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Originally Posted by sweet sista
no
thats how its translates into
"you dont know how they knew it"
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
no
thats how its translates into
"you dont know how they knew it"
my goodness!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaemillz
okay why don't YOU tell me how they knew it?!
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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
i don't doubt the wisdom of the ancients at all. as a matter of fact, i believe that every civilization was good at something. however,they were great in kinda specific major. No one can be good at everything!
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
u still dont understand logic do ya?
the issue isnt about me proving or answering how they knew it !
the issue is whether u or anyone else can PROVE that it was ALLAH who inspired them!
how old are u?
^ lmao...I have been wondering about her age, also.
Just because it seems like she is real young.
i had fun with her in the past.. then i gave up :(
who shot JFK, ive been wondering that for yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
Do u believe is this?
has nothing to do with JFK
doesnt???? u sure???
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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
goodness! some one pissed at me!Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
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Originally Posted by Jaemillz
bu bin bon bundindan bundic?, bu ba?
i still dont understand logic?!!
ha! i'll tell you what is the issue, you obiously not interested in da truth so you enjoy making yerself a pain in de a**.
and yeah what's up wit da whole talk bout ma age?!
what dat has 2 do wit da truth?
are they right in assuming that you're young ^? I'm not tryin to hate, I'm just curious. At least you know my age. Tit-for-tat?
hehehe yep but you know "young" is something different for different people. some will consider you young some won't.
so what's your age?
was dat da quetion you wanted ta aks in da first place but it's' like you didn't want to show so?
hehe
i'm 21
lol i aint pissed at u
i never was,
i said i gave up replying to what u said, as
u refused to look deeper or research deeper,
so u was stuck with ur beliefs,
it doesnt hurt to read or find stuff out that go against ur views.
as it opens ur eyes... then u can make ur own mind up,
not like u havnt now, but u have to see, why ur beliefs, are held as they are... and who indoctrined u with them beliefs.. was it the education system? your folks who wanted to follow the same religion as them,.?
im not having a go sweet sista.
but u can never goto deep.
the deeper u go, the better understanding it is for yourself.
-Wun-
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Originally Posted by soul controller
i'll tell you what hurts,
it hurts to know so damn well what is the truth. and you know how it'll help everyone. yet you don't seem to be able to help the ones you're more concerned about.
maybe that did has an effect on me but very very little. anyway, when you grow up and through different experiences you start to measure things and to test those beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
it doesnt hurt to read or find stuff out that go against my views cuz i'm just a human. However, there are things that natural to figure and to see some people doubt about them. i think this is unjust for their own sake.
in my prespective, it ain't possible that "god" is just a human that evolved down a different path .it ain't logical.
cuz humans have weaknesses and God doesn't. it ain't suitable to a God to have weaknesses. I mean humans don't only have physical weaknesses but psycological weaknesses too. and if God have all that, what makes him God? what makes him different than humans? absolutely nothing.
No, cuz he doesn't have any.
the mythical image of god u have in ur mind
has no weakness's
indoctrinating the young is so
:(
you're measuring God's abilities by the same yardsticks that you use to measure the humans' abilities. you see, you have weaknesses. so you suppose that it's the same to God. and that ain't true.
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Originally Posted by Legato
legato,
you see God does control everything but the thing is, he gives humans the freedom to pick whatever they like. If i supposed that he didn't control everything in a way he ain't lettin' us do anything wrong or anything at all. are we goin' ta like it? i'll talk about myself: i won't.
it's the sense of humanity and the sense of experience in everything we do.
He ain't ignorant. He can't be, he is the most-knowledgable. He knows it all. He control the universe and the cells in our bodies and etc. small or big.
He does, it's just some people don't notice.
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Originally Posted by Legato
He created us to be good human beings. He loves us so much that's why he is telling us to stay away from what hurt us. We maybe think "i like dis, i like dat how somethin' i like would ever hurt me"
later, alot of the things we do, DO really hurt us. We just go like "nah, i love doin' it. i ain't gonna stop"
However, he knows best what is good for us.
no that's what we sometimes think cuz we feel so desperate and maybe hopeless to see all bad things happen ta us and to the people we love and all those who hurt us aren't getting any sort of panishment whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
the truth is Allah is testing us and them. You see, when he is lettin' those "bad guys" do dis and dat ta us. He is preparing hell to them. and before hell he does panish them but maybe we just don't see them getting panish.
the other part, it's test to us. He either wants you to see the truth
"that could be something you do and you need to stop doin' or something you believe in"
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Originally Posted by Legato
honey, i'm aware of what alot of people going through and i know that it seems like givin' God excuses. but it's really not the case. cuz you should try sometimes, when you're alone or something and think of your life. Remember all the situations you went through and when you thought that there is no way out. suddenly outta nowhere the help came up and you got outta trouble. who did that? Allah did it. i wish i could remind you of all the things you went through and all what god did to you. but it's hard cuz i don't know you and those kind of things you know them better than others. cuz it was you who went through it.
