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Im sorry ya'll, I'm mistaken. Ghostface's verse on "Goodtimes 2" wasn't from Superb's verse on Wu-Syndicate's "Bust A Slug remix". It was from Superb's verse on a song called "Gray Goose" also featuring Baretta 9 & Hell Razah. Having said that, I still stand firm on my view of ya'll not takin sides on this issue. None of ya'll know the exact details of this matter. Let'em solve it amongst themselves like grown-ass men. PEACE.
fuck outta here with ya bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by ZiG 9th
1 ghost sold more back then cause wu was big then - now everybody is like wu is dead bal bla bla - so they aint seeing ghost like back then...if wu would run hip hop and not gunt - ghost would sell
2 ghost aint sellout...fuck outta here ...
3 there are alotttttt ghostface verses that were great...u wanna make me list em ??
4 fuck outta here with all this lyricsm bullshit - its music and music is alot more then just saying words..ghost knows that - u not....michael jackson aint used smart or whateva u wanna call it lyrics..but i touchted people..same goes for ghostface....niggas are feeling him...u aint get it cause u probebly are a rich white boi that never saw the struggle...
ghost gets the most love from the wu - and this is fact - make threads about whos the dopest outta the wu on every board..niggas gonna tell u that ghost is the shit and that the pretty toney album was dope ..niggas over here just dont like it that ghost gets more love then other wu membetrs and that he made his own music..wich is not wu tang based...u can see it by ya self...
i agree with u that ghosts lyrics maybe not the same like back then...maybe he lost there but he stepped so many other MC areas up - and thats good cause thats means everyone of his albums sounds different
5 do what u wanna do - ghost got the love...pretty toney is mad underrated...
man if u listen to sc lyrics..u just see that it ghost shit - thats so easy to see...man...sureb was in jail....niggas are acting stupid over there....
once again, put very wellQuote:
Originally Posted by stashlova
These tracks dont prove anything.
Superb just keeps saying "Its my shit, its my shit." Also he sounds like an uneducated person. And uneducated people tend to lie more readily. The freestyles are horrible. If Ghost responded in some battle form Superb would be "jigged up by the icepick"RZA
Bulletproof Wallets is a good album.
And IF somebody did ghostwrite on SC they are a damn good writer.
for the hater
ironam 5 wallys
SC 5 wally
BPW 4 wallys
Pretty toney 4.25 wallys
shut the fuck up now
LOL, dude you gotta stop letting people not liking ghost's music get to you so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
It's like '86, Magic Johnson, no disrespectQuote:
Originally Posted by stashlova
My metaphors'll keep out The Projects
Rap connects'll keep me correct
Eh yo, I wrote this on Donnie roof
After his funeral, on one knee
Thinkin his killer's followin me
So to my nigga Donnie, up there
Can you please tell God that we fucked up here?
We got beer, weed, guns, AIDS
All these obsticles, it's hard to make it nowadays
Watch the Devil in it, some say it's our fault
If that's the answer, you know smokin can cause cancer
Let me drop a bracelet, leave a chain behind
My tape stay at the beginnin cuz that's how they rewind
Y'all know how we dine, we don't eat swine, and we don't drink wine
If you don't bring me some motherfuckin cognac, I kill you
I can't feel you
Ain't in my senses, and you ain't in my dollars
I fuck with rockwilders, no leashes, no collars
Brolic scholars, that's Ghost Deini!
That's garbage??? Well if you think so...
And by the way: Nobody in here ever said Perb wrote SC, so who are you arguing with? Perb?? Cause there are obviously no Perb dickriders in here.
And Superb is all drama, you should know that!
So basically, if you take every of your favorite artists (be it Superb or Ghost) words for face value, then you have a problem anyways, because you are supporting terror, war, basically all kinds of violence...
I think this story should be a good lesson for some and it is a good chance for everybody to study the wisdom of the Corp members. Most of you already revealed that you don't have too much of it (yet) - which was kind of expected seeing all the other crazy threads, packed with ignorance, stupidity, opinions and emotions. But well, it's an internet forum, I guess.
