lucid
deep - what you mean though ?
consciousness in it's purest form is simply being conscious of being conscious
no objects or thoughts therein
not even the thought "I am conscious"
one without another....
the potential to will is infinite - what wills you to will? It originates from an immaterial source.
positive vs negative
yin vs yang
objective vs subjective
matter/energy vs consciousness/will
material vs immaterial....
when we know something but it's "on the tip of our tongue" and we cannot manifest it, where did it go?
it is said we are born with infinite knowledge, the capacity to solve any problem - it just takes our self to in-form it. what do you call that infinite source of knowledge with no form?
and why is it that only when we empty our thoughts is that manifestation most successful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid
this shows that thoughts enter our sphere of awareness independently to our will.
how do you define what caused that thought to form itself within you?
OOH PRAISE THE LAWD I FOUND JESUS!! goodnight!
this immaterial source exist - right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid
if its not material, what is it ?
when you say that they are successful, what do you mean ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid
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Originally Posted by Lucid
yes - light and sound enters our sphere independently to our will
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Originally Posted by Lucid
what happens when someone makes you think - its simpler than we make it
God.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Paramters are objects that operate under a function of time, And time doesnt exist for things that dont have location.
good questionQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
all the laws governing the universe?
god?
one seems to have that thought they were searching for come back to them when they stop trying to think so hard about itQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
certainlyQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
is something molding that light and sound into a thought independent to us tho? in the cases that we do not turn it into a thought ourselves.
I'm not sure, another good question...Quote:
what happens when someone makes you think - its simpler than we make it
Any ideas? I'll have to think about it :i
You can't have a consciousness without a body. That's fantastic.
I have no problem with unknown types of energies being manipulated by aliens or such and called gods, but you can't just have energy. Psychic powers? sure with a pinch of salt. Omniscient inter dimensional entities? why not. But energy in its lonesome going around fucking things up? Thoughts impregnating mary?
NOOOOOO
if there was some form of energy floating around messing things up, wouldn't itstill be considered physical ?
can you expand on this a little more?Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
makes you think in what context...verbal communication? a gesture? over the internet?
does the same thing happen in each instance?
and then again I'm not certain another person has the innate ability to make me think.
although it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to think something is going on (being transferred?) between the two persons in any case
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7EL7
He exists.
He's always existed and when all of us, believers and non-believers are dust and bones, when the Earth is old and dead, He'll still be around.
Yes, it's true, He created war, plague, famine, evil, etc. All things came from Him. What a lot of people forget, either by choice or just flat stupidity, is that these things were created to test us. To see who among us is best in conduct.
It's about balance. Never be peaceful to the point that you take everyone's shit all the time. Never be so ready to kill that no one ever wants to be around you. Know when it's time to be patient and forgive and know when it's time NOT to. Let's not forget, Moses (peace be upon him) had to lullaby an Egyptian in his early days.
God's existence doesn't depend on wether we believe He exists or not. In no way is He dependent upon His Own creation. Another thing that people choose to forget quite frequently, is that, even though He is Most Merciful and patient with mankind, we need Him, He doesn't need us. One of my favorite verses in The Qur'an reads, "Has man not seen that we have created him from a drop of seed? Yet lo! He is an open opponent!" It's like God is saying, "You little motherfuckers have a LOT of nerve!"
If one chooses to ignore the soul's own testimony, that's one thing, but anytime you ignore the world around you, the cycle of seasons, the orbits of the heavenly bodies, then you're waiting for a sign so obvious, so devastating, so clear that a blind man can see it and so loud that a deaf man can hear it. You're waiting for the worst sign of them all.
That's peace though. Know why? Because I'm waiting for the very same sign. So wait. I'll wait with you. Then we'll see who was right and who was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
I guess your thoughts are committed to memory to a certain extent.
It's tough for me to think about this high.
I'm trying hard to remember some first year Psychology, and can't.
Maybe an even better question would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
What does have boundaries and parameters?
And why?
This is a line used by a lot of religious people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz
But really, it doesn't matter "who was right or wrong".
People who believe in religion have followed an illogical thought process to arrive at an illogical and purely intuitive conclusion.
If they applied this to all aspects of their lives, they would most likely suffer greatly.
Whether or not they are proved right (a notion which i have trouble even typing due to it's preposterous nature) they have still applied a flawed form of logic to only one aspect of their thought process.
Which is, weird.
My thoughts on the thread - the onus is on anyone who believes in god to explain why and prove that god does exist.
I have no concept of a god.
There is no reason to. Not one.
This requires no explanation.
Believing in god, however, does i feel.