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Originally Posted by Legato
sad, i wish if i could pull your viewer a little to make you see the side i see. even if it's just for a second.
Allah hates what's goin' on to those babys or elderly or any innocent human being. Allah hates who hurt them and gets so angry at them.
Allah created the good people to face the bad people. and he gave us the proper system to use to stop such ugly crimes. however, those who don't follow that system, follow their own system "the system they claimed it's the best cuz it was set by the experts" which is so far proved it ain't working and those crimes are the biggest live evidence for that!
This case like the case of a patient "society" who is given a specific medicine "tha man's system" that doesn't seem to improve his condition but it makes it worse. Instead of trying to use different medicine, "Allah's system" they use the same old one. So the patient doesn't only have one side effect but a double and on that double, double some more!
The future is options and choices. some of what we're going through is because of our bad decisions.
i'm happy 4u cuz you have such a good family and friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
umm,
who gave you such a good family? who put you among good folks that you can learn from their experiences?
Did your friends/family give you your sight? Dis they give you your hearing? Did they give you your heart? your mind? your soul? your humanity?
Alot of kids in the world have no families and some have but it their existence is the same as thier absence. and some have the worst type of families, their own family hurt them. there are kids who were killed/molested by members of their own family!
i remember this story that i heard somewhere, there was a man who was lost in the sea. he was praying to Godto save him. suddenly, he saw a little boat. The man on the boat aksed him to join him. but the the first man said "No, i'm waiting 4 God to help me". Later, a vessel arrived and the captain aksed him to come with'em. He said the same thing. finally, a helicopter flew above him and drop a life line and he just repeated the same thing.
brutha, God ain't gonna come to you in person. He will send you help in his so many different ways.
The next stage of man's "mental evolution" is uncertain, but if current trends continue (by trends im talking about the environmental stressors that drive evolution....remember, evolution is only driven by environmental stress)Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
In addition, i dont like the tern "stage" because your question unknowingly implies that evolution only occurs in spurts and stages (when meanwhile it is going on right now... all the time.. it never stops)
but i totally understand your question.
If current trends were to continue (meaning decreased need for physical exertion, coupled with an increased use and reliance on computers), it is plausible that man will evolve to not actually need a physical body (in the sense we have today)!
now i know this sounds weird, but its totally plausible. as time goes on with a decrease in need for physical strength, a decrease in need for physical "travel" and decrease in need for a voice box (look we are communicating right now without use of our voicebox!), humanity will adapt to this lifestyle the most efficient way possible. that being a total decrease and resorbtion of all appendages not readily in use.
there are echoes of this occuring due to the current migration of the human thumb moving closer to the index finger. (it has moved approx half a millimeter in about 70 years..)
metally, without having much of a physical body to control and "keep maintenance of", brain functioning that was normally totally dedicated to certain aspects of the central nervous system that controlled voluntary actions may be lost or even better, be adapted to new more higher mental abilities.. what those abilities will and can be is anybodies guess (telepathy maybe???)
as for "god" being a higher form of evolved homo sapien..i really cant comment on that because i dont c how it would work (from a biological standpoint)
by this "god concept" are u referring to an evolved form of sapien that evolved to a point where he/she became invisible and able to manipulate the forces of nature an reality and able to cheat death?? interesting.. but i dont c how it would work.
there would have to be a living population of these homo sapiens (or relatives of homo sapiens) that at one point were reproducing to yield forth our current "god".
there would be evidence of these beings existing in some way shape or form (not that a lack of evidence makes it impossible), its just that i cant address that issue from a scientific standpoint. but its interesting and fascinating nontheless.
true indeed.. its totally possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
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slowly but surely we all see legato figure out the meaning of life...
;)
unfortunately no. there woul have to be some sort or form of reprodution to allow for evolutionary process. evolution only works on populations of creatures "at a time".. not the individual.Quote:
is it possible for a single creature to evolve solo? like without reproduction?
............................ wait a sec...............
UNLESS, an individual is "born" with a genetic mutation that yields a biological anamoly.... and if that biological anamoly was that it altered the organisms mitochondria and ATP usage , altered the latic acid cycle in anearobic respiration (that would allow cells to never tire and continue in the absence of available oxygen)
in addition there would have to be a mutation at the same time that would allow cels to continue to divide and replicate an infinite amount of times! (the reason why all creatures die is because cells can only divide a certain number of times.. that number being about 50.. this is why we "age and die")
legato, i want u to know that there are indeed creatures out there that DO NOT DIE ! for example, the "Tetrahymena".
this organism is one celled and basically lives forever. The one cell doesnt live an infinite amount of times, but even more fascinating, the one celled creature has the ability to replicate itself exactly (by division) and the resultant new cell is an identical copy of the first iteration of the creature with a new lifespan that ultimately will never end.
