So are we ever going to learn the significance of "Post 100" or was that more meaningless bullshit?
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So are we ever going to learn the significance of "Post 100" or was that more meaningless bullshit?
Cause youre prolly corny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason1980
Lol at anyone listening to cilvaringz. If wu aint on it noone would care. Fuck i care bout a rich eurocac rapping bout how he hates america while he profits off american culture.
Dont be a cornball JASON
lol if you don't care why are you constantly posting in this thread tho? still feeling bad about something that happened last year huh? you crying gangsta tears? move on like the rest of usQuote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
lmao @ rich eurocac rapping about how he hates america. the only thing true about that is that he is rich now. good for him haha
keep that hate in yo blood, I'm sure it gets you through the day
I see what you're saying, this is the clan's lively-hood, but didn't gza say we do this for the art and not for the charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
so what you're telling us is that the music is just for the money at this point, and it's not worth making a great album for the fans anymore.
I thought wu was big in europe and they still got tours over there, even in NA and SA. I remember waka talking about how much money he gets from european tours.
Again, I guess in the end it's just about the money now, not about the music.
^no wonder most the music they put out now is shit. What can u expect when they're only doing it for a paycheck?
I dont get the issue, the album wasnt going to put back on top. This album was something like Wu-Chronicles, or The Swarm. A compilation album, and I doubt there would have been enough to revert the tides from ABT.
Plus ABT was happening at the same time of OUATIS, so they would just get canibalized or just make sure that the people was confused enough to not know which was the real thing.
Also most of the outside hiphop community knew about this shit, they still keep asking about it to most of the wu memeber interviews. N.O.R.E. asked rae last week about it and rae kinda shrugg it off since even him didn't know how the album end up.
^^on point
It wasnt a compilation album, believe me, it was cohesive, like the 90s bunch. If anything it's most similar to Forever
What did Post 100 mean though?
Corny? What's corny is posting on this forum just to bash Ringz and disrespecting strangers you would never have courage to cross in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Post 101 will be made clear. It's actually in the book. Honestly, not trying to sell anything, but the book tells the real story of this album in such a great way, publishers worldwide were riveting. All will be made clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Simon Hurt
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
haha
I understand that from a fan's perspective it doesnt make much sense. But economically it's far more complex. Sure the group tours and makes well into the six figures a show. But when you have a mountain of costs to cover like transport, management, accommodation for crew and staff, insurance, taxes and then split the remainder over 9 brothers and a DJ, you're not looking at a net figure that sustains the lifestyle of most of the group. The Clan has existed in both a very strong music industry climate and a terrible one. They came up strong in the 90s where much money was made but for some maybe not invested with a longterm vision in mind. I dont know the individual financial situations of each group member, but I do know that, like most artists in the world they gotta keep working to sustain and maintain.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiggity_ace
So when it comes to an album, the returns are even lower. There's no multi million dollar album budget anymore that would keep each individual and his family going strong while he concentrated on recording a Clan album. We had a strong budget for OUATIS, one only an A-lister these days would have. So we made sure brothers were paid properly and thats how the album got done. ABT had zero budget, or very very small. RZA paid a helluva lot out of pocket to make that album happen. But when the beats are different, the budgets minimal, the previous sales numbers weak and still a batch of unresolved business matters dating back eons, then it obviously overrides what the fans might feel like. Especially since you've served them a crazy catalog already.
My two cents.
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
thanks for explainingQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
do you know whether rza at least recouped on the money he upfronted for the making of ABT?
Not sure, but guessing he made a loss on it, as he does on music on the regular, for his love for music.
the music industry has really gone down the drain
in rza's case it's a good thing he was able to transition to movies
maybe we shouldn't be surprised it's been such a slow year for wu solo & fam album releases so far? if recording takes up so much time (cutting into touring money), effort & budget it makes sense
* fewer albums drop in general
* new Killah Priest albums (physical copies) go for prices like $25 or more when sold by the man himself without a big record company (talking PWOWR and POTG prices here)
* Warface/Napalm recordings (Dom Pachino) has people get in a minimum amount of pre-orders for physical copies before an album actually happens
things would be better if your core audience would still shell out money for physical albums, but this only happens in mainstream pop and in classical music, maybe jazz too.
