Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

10-08-2005, 02:27 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

it it was all that simple.. there is no need to debate..

the mind/sceince/universe/god is a complex matter..

noooooooooooo way dude

fuck
its about time

i been agreeing with you for like 6 months now

finally we get something to discuss

my understanding is that as technology and communication advances it is to APPEAR as a complex matter

peeling off layers of information tho
it really and truly is the simplest thing
10-08-2005, 02:29 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

thru quantum mechanics we are led to believe or conclude that among other things, the world at its most distilled form must be under the control (or atleast vigilance) of a silent observer.. an "objective lens" thru which all exists

no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?
10-08-2005, 02:32 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

noooooooooooo way dude

fuck
its about time

i been agreeing with you for like 6 months now

finally we get something to discuss

my understanding is that as technology and communication advances it is to APPEAR as a complex matter

peeling off layers of information tho
it really and truly is the simplest thing

man i know... u one of the guys here i can truly discuss things with
lol scorp vet at heart :P

but i know.. quantum is definitely a new subject and a deep one which takes time to sink in.

its a simple idea but with far reaching consequences
10-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?

well ur part of this consciousness

BUT... u are trapped up in physicality..

you gta be able to control SPACE/TIME to control alll dimensions and see whats really true
10-08-2005, 02:34 PM
My First Timbs

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?

no.. according to theoretical quantum mechanics, u are not a silent observer.. the most u can be is a silent "perceiver".. with no way to gauge "objective reality"
10-08-2005, 02:35 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

the thing about quantum theory is that at the end it disproves itself

to be honest - it seems like quantum theory uproots the entire validity of newtonian science and quite possible every other discipline that came after the use of hieroglyphics
10-08-2005, 02:37 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

no.. according to theoretical quantum mechanics, u are not a silent observer.. the most u can be is a silent "perceiver".. with no way to gauge "objective reality"

you mean no way to explain objective reality

there is a massive difference

and that difference is prolly the crux of this discussion
10-08-2005, 02:38 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

you are a silent observer

until you seek to explain what you are observing

because our tools of definition and communication are ineffective
you come across as somebody/thing who is simply perceiving subjectively
10-08-2005, 02:39 PM
My First Timbs

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

not really what i mean.. we could explain objective reality and what it most likely would probably consist of.. it consists of a range of "possibilities"

but we, the mere "perceivers" have no way to gage objective reality in practice in our lives.
10-08-2005, 02:42 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

not really what i mean.. we could explain objective reality and what it most likely would probably consist of.. it consists of a range of "possibilities"

but we, the mere "perceivers" have no way to gage objective reality in practice in our lives.

that is correct.

objective reality is what we assume

the real reality is much more bigger

and we cannot get this as we are not control of objective reality

hope i make sense..
10-08-2005, 02:43 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

not really what i mean.. we could explain objective reality and what it most likely would probably consist of.. it consists of a range of "possibilities"

but we, the mere "perceivers" have no way to gage objective reality in practice in our lives.

i think that you may be selling yourself short

and also may be assuming a bit too much about objective reality

you can figure out exactly what objective reality consists of by continually narrowing down the 'possibilities'
10-08-2005, 02:44 PM
My First Timbs

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

makes perfect sense princerai
10-08-2005, 02:44 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

yes indeed.. finally somebody who knows something about this.

you see these are the emans by which man can now see the universe on a wider level..

the fact that the universe is still bases on randomness yet works like a clock most of the times.. leaves the important room for the mere idea of God.

as well as lay down how God would be necessary to control randomness.. and why on Earth.. there is so much evil and what makes people so confused as to why God made what he did.

its because man sees through a small mind, that we only see what we do.. quantum future indicates that there is a common consciousness and a God who is the master of this.

quantum physics lays down the realm that.. God is no spook, but an essentuial form/ which cannot be seen due to SPACE/TIME theory, yet a force/consciousness to which we become united with.

if this is so complicated why does man feel that he knows what this god thinks and feels for him

and can yall break down in simple words what exactly is quantum physics or our understanding of it
10-08-2005, 02:45 PM
My First Timbs

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

i think that you may be selling yourself short

and also may be assuming a bit too much about objective reality

you can figure out exactly what objective reality consists of by continually narrowing down the 'possibilities'

wut if all of thes epossibilities exist simultaneoulsy? how could one narrow them down? let alone know which one is the true "objective reality"?
10-08-2005, 02:45 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

that is correct.

objective reality is what we assume

the real reality is much more bigger

and we cannot get this as we are not control of objective reality

hope i make sense..

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo way dude

that sounds like an assumption
10-08-2005, 02:47 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

if this is so complicated why does man feel that he knows what this god thinks and feels for him

and can yall break down in simple words what exactly is quantum physics or our understanding of it

quantum metaphysics put the picture of God in trems of physicality..

"God" is a consciousness connected to ours.. as we are consciousness as well. thus there is a branched possibility that through this link.. feelings are mutual etc etc
10-08-2005, 02:48 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo way dude

that sounds like an assumption

hmm i didnt make myself clear as i had feared..

ok.. reality.. what is it? how do you define it?
just simply..
10-08-2005, 02:48 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

wut if all of thes epossibilities exist simultaneoulsy? how could one narrow them down? let alone know which one is the true "objective reality"?

i didnt say its easy man

sounds to me like you are demonstrating your 'randomness' factor

a bunch of random possibilities - the imagination truly is a wondrous thing

the true objective reality is the one you are living right now
10-08-2005, 02:50 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

quantum metaphysics put the picture of God in trems of physicality..

"God" is a consciousness connected to ours.. as we are consciousness as well. thus there is a branched possibility that through this link.. feelings are mutual etc etc

quantum physics is UNDEFINED

our consciousness is gods consciousness

the only difference is that we try to discuss it with one another
10-08-2005, 02:50 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

hmm i didnt make myself clear as i had feared..

ok.. reality.. what is it? how do you define it?
just simply..

reality is this
10-08-2005, 02:52 PM
My First Timbs

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

i didnt say its easy man

sounds to me like you are demonstrating your 'randomness' factor

a bunch of random possibilities - the imagination truly is a wondrous thing

the true objective reality is the one you are living right now

OMG (whatver the "G" means.. i dont know).. but anyway

the tru objective reality may not be the one i am living in and perceiving right now... i am only perceiving myself sitting at a desk communicating to another individual named LHX.. although we both share this same reality, that in no way means that we are witnessing objective reality.

in a super simplified example, this computer may not even exist, but only in both of our perceptive minds (and the minds of those watching us communicate)
10-08-2005, 02:53 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

this is how it should be

Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
i agree with you wholeheartedly!

my "crusade" is against the superstitious concept of an almighty father figure.. not the potential of of a "God" that is shed light on thru understanding of quantum mechanics.

imo the idea and concept of "god" that is hinted toward when one understands quantum physics is greater and mor epowerful and more far reaching than any concept of a supernatural father figure.. it makes all of that look like backwater nonsense.. if a "god" exists, the concept is so unimaginable and greater than what religion has ever conceived!

i so agree here.. much props..

indeed the God explained thorugh these emans is definitely more powerful than any man depiction.. because we see the entire truth much more deeply..

scinece can always erase the God that religion depicts.. but never the picture of God which IS. (imo i respect ur position)

peace

__________________________________________________ ____________

But i still do not understand what Quantum Physics is

can yall break it down ?
10-08-2005, 02:53 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX

reality is this

reality is much muuuuch more LHX!

we see reality in one dimension, and the worst thing.. we perceive it through means which have flaws.. ie our senses..
im not saying everything is unreal neither that everything is deceptive..
of course this is reality that we are living in the broad terminology..

however the reality we see does not stop here.. it is wider..

again i will say.. quantum knowledge has opened a window to see why this is true.
10-08-2005, 02:56 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

reality is much muuuuch more LHX!

we see reality in one dimension, and the worst thing.. we perceive it through means which have flaws.. ie our senses..
im not saying everything is unreal neither that everything is deceptive..
of course this is reality that we are living in the broad terminology..

however the reality we see does not stop here.. it is wider..

again i will say.. quantum knowledge has opened a window to see why this is true.

thats it right there - how do we know its wider if we are limited to our own perception of things

hope that makes sense
10-08-2005, 02:57 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My First Timbs

OMG (whatver the "G" means.. i dont know).. but anyway

the tru objective reality may not be the one i am living in and perceiving right now... i am only perceiving myself sitting at a desk communicating to another individual named LHX.. although we both share this same reality, that in no way means that we are witnessing objective reality.

in a super simplified example, this computer may not even exist, but only in both of our perceptive minds (and the minds of those watching us communicate)

yes indeed.. infact my short explanation that reality may just be perception, can be brielfy said here again.

we perceive reality as to what it is by seing it through how we see it.. through our senses mainly..

our senses make up a reality and as senses are truly physical and have limitations.. how do we know everything is definitely real?

ok now.. i believe in my senses to a large extent.. i would truly belive that i am talking to u guys and that i am in London and not in Tokyo at the moment..

many words that sound so definite are so conceptual!
10-08-2005, 02:59 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

i gotta jet to the grocery store

but
we will get to the (non)bottom of this later today

and a new quantum theory thread for our good friend wooly

reality is much less

the tru reality is what you are perceiving right now
10-08-2005, 03:02 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

thats it right there - how do we know its wider if we are limited to our own perception of things

hope that makes sense

we are limited.. but we go forward verrrry slowly... that is why many scientists get excited over the whole quantum thing..

http://www.hpwt.de/Quantene.htm quantum physics
http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/essay.htm quantum metaphysics

let me explain both terms verry briefly

quantum Physics.. is the studies of the partices.. it was believd everything takes a calculated path .. ie particles go in certain directions in terms of calcilated ways.. however it was discovered mainly by Eisnstein (by mere chance) that what actually ahppens is that there are even smaller particles that do not behave accordignly..

they encirlce randomly without mathematics.. uncontrooeld behaviour!

then QUANTUM metaphysics... the meta in physics researched not the numbers and theories but the application or the consequences of quantum physics.
10-08-2005, 03:03 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

i just looked it up and what i get is that it is Life on Life on Life and the study of these lives am i correct ?
10-08-2005, 03:05 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

and now.. though the reality we see is through inner conviction.. it can actually be just mere perception.. however the crux is that this IS reality... but just part of wider raelity..

other dimensions are not applicable to the human eye, thus the entiree realm of reality cannot be comprehendable.

the randomness of particles compose the universe.. funny how everything still is in non-chaos! how come? there surely is a power to control randomity!

that is a concept based on facts and not mere desire
10-08-2005, 03:06 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

i just looked it up and what i get is that it is Life on Life on Life and the study of these lives am i correct ?

unsure what u actually read.. hope u read ma links..

it explains how the fact of randomness of particles has its MAJOR influence over the understanding over the universe.
10-08-2005, 03:10 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

unsure what u actually read.. hope u read ma links..

it explains how the fact of randomness of particles has its MAJOR influence over the understanding over the universe.

what think it is is not correct ?
10-08-2005, 03:10 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

to LHX...

" LIMITATIONS OF COMMON SENSE

SPACE-TIME

In our three-dimensional (3-D) space, we have three "degrees of freedom" to move. We see objects that occupy space exclusive of each other. We also experience time,

As a stream of sequential events, only one of which is real in the present. According to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, our concepts of space and time do not agree with actual reality. Our three-dimensional space and our one-dimensional time are actually two aspects of a four-dimensional "superspace", mostly called "space-time". Our senses do not perceive space-time directly (4), but its existence is well verified through decades of experiments. In addition to Einstein's relativity theory, modern physics is based on quantum theory, developed by famous physicists such as Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Bohr, and Dirac. Relativity theory focuses mainly on the macro world of outer space, quantum theory on the micro world of the atom and its subatomic particles. As relativity theory, quantum physics also assumes a four-dimensional space in which our 3-D space and time are blended together "

JUST to indicate that reality is more than what we see
10-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

what think it is is not correct ?

sunny i gta go

i must continue this conversation definitely..

just read ma secind link of metaphysics.. it will answer alll your questions

just post more here.. and i will answer with help of you and others

peace n blessings
10-08-2005, 03:15 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

what i think it is isn't correct ?

lol

anyone ?
10-08-2005, 03:17 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

Relativity theory focuses mainly on the macro world of outer space, quantum theory on the micro world of the atom and its subatomic particles. As relativity theory, quantum physics also assumes a four-dimensional space in which our 3-D space and time are blended together "

JUST to indicate that reality is more than what we see

Life On Life On LIfe
10-08-2005, 03:19 PM
Prince Rai

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

what i think it is isn't correct ?

lol

anyone ?

depends on what you think!!!
what do you think... we think many things.. but they can be flawed.. thats a majot part of life as we are trapped in physical body.. our mind is thus limited..

it doesnt mean we cant elevate ourselves.. that is why philosophy and science maths and other studies help us come together..

my new love is definitely quantum studies as it explains that life is not all black and white.. and that it must be controleed by our consciousness.. but as we onluy see ythis dimension.. there must be a higher consciousness to control all other dimensions and a higher consciousness to control sub particles and ensure 360% staYS 360%
10-08-2005, 03:30 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

is that a yes or no ?
10-08-2005, 03:59 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

i just looked it up and what i get is that it is Life on Life on Life and the study of these lives am i correct ?

fuck

thats a good way of putting it
10-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Wooly Noggins

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

i guess it doesn't sound like a college educated wayof looking at it so it gets dismissed as some ghetto jibberish rapper guy stuff
10-08-2005, 04:08 PM
LHX

Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princerai

we are limited.. but we go forward verrrry slowly... that is why many scientists get excited over the whole quantum thing..

http://www.hpwt.de/Quantene.htm quantum physics
http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/essay.htm quantum metaphysics

let me explain both terms verry briefly

quantum Physics.. is the studies of the partices.. it was believd everything takes a calculated path .. ie particles go in certain directions in terms of calcilated ways.. however it was discovered mainly by Eisnstein (by mere chance) that what actually ahppens is that there are even smaller particles that do not behave accordignly..

they encirlce randomly without mathematics.. uncontrooeld behaviour!

then QUANTUM metaphysics... the meta in physics researched not the numbers and theories but the application or the consequences of quantum physics.

scientists get excited because they are
for the most part
ignorant

every time we get better telescopes we realize the universe keeps going on and it is bigger than we thought
every time we get better microscopes we realize that there are particles which compose the particles which we thought were the smallest particles

the whole discipline is heading in the direction of acknowledging that 'randomness' is not the exception but the rule

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:53 PM.