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Originally Posted by Legato
i ain't tryin' to turn you into me not at all it's just try to make you see what i'm tryin' ta say.
humph,Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
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Here it shows where is the real problem and how cancered it is. you see it's the mistake of that system. some people make a decision that maybe makes others pay its cost.
example: if a man raped a little girl, "the man's system" is going to say "send him to jail for maybe 12 years or something. In most cases, that criminal get back to his old self and do the same things he used to do. On the other hand, the life of that little girl almost distroyed. she may still think of what happend long ago even if she was grown. these kind of things never gone. they don't only effect on her life but her whole family.
it's the system of "the experts" . The system of "god" has different solution to this. which i know would stop those criminals or at least makes them think twice before committing a crime.
and what is that system? are u referring to another unverifiable claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
i feel we are jumping the gun, lets first get an idea of your concept of god
i have a few simple questions for Sweet Sista that should solve everything.
1) is God "perfect" ?
2) is god all merciful ?
3) Is God all "just" (meaning ultimately justice is served)
4) Is god immutable (meaning he/she/it is "unchanging"?)
be careful with your answers
no, evidence for the tetrahymena goes back to about the cambrian period. and it hasnt changed since in any noticeable form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
this is the downside to self replication! with self replication (just like asexual reproduction) ...think of it like this:
its like playing roulette but instead of having multiple chips and choosing to bet on a number, a color or odd or even, u are stuck betting on red only. thus no matter how many times the "wheel" of nature is spun, u are stuck with betting on red ... u will not change !u cant change ! because each "spin" (ie each replicate of yourself) will be exactly like u were !
the tetrahymena has not changed because it has been betting on red for millions of years, and amazingly, red keeps working out !
but guess what inevitably will happen...... a new casino hostess will take the "wheel" and spin it in such a way that the ball lands on "black".... what will the tetrahymena do in this case.. it will do nothing.. it will die and go extinct!
so now we see, self replication (that leads to a form of immortality) is only beneficial if the current envitonmental stressors favor it ! the instance that the environmental stressors change, you ar flat out of luck because u bet all your money on one chip/color...
this is why sexual reproduction was so beneficial.. becaue its like playing roulette and putting down 50 dollars worth of chips on the board each spin (25 chips from the papa and 25 chips from the mama)..regardless of how the wheel is spun.. u will win in some way.
(also note that the terahymena isnt truly immortal).. it will indeed die if eaten ,, squashed or poisoned or infected with a virus.
Timbs...Is it a possibility that apes came from humans instead of the other way around?
some kids don't have the ability to see though their parents do. if a child is given his/her sight from his/her parents. then why when he/she lose it. the parents can't get it back? no matter how much they love him/her?Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
why there are impotent people? Don't they have the ability to create a human like others?
God doesn't expect you to wait for a miracle to happen. He wants you to use the intelligence he has given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
Allah knows previously and before that child to those bad parents is born. That they ain't gonna be good enough to raise him properly and they may hurt him as well. However, here you can see the ultimate justice of Allah. If he wasn't to allow some parents to have kids. then, one day those parents will complain to God saying that he didn't give them the chance to raise the kids and he was unjust by doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
example:
a crimianl can't be arrested before the cops know for sure that he committed a crime. Even if the cops felt that he is about to committ it, they can't arrest him until he does the action. i mean if they did, the criminal is going to say "i didn't do it"
so unjust but you know when Allah takes something from you, he give you a substitute in other thing.
like the blind's hearing. Allah took his sight but he gave him a strong hearing instead and so other things.
this would be impossible due to our current genetic makeup and the current genetic makeup of modern apes, in addition to th etime contraints for this to have occured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
furthermore, it must be known and understood that humans didnt come from the apes we see today, its just that we share a common ancestor with modern african apes.( lowland gorillas and chimps mainly).
the common ancestor that we share with african apes lived about 6 million years .. from that point on there was split.
one group went on to develop into what we now know as the chimpanzees and gorillas and the other group of primates went on to develop into what we call humans.
it would impossible for apes to come from humans because we would see irrefutable genetic evidence of this
thats not true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
in actuality, it is very very rare for a disabled orgaism to have one or more other senses compensate for the disabled sense by increased functioning or acuity.... thats not how it works!
and u attributing disability to "god taking his sight away" is even further disgusting and insulting.
interesting, so your saying that god wants us to use the intelligence he has given us right?Quote:
God doesn't expect you to wait for a miracle to happen. He wants you to use the intelligence he has given.
so am i to conclude that God is supremely happy with my ability to use my "god given" gift of intelligence and reasoning to come to a conclusion that he/she doesnt exist?
it has been argued very seriously in theology (at the graduate and doctorate level) that there is a strong possibility that if God exists he/she will be very proud of the atheist upon judgement.
the reason being that god allegedly empowered us with the great gift of intelligence and reasoning! And its obvious that God has left no observable positive evidence for his existence, so... with that said, it is argued that the Atheist will be rewarded at judgement for correctly using the gift of intelleigence and reason to come to the rational conclusion tha tthis god doesnt exist!
on the flipside, one could argue that the religionist (those who claim that God exists and claim to know so) will be frowned upon by god by neglecting to use the god given gift of reasoning and intelligence.
how do u feel about that argument sweet sista?