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Robot tank had this thing where he would call me late night: early morning hours and go into these deep twilight zonian convos about damn near everything imaginable that could mindfuck you. My fav convo with him one night was when he said he wanted to buy a fire truck as his everyday car . I was like what? Lmfao tank was different man.
Did Priest just call Savage Sanctuary not a real album?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teejay
I would have loved to be able to ride shotgun in the streets of North Long Beach late at night with Warcloud driving a fire engine having deep discussions about everything in existence
with Warcloud, ha ha.. When was the last time that you spoke to him before he died and how was his mental state then?
It's a Shaka creation, compiled from verses he had in the stash. Priest says it was "put together" (i.e. copy and paste).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Set
Did anyone really think otherwise?
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
I got the same. "Put together for us" I think is what he said. But I think he mentioned another project - incomplete cathedral or something? Maybe he has material too that we will get to hear one dayQuote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
I was talking to Gage and Rheto last night about those late night calls from him . Another I’ll story about him that Gage told me was when he briefly lived in Boston and one day Gage got him some work and he made sone money doing a verse for some record and he took the money and disappeared . Came back and told them he had bought a car even though he didn’t have a license to drive . They go and check this car and it’s sone old white Camaro with no engine in it abandoned in some lot and he blew his check on that and never ever went back to claim that car or spoke of it again lmao.
robot tank was also known to call you and leave you on the phone after you pick and just go. Lmfao
I did not think otherwise. But I would've thought Priest had some sort of input. His comment that it was put together, and that he wanted to do a real album with Warcloud speaks volumes for BSOM. Something we all knew, with both Priest, and Cappa with his IG once confirming it. Honestly, I find it mind boggling that this guy gets away with all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
I ran into him when i was in LA about a year prior to his death . I was there for a coen brothers film event (friends of mine ) and i won’t lie . He looked really beaten down. After that he went on iron vacation . Called me when he got out briefly talking about something to out of human comprehension i just sat on the phone and told him if he ever needed anything . I got him .Quote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
I’ll say this . Cloud finally spiraled after the death of his grandma . She gave him stability somewhat. His time in Boston was good for him as well as Gage and them had his back but those of us who know . We know things really went downhill when this one chick came outta nowhere claiming to be his handler/ manager and started isolating him from everyone who fucked with him. I’ll boldly even say, a lot of the records y’all bought back in the day. The money was prolly going to her pockets . She took advantage of him and kept him away from people who cared about him. The irony is . I haven’t heard shit from her since he passed . I guess when she realized he couldn’t get her into Rza’s bed . She abandoned him like many of these vultures do when they have no use for you anymore . It’s sad really.
another thing to put out there because I’m seeing people blaming drugs and alchohol for his demise . He indulged yes but he was also a diagnosed skitzo so please bare in mine that there were health related issues the man had to deal with. And also keep in mind that he died in police custody. Answers are needed about that. If you know anything about the LAPD …. Then you know why red flags are up.
Yeah, Unfinished Cathedral. Hope Priest puts that together and out there for his fans. His story about MF DOOM is interesting too, Priest DOOM Holo on one song would be crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
I checked the tracks he recorded with Gage in 2006, last night - actually pretty good (Shaka put them out a few months ago)Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Man fuck her. Mental health issues are no joke. There's a special place in hell for people that would take advantageQuote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
I was lucky enough to cop the original single from Gage way back - I think I have a rip on an old HDD. I'd be happy to upload it if anyone is interested when I have timeQuote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
Please
@Radioactive, Thanks for sharing. Thats fucked up. I've seen the same thing happen to musical geniuses with mental issues. Kool Keith is in the same period of his career. This chick has him dressing 30 years too young and rapping about clothes and cars and being the opposite of what he stood for. Shit is sad. Reminds me of Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys and his wife who had him out there looking goofy and forced because she was basically a glorified nurse/manager. Thankfully that bitch just died.
Talking about his substance abuse, no doubt that contributed to his death. He looked physically about 10 years older than he was. And we all know he had issues like schizophrenia. But it all unraveled for him when RZA had him smoking dust. Not totally blaming RZA, but a millionaire older producer says he's going to make you a big star and gives you a drug that literally makes you a psycho, its fucking irresponsible of him especially since he calls Wu artists his "pupils". And then dropped him and shelved the album his entire life. That definitely depressed Holo more.
I've done dust and personally seen it destroy young friends. Overdosing (not "ODing" but just taking too much of a drug) can permanently damage your brain. Especially in a young cat. It can trigger schizophrenia in people who didn't have it. Plus, people who get institutionalized are rarely the same after it. ODB was messed up by it. U-God talks about the drugs they give you to sedate you. It takes away your inner monologue and dulls you, like a lobotomy. So it wasn't just his own mind but the way others wrongly treated it.