let me clarify that statement by providing an example from a classical music perspective. up until last year (when I had to cut down on hours on the job and had additional financial limitations) I used to buy 3 to 4 new classical music releases on CD a month. prices were (and still are) mostly $24,5. that is by all means steep since at the same time prices for new hiphop, rock etc releases were about $17. the market for classical music & opera has not crashed at all over the years since their typical buying audience has both the financial means and the willingness to buy a physical release that includes a thick cd booklet (all lyrics in various languages, sumptuous intro & further album notes, interview with the artist) and top notch sound. of course we are mostly talking about a slightly older crowd who hang on to that booklet for life, which gives the album an advantage over streaming (where less money goes to the artists).
the classical market is absolutely flooded with new releases every month (trust me, it's like a tsunami every month, hiphop can hardly compare) - loads of bluray DVDs as well (concerts & operas) and they have no problem finding a buying audience
alternative album sales business models that have worked in genres like rock would probably fail with a hiphop audience cuz of the persistent illegal downloading. I was thinking of hugely successful tour/album combos like Prince's 'Musicology' tour and album (2004, put him back on the map financially and in the album charts as well) where the (appropriately priced) concert ticket also came with a copy of the album itself before it was released later on via shops/online
people sometimes look down upon greatest hits releases (the wu has had many) since they already have/ most all of the songs but personally I think buying compilations is a good way of supporting the bands you are passionate about - it gets the record company some money, it gets the band some money, it keeps the band's profile up both in stores, in the social media and hopefully in the sales charts too.
the same goes, to a lesser extent, for hiphop movie soundtracks. any of you remember when you bought a soundtrack for only one or two artists featured on there? lol I have a shitload of soundtracks just cuz of a snoop or wu song on it. since songs became available individually online the hiphop soundtrack sales model has been over and done with largely. that's too bad as well, since it definitely added to a healthy sales climate in the nineties
remember people buying two copies, one for the car and one for the house?
damn I'm getting old lol
You can love music and make a profit, just don't be stupid.
Wutang shows are more packed than Young Thug shows. People have wutang tattoos. They got to those shows because they know you'll be preforming 36 chambers wutang forever ironman, return, tical, linx, swords, pillage and clientele. You then decide to make sure you music doesn't sound like that and wonder why they're not following you to buy those things.
Charlemagne the God is the most popular man on radio. He wear the wu logo 1/3 of his on air experiences and cites wutang all the time. Says, on air, tha GFK is the greatest MC of all time. Do wutang go on his show to promote their products? the #1 radio show in the world? Will they later complain that 'the radio' won't play their music...... ?
while that might be true for wu concerts (good thing they still draw large crowds!) I can say this is definitely not true (from my own experience) for wu fam concerts. killa beez are really struggling to get a crowd together for concerts. the funny thing is killa beez tend to stick to the original sound more closely than the wu as a group or the generals solo
good point you made about Charlemagne
it's hard to fathom how many wu themed facebook groups etc there are and how few copies ABT sold even if it had a different sound
people would rather get a wu tat to show they're about that lifestyle instead of buying a new album?
Mega lolzQuote:
Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
Haha wtf dude. You're a master troll. Kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I was just talking to a friend today about what shitty and self sabotaging businessmen they areQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
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Originally Posted by Lee Towers
Wutang's relevance is explosive right now, to everyone but wutang. If wutang reached out to the millions of facebook group, wutang themed businesses, members of the business community that are consistently cited as being wutang fans, etc etc, they would outsell drake. There's literally a "Jew Tang Clan" in hollywood and it includes Seth Rogan and James Franco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Towers
Lets forget that they're packing arenas.
Lets forget that they sold a CD for 2 million dollars. Rza leveraged Tarantino's wutang fanhood and created a movie career. That 1 fan. Just 1. There are people who make more money from the name Wutang than Inspectah Deck.
All they have to do is sound like wutang and reach out.
They don't want to sound like wutang and don't want to reach out. So you can't blame ABT on anyone but them. You release and album and all come to the media to say it's trash. Then you say the record industry isn't 'the same' and people 'aren't selling records'. Not to mention it actually was trash you, Rza, were trying to make music that sucks but you think is good because it's not being made in the hood.
True and true. Charlamagne reps Wu-Tang ALOT, even Angela Jee rocks the Wu logo on the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Angela Yee used to manage Genius/Gza and wrote the skits on Beneath The Surface.
^lol I was going to say that. Wutang has so many fans in high places right now. A lot of them think the internet is some sort of 'problem' so they're cut off from information and it's obvious. Rza is doing fine but he's coasting off 90% of hollywood being on his tip on the stenff of the wu. Rza also has a great work ethic.
Yes, Rza set everybody up properly, unlike most label heads who set their artists up for failure and bring in debt for the rest of their lives. The other clan members just seem to have had no future plans and squandered their money. I am certain at some point even lower profile members like Inspectah Deck, Masts Killa and had U god had at least half a million in their bank accounts.
lolz, very good pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
im a member of some of those groups and thousands of people still go crazy if they happen to see a wu-tang logo formed in a cloud, post their new borns in wu tang clothes, and whatever the hell else. there's been breweries that recently made wu-tang beer....the list is literally endless of how popular wu-tang is
but wu tang hasn't made wu-tang music in over a decade
and i hope RZA is really getting paid for the fact there's wu-tang shirts in almost every mall/ hot topic/ spencers gift store in the US. I recently saw a shirt with an upside down W logo that said 'Michigan' in the Wu-Tang font at one of the malls near me
I bet RZA could re-launch the brand and make a killing, all of the shirts are off-brand so idk if he's seeing any income from them
I wanted to make a separate thread about this, but here are some rappers that are influenced by the Wu, and Europeans and Australians here should be free to add on. Never mind the music quality, Wu's influence is epic throughout the world.
Also, given my own experience, You will find Wu-Tang fans in very unexpected places, even amongst intellectuals and politicians.
Btw, Few weeks ago, a girl who's a house DJ showed me a Serato device that kept me thinking about that final scratch fiasco.
I agree with TSA
also rza aint the same anymore, his music sucks, no matter how much he talks about music theory or whatever, the end result is 95% boring. what can u really expect from a guy who said he grew up wanting to be a cop in an interview, and that black people should stop scaring cops.
lmao wtf, is this the same guy who was talking at the start of little ghetto boys?
now i see why rae and ghost always distance themselves from this fool every time its time to make music.
Not only RZAs music isn't good anymore, Cilvaringz was never good. I don't understand how he got put on. His production is okay at best but his rhymes are awful. That shit always fucked with me.... I respect a niggaz hustle no doubt and I don't really care about the 2 million dollar album. I don't expect much from the clan anymore anyway... They're pushin 50. It's my opinion but Cilvaringz rhymes are trash and his beats are average but it's niggaz like him that get put on.
Fack off mate, my rhymes is all that AND a fat bag of chips! Me and Yung Shkreli would kill you in a battle all day, errry day.
Ringz can you confirm Yung Shkreli has been directing music vids?
Rza saw the hunger and determination in him..Quote:
Originally Posted by confusionborn
I have plenty lf courage to do it. Im wrecked half the time dont worry i got u. Im keepin it real. Im not suckin some fans dick who basically one of us and used his parents money to try and make it seem like an artist, of which yall treating him like hes anyone of importance when hes notQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason1980
Ive been on this forum since it was 5 elements and owned by bfists. I can say what i want. Which is truth. Yall wanna get conned and then move on, yall soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Towers
Hes not an artist. Hes not tellin truth. Hes a liar n a con artist. And if ya wanna stick up for him i guarantee if u mentioned him in front of any wu member or killabee 80% of the time theyds agree with me.
Hate in blood? No. Ik not listenin to this fake anymore. Yall wan ride his dick go head. Ill give my 2 cents. All cuz ull let people take advantage of u dont mean i will.
And ill do this on all the hiphop forums for the illinformed like you.
When did he lie and what con has he pulled? Your thinking won't help you eat better food nigga.