And fine if you don't believe it, because - as was said before - it's not our business anyways. Plus we shouldn't believe in one-sided storys!
So, Peace.
[QUOTE=pussy-with-teeth]fuck outta here with ya bullshit
if wu would run hip hop and not gunt - ghost would sell
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Oh dear, G-Unit really got Ghost then. So Ghost doesn't sell cuz of G-Unit? Excuses, excuses and even more excuses.
Ghost doesn't sell cuz PT was garbage. Get over it already.
^^WOW
what brought that out?
whoa, how did we get to this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamal Arief
isnt superb on SC at some point?
i remember on some Wu album the mentioned superb.
I don't know. I had the impression there were some people in here who would say Lord Superb is garbage. It's especially funny since Ghost loves Perb (and that would make him kinda garbage too).
Nobody really disrespected Ghost in this thread (apart from maybe a few lunatics) - so I really don't understand why people are so eager to take sides and shit on Perb. Well actually I do understand, it's just that explaining it would be a lot of work and the benefit would be small, since the guys who know understand anyways whereas the rest stays ignorant and rejects logic arguments with the same nonsense they are displaying all the time - just to keep up that boundary that distracts them from thinking freely by nourishing some idealist conservative picture. God bless America!
I'm outta here.
Peace.
Nope ^^
And That Perb Verse Was Pretty Bad
The Way He Flowed That Shit Was Horrible
Every Time On Ghost Deine I Skip It After Ghost's Verse
[QUOTE=ShaolinDarts]ghost did not sell causeQuote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
1. he aint a big name in the industry - back then, nigga knew him cause of wu tang..nowdays the people that are buying hip hop are more into the new shit..the old niggas aint get the love
2 he did not sell cause he had only one mainstream song on there...and that shit was wack...wack for us - and wack for the mainstream...but this dont bring the whole album down..its just one song..push the skip botton and get over it
First post:
Second post:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakk
WTF?????????Quote:
Originally Posted by sakk
You are not a sakk, you are a freak!
Peace.
More excuses. Once again the industry is being used as an excuse for another so called "real" artists failure. There are atleast 700-800,000 people that know of Ghost from Ironman. What happened to all these people. Most of the Ghost fans on here are new fans not from that period as are alot of other Ghost fans. So if you factor that into the people that already know of him (and don't need an introduction) then I want to know what happened to the original people that got Ironman?Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
I don't think alot of Ghost fans will be honestly able to answer my question the same as they haven't honestly approached the issue of Lord and Ghost.
back in the days ....u could not burn - simple answerQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
the whole industry got down...back in the days - music was selling much more
do the knowledge
Is that why Nas makes anti-radio tracks that still get play? And no the whole industry was not down as you seem to suggest. Puffy and Mase were right there in the industry when Forever came out. The W goes platinum and shortly after Iron Flag flops. Why? Cuz contrary to popular belief music fans ain't stupid and they know their product. Immobilarity shot up the charts in its first week and then dropped out the charts the next cuz people realised the Chef had just given them a subpar product.Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
Same with Ghost
ahhahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
the new nas album went wood...and its a double album !!!!
and stop compareing puffy to ghost...puffy will always say...bitches buy him just cause the love how he looks etc
Immobilarity just did not sell cause had no hits...no ice cream...pretty toeny used to to have on but the song (missy shit) sucked.
and why the fuck we are arguing bout the sells anyway - that aint means shit...that ghost joint is blazing....why u think it was wack ?? cause one song was so ?? or 2 ?? - there are wack songs on ironman, even on cuban linx - there are many albums that got one or two filler - so does the new ghost..the rest is straigh flames !
It was you that got all defensive over Ghosts sales when Zig mentioned. Go back to my first post and you will see I am talking about sales cuz you mentioned that Ghost ain't selling cuz of G-Unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
And are you seriously trying to tell me Nas is a flop? Please don't make me laugh by dismissing Nas based on the outcome of his last cd. Just as a reminder - check the two video's of that album and then tell me that ice cream is needed to get play.
And no Ghost doesn't have two bad tracks on his album, its the other way around and its two good tracks.
so tell meQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
what are bad tracks !
buck 50...no hatin...doens't belong...
yo, you dudes is buggin...first and foremost superb is the man...but yo, he violated..he told the secret of the wu tang!! yo, all them cats write for each other!!!! between gza rza and dirt, man those guys been using each others rimes forever!!! anybody seen the talent show tape??? anyone heard p sunns sole survivors?? the hook sound like either mef wrote it or p sunn be writin for mef!!! im disgusted with perb right now...if hes linkin with thugged out or cormega..come on fam!!!! yo perb..stop buggin man...ride with the 5!!!!! the wu is where its at.....and tony starks will lead us to the promised land!!!! all them cats be spittin each others verses!!!! man nillaz cant tell me nada about the clan...the greatest of all time, now that the 7 ason unique is gone cats gonna try and throw dirt on the name???? man f!!! that!!!! and for the record...i hope this sht is over with soon cause i was dyin for perb on the next theodore joint!!!
i wonder how wu tang feel that their so called stone cold fans are naive as hell. wu tang naive.com is what they should call it.
I grew bord reading yall constant ranting and bickering calling each other fags and wonk wonk wonk regardless of what superd states it's still he say/ she say but I would expect yall to understand that. Ghost may have, ghost may not have but at the end of the say it's still he say/she say. No real proof. I dont doubt that it happen or didnt happen. Come on yall stop crying over spilled milk. Credulous mutha fuckas around here
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Deini_
y0 keep suckin ghostfaces dick!! U might need 2 get that rash around ur mouth checked out! Shit iz nasty lookin!
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
Shaolin Dartz drop the realness on this nutball!! Pussywithteeth!!
Gettttttttt the fuuuck outta here!!! Every song on Cuban Linx and Ironman iz bangin!!! I dunno what the hell u talkin about there?? Those albumz back then didn't come with weak songz! Unlike 2day where we can expect almost half of our wu albumz 2 be filled with weak jointz! Shit wasn't like that back then!Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
Exceptional Tracks - BiscuitsQuote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
Good tracks - Run
Average tracks - Beat the clock, Its over and Be this way
Poor tracks - Metal Lungies, Save me dear, Holla, all skits
Horrible - Ghostface, Tooken Back, Love
Even more horrible than above - Tush
All in all a very corny album.
Black Shampoo........................................... .......................
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Wu-Forever is a clan classic......
Black Shampoo.......... thats all there is to say
Almost EVERY album comes with some weak tracks... period
that dont make it a shitty album
Stupid shit mang
By the way i find it hard to beleive beat the clock metal lungies and its over are average i think those 3 are hot tracks..... better than Run at least.. but thats me
see thats were u worngQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
good tracks. Beat the clock, Be this way, Metal Lungies, Save me dear, Holla, Tooken Back, Love, Biscuits
average Ghostface
bad tush
thats it
has ghost/rae replied to this diss??
Ok of the good tracks you list - Holla used to be good to me until I heard where it came from and what Ghost actually did. Save me dear has a corny feel to it and the beat is just cheap same goes for love where its just corny. These two tracks I can kind of see what Ghost is trying to do but it just comes of corny. Tooken back is just wrong full stop and Be this way is just another average beat with average raps. Biscuits I have alot of respect for and that track is what Ghost is all about. Metal Lungies is just a track full of cliches. Beat the clock is good for the first few listens and the concept wears very thin.Quote:
Originally Posted by pussy-with-teeth
Ghostface as an average track - I disagree quite simply cuz weak beat plus weak rhymes equal a poor song.
If these songs were released here and there on mixtapes one by one then perhaps its ok but as an album they don't really add up to much. Especially as the tracks he released prior to the actual album are better than most on the album.