Holocaust went from a regular but very smart hood dude to rapping about "I only salute apple sandwiches" in ONE YEAR. Its also the crazy 5 Percenter cult shit RZA was telling these guys while on the drugs. Imagine being 20 from the hood and a guy gives you PCP and says "You're God". Ghost went through the same mental issues before leaving that 5% shit. ODB and RZA were paranoid and weird because Popa Wu brainwashed them with Supreme Mathematics from a young age. The whole movement was started by a drug addict preaching to a gang of teen boys that they are God if they gave him drugs and money. That what 5 Percenters are supposed to do btw. Thats what the WTC is: 1 5 Percenter with 8/9 under him like a cult/gang he controls. The Cypher, but they called it Chambers. When the Clan got tired of RZA, he went to LA and tried it with the Black Knights with Warcloud as his new ODB. "Do drugs, be crazy, say the Black Man is God but change your name because it offends my Jewish boss." If you know, you know. Research who RZA signed ODB to against ODB's wishes.
Sorry to hear that his Grandmother died I remember when I met Blue Sky Black Death, they mentioned him living with his Grandmother in Gardena or Glendale, forgot which one. Glad that Gage was holding Warcloud down out there. I even saw Bomshot show him love on Instagram. I wonder if Guarded By Martrys and Tekken000 are aware of his death? They contributed a lot to this thread, even Angry/Reanimated and CeitedMofo/Heat. Their hate posts are part of the reason Warcloud's thread is so damn big.. About half of those two hundred something pages are hate posts from them, l.o.l.
I'm gonna say one more thing because I feel very passionate about Holocaust's life ending so sadly. These Wu niggas were biting his style a lot in the late 90s. He was basically the West Coast Killah Priest or Shyheim. And its fucked up they didn't shout him out or give a guest feature or something. He was in their cypher just like the top Killa Bees. He helped them eat. They should be paying off his damn gofundme 10x over. Don't get me started on how he kept Wu Tang relevant to underground heads when most of them sold out in the 2000s.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/306009380287 Was looking for Holocaust/Warcloud stuff on eBay. Would love to cop this, but it is a little too rich for my blood right now.. Perhaps somebody on here would be interested..
Ain't that just the BSOM trilogy package of that Unreleased & Lost BSBD re-release?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
I think so, yeah.. Would be great to finally have all of those on c.d.
Here is the Gage-One/Holocaust EP: https://file.io/0tW2Np8useRRQuote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
Reading about the shelved projects: RZA should dig this stuff out of the vault, get a proper release lined up, and then have the funds from the sales sent to his family. Has RZA even acknowledged Holocaust's passing?
File is saying deleted?Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
I imagine releasing an unreleased album from a deceased artist is a legal minefield. Also I'd be surprised if anyone has an albums worth of unreleased material from the OG Holocaust period, even RZA.
Only Wu fam I’ve seen acknowledge Holo’s transition are Prodigal, Dom P, Priest, Crisis, and obviously Christbearer. Haven’t really checked others, but I doubt anything from RZA. I don’t even think he acknowledged 12 O’clock and Murdoc years ago and that was his fam. Not everything needs to be public acknowledgment tho, we don’t know what’s goin on behind the scenes…Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Bally Kid
Looks like file.io deletes after the first download, so someone grabbed it :)
Try this https://fastupload.io/1c05e3aa756e4c27
Damn, just heard. RIP. This one hits hard. Pinky Violence is a classic. Terrible news
Check out the Holocaust/Warcloud discography I've put together here
Please add any information that is missing or songs that are not on the list.
This is still a work in progress and hoping to add more info i.e. production/Recording studio info, style/alias names etc.
What's her name?Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
I think the material still exists because it was a big project - an entire solo album produced by RZA from 97 to 2000ish. And if its available, I'm sure RZA is considering it since hearing Holocaust died. Thing is the money to clear samples and get a physical release on a label that will probably not even do 50,000 units is way more expensive than just paying into his gofundme or directly to his daughter's mom (kinda weird his sister is running it). But I agree with the comment that it might not even be a whole finished album. Would be best to release it for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
The amount of rappers to go batshit on the rza is crazy
Gary Alford sharing the process for his Holocaust/Warcloud involved works. https://www.instagram.com/p/DEdKh-XNcsB/
Dedication page I found being run by his sister. https://www.instagram.com/ripanthonybrown/
ill drop all the unreleased joints i have with him after he is sent off to paradise . im waiting outta respect.
Thanks. He will love forever through his rhymes 🙏🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. you should make a little bootleg mixtape with cover etc. RADIOACTIVE MAN presents...
THAT WOULD BE SUPER DOPE!Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
I plan on going through the MySpace stuff I ripped a while back to see of I have anything not available otherwise (I know for sure I have Harmonica in the Desert with no DJ, which was released on the Warghosts mixtape....but I don't think it ever dropped on any other projects not tagged)
My version doesn't have the DJ on it either, but not sure where I got it from.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
Has anyone got Freestyle Flow Vol. 1. I've only got two tracks on it. I'm pretty sure I pre-ordered it but never received it.
I've got Vol, 2 on CD.
Interesting - how is the quality, and would you upload the version you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knowledge God
Sorry, I don't have either of the FF releases...these might be the only releases I don't have physically or digitally. Looks like I skipped these as they were bonuses for BSOM 2099 reprint releases
Does anyone else think the Savage Sanctuary Rework album cover was originally meant to be for the Unfinished Cathedral album that KP was talking about.
I’m not doing this . Didn’t share that so she would be harassed . Leave her be. Karma will do it’s workQuote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
The man is dead. She needs to be fully exposed for taking full advantage of him. It's called accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN