^ Thats my point. Klawful was proposing that the mentionings of people seeing god or talking to him just because it was in the bible was fact.
^ Thats my point. Klawful was proposing that the mentionings of people seeing god or talking to him just because it was in the bible was fact.
I hate the entire Bible, is that ok?
sho nuf.
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Originally Posted by whitey
let's just say "The law and the prophets were until John."
Teach.
The Old Testament was a time before Jesus when the Israelites went through their daily lives but in certain time periods there were prophets and holy men who interacted with God. (Which resulted in the books of the Old Testament).
Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies of the coming Messiah who would save all mankind from their sins, and when he came then all was fulfilled and all that is required of people is to believe in Jesus. There are no more prophets (John The Baptist was the last) as Jesus came and nothing more is needed than for man to believe in Jesus, that is our interaction with God through Jesus, prayer etc.
So why is there no more interaction with God such as described in the Old Testament? Jesus came and that was to fulfill everything. So all God wants of you is to accept Jesus.
I speak from the Christian perspective.
Fair enough.
It just seems like an easy way out to me.
With this being your view point do you view Islam as a false religon? Mohammed, according to the Quran, is a prophet of God. And if you do believe the Islam to be false what is your reason for believing so.Quote:
The Old Testament was a time before Jesus when the Israelites went through their daily lives but in certain time periods there were prophets and holy men who interacted with God. (Which resulted in the books of the Old Testament).
Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies of the coming Messiah who would save all mankind from their sins, and when he came then all was fulfilled and all that is required of people is to believe in Jesus. There are no more prophets (John The Baptist was the last) as Jesus came and nothing more is needed than for man to believe in Jesus, that is our interaction with God through Jesus, prayer etc.
So why is there no more interaction with God such as described in the Old Testament? Jesus came and that was to fulfill everything. So all God wants of you is to accept Jesus.
Hah, you think I haven't done my research on Islam.
I probably know more than you, when like half the people at your school are Muslim you eventually catch on, and I started my own personal research.
From what I gathered from a history textbook, Mohammed grew up in an area with a large Jewish and Christian population where he was obviously greatly influenced. I read that he himself did not write the Qu'Ran, but that his followers wrote down his teachings.
There are issues with Islam such as the whole issue of "Jesus can't be God's Son! God can't marry and have children!" when in Christianity Jesus isn't literally like the production of God, but Jesus was not created but begotten, True God from True God we Christians say, and in the New Testament when he said he was the Son of God the Pharisees were angered because this was to make him equal to God. I honestly need more understanding and research before I 100% understand the meaning of Son, I can grasp the concept but can't perfectly display it. However it doesn't mean son the way this society views it. This is my view on the issue, a lot of Muslims take it farther and claim people such as Paul (Saul) over-stressed or misinterpreted the divinity of Jesus.
Also, Jesus' life falls in line with Biblical prophecies (Psalm 22 vs. Matthew 27), but then Mohammed came around and oh it turns out the Bible was rewritten by corupt people (but some of it's still good). The Qu'Ran and Bible are completely different.
According to the Qu'Ran, what actually happened was that Judas (I think it was, well somebody) was made to look like Jesus and so he was crucified instead, and Jesus went up to heaven because God favored him. However, this is Mohammed's word versus Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's.
Its all come from other humans intepretations which distorts it stuff anyways.
Part of what I was saying tho not to clearly was the fact that knowledge is subjective.
Most of what you know as right and wrong, existant and non-existant is in part to your own personal experience but majorly also what we are taught.
We are willing to take a scientists point of view becuase we assume that he has taken time to study what he is writting throughly and give an accurate point of view. and we also tend to assume that because someone spent a long time studying that they are better prepared to understand things.
But scientists don't all agree with eachother on most theories.
and If you are not going to believe something like the bible which is one of the most historically acurate documents that has survived from those times, then there is absolutely no way that you will believe in god from some one elses experience, and why should you?
you need to go out and experince god for yourself.
God is real wether or not any of you want to say its so or not.
you cant judge wether or not something is real solely on your experience, otherwise the sun is just a small circle in the sky that heats you up sometimes burns you. its not really as big scientists say it is.
Show me some documentation about a man that has actualy physicaly measured the distance the sun is around...you cant.
ill write more later as I feel the need to rant.
thats blatant lie number 1Quote:
But scientists don't all agree with eachother on most theories.
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like the bible which is one of the most historically acurate documents that has survived from those times
blatant lie number 2
the diameter of the sun and its mass, median temperature and surface and core properties are all indeed well understood and verifiable.Quote:
Show me some documentation about a man that has actualy physicaly measured the distance the sun is around...you cant.
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