^^^That line is recited in The Qur'an many times, so whoever uses it, is indeed speaking Truth. Since you have no concept of God, you have no idea how people who fully live the lessons of their religion would live. You say they would, "probably suffer...." either because you've never observed diligent practitioners, you've never read The Scriptures, or, most likely, BOTH. You're on the outside looking in and trying to tell the people inside what the temperature is.
Quite common for someone of your position.
It matters entirely who's right and who's wrong, just the same way it does in this laughing stock of a justice system, or in a lie detector test. The fact that you, or anyone else doesn't believe it makes all of no difference. Again, we need Him, He doesn't need us.
If you have no concept of God, then that sounds like a personal problem of great magnitude, but of little surprise, considering the current state of the world we live in and the spiritual weakness of most people in it. Still, as they say, seek and ye shall find. So clearly, you haven't sought and that's why you lack this conception. Either that, or you just choose not to have it, which is the impression I'm getting.
Either or, it doesn't matter. It doesn't change anything.
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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
some religions, not all.
for the record, logical does not always = correct.
atheists don't suffer greatly? I don't see them as a whole living any happier than religious folk, and I know both.Quote:
If they applied this to all aspects of their lives, they would most likely suffer greatly.
I apply my "religion" or understanding of god to every aspect of my life. It is incorporated into every thought, emotion, and action. And I can tell you straight up I haven't so much as felt anger, or have been stressed out over anything in over a year. Not a single time. And I need very little to keep me happy.
Does it sound like I suffer greatly to you?
God exists, whether god is a man, force, soul or wutever, get ur own interpretation of god and believe in it this explanation i typed sucks, if i could talk to u guys it would be better understood, anyways i believe god exists and i believe in god.
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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz
You both greatly misunderstood that sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid
If you applied such flawed logic (ie. believing in something with no logical or factual basis, and acting upon this) it would most like play havoc with your lives).
Explain to me how this is not true?
Logic does not always = correct.
But it the only reasonable way to approach anything.
Present a credible alternative...
A concept of god is purely manufactured.
Implying that i am somehow in the wrong for not contemplating such a manufactured concept is ludicrous.
You believe in something with no basis. No factual or logical basis.
And i am somehow in the wrong because i have no concept of this?
Explain what you mean.
Religion and the following of it is spiritual weakness in its essence.
if you define religion by what you see most of the major religions practicing - believing in a mystery god in the sky, jesus is coming, ect, then yes I would agree with you.
correction: the concept that YOU know of god is purely manufactured.
this is where logical not equaling correct comes into play - when you use logic based on a false pretense, the answer will not always come out correct.
the false pretense being you only knowing one concept of god, and thus claiming god concepts are illogical and wrong.
personally I don't believe in anything with no factual or logical basis.
The only flawed logic, is when someone clearly takes the side of what thier five senses can pick up as a determining factor between truth and falsehood. Meanwhile, even in using such faculties, they still misuse what they have, therefor misinterpreting what they experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Logic always equals truth. The two can't be seperated. What you mean, is that truth doesn't always = what people want to hear. Such has always been the case, which is exactly why all of The Prophets met thier first opposition from thier own nations and family members.
Your idea of, "logic" and "facts" is based on and around science. Worse, the weaker forms of science, because anyone who is familiar with Sacred Geometry will surely know that science and mathematics in itself are further proofs of His existence.
Your problem seems to be, that because God cannot be viewed under a microscope, then He must not be there. You know nothing of religion, aside from what you see on the news and in papers. If you did, you would know that in order for the spirit to be whole and at full capacity, it needs to always keep in touch with it's source. The same way bears need hibernation.
The concept of God goes well beyond concept, it's a fact. Therefore, it can't be flawed, except in the mind of someone who is too engrossed in worldly ways, that the idea of following a set order of rules disgusts them. Only the lawless deny the Law and it's Maker. Decorate your arguement as you may with all of the clever wordplay you will, not everyone is fooled by it.
You say this, "concept" is manufactured, yet you bring no proof. You want people to take your opinion as fact. I brought forth Sacred Geometry as a testimony to God's manifestation in one of our most well known (and worshipped) sciences. What do you have?
Actually, following your whims and desires, going after worldly things, material possessions, money, other people is spiritual weakness in it's truest essence. This leads to depression, and worse in some cases.
Actually, you're not wrong for not having this knowledge, you're wrong for choosing not to have it. But please, don't make the fatal mistake of thinking that I actually care about you or your condition, all I'm saying is that your arguement is very weak.
I do believe in God but i surch something spacial from him ! I have a question all people here are muslim ?
No. As far as I know, I'm the only Muslim that has responded to this particular thread. I could be wrong.