Be this way was a hhooot beat and had hot lyrics...whats wong with itQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
the track ghostface has an ill beat imo and his flow was off the chain...the last verses on the second part...wehen he started this mony dont stop get it...till the hook drops in - that was the best flow on the whole album..shit sounded crazy...but the hook was homo i agree on that one
oh and holla is dope..u hate that he raped over a original song ??? well i love it...see thats the opinion
same with save me dear - i think thats the best song on the album - and the beat is the shit - when the sample starts and this"ghostface" pops it - thats one of ghost bests moments eva to me
peace
If you actually read what I said instead of looking past the terminology, I said that his verse was garbage compared to Ghost's verse which doesn't make any sense if you're the one who ghost wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamal Arief
Thats like me and a friend being in the same class with an essay due. I write the essay for my friend in class and when they both get graded: He gets an A+ and I get a D-.
Nevertheless, I like Perb's verse on Ghost Deini. He just can't be serious saying that all of Supreme Clientele was him(meaning he wrote it). Those are his words - not mine or anybody else's on this board.
And for the record, here are the two verses Ghost spit on Ghost Deini:
"Yo, summer time holdin the 9, split the Vega in half
Jeeps rumble and my dogs puff grass
Bank stoppin, high-derox hydrolic
Kid with the most knowledge will obtain to touch top dollars
Hold me down, hand me my cake, dusty, bake, activate
Fuck your corny debates
I'm like cake or maybe like $10,000 rabbits
The kid walked thru, switch up his accent "Now I'm from Paris"
Cash to build, frozen elements in gold
Signs from the most high causes me to break the mold
How the fuck was y'all niggas thinkin? You think I fell off the ledge?
The legendary Ghost Deini might be dead?
Never, Impossible, pull out black burners like tonsils
to Galants, hit 'em if we go to
Bustin at y'all niggas daily
Wall-to-wall, Hawkins
Suckin your teeth cuz God chain-talkin like
Ghostface this, Ghostface that, Ghost sold crack
Now his revelations spoken thru rap
Velour down like the Sheik of Iran
Gasoline CREAM wrapped in hospital bands
Model vans, Michael Davis, it's me against housin
Extraordinary pro-black, sold God creations to control thousands
Catch me at the flicks, Apollo rap Fredick Douglas
You know what? Eh yo, fuck this
Eh yo, how can I move the crowd?
First of all, ain't no mistakes allowed
Here's the instructions, put it together
It's simple ain't it? Well, quite clever
*singing*
Marvin, Marvin, you were a friend of mine
You stood for somethin, ugh
Tupac, Biggie, ohh how we miss you so
We want y'all both to know
We really love you so
Eh yo, I'm Gucci down
Wally boot, Jamaican hat, long 4-pound
Ask niggas how I get down
Don't speak much, deluxe plush
Imaginations hold a note like Willie Hutch
You might've bumped into me on the Riker's bus
Weed in my cheeks, jem in my beauty sleep, sleeve
Dead serious, knowledge by 2% triple geese
Come on, we juggle mic's
Three Card Molly amps, advance the finals
Show these niggas how the way we dance
Hot night, Jamaica
Came thru in a buger green '68 Pacer
Mad paper, high as a fuck, truck
2 rappers got stuck that night
I ain't sayin no names, they know who, thank you for the change(chains)
Outdoor event, New Year's Eve, Cali weed
30 seconds till we tear's the scene
Quick, call my seeds dipped in the crowd
The hoe spotted me, knew not to call my name out
He walked off softly, we exactly
Form like Christ and his disciples
Black fatigues, lethal-faced dunnie, he held the rifle
We had the whole shit shook, your favorite rapper's droppin they drinks
On the low, tuckin they links, we made 80 off the books
How can they even be compared?
Well, I'm sorry, but you were the one who compared them.
And I stand by my word that you shouldn't take Perb's words for face value here. If anything, I would assume that Ghost kinda bit Perb's style a bit, because he likes him so much and started this kinda whiney style at around 98/99 - when ACT came through. I'm almost sure Perb never really 'ghost wrote' whole verses for Ghost, e.g. how could Perb possibly ghost write for PT, when he was actually in jail?!
However, noone knows the truth in that matter apart from Perb and Ghost (and maybe few others), so - as was stated many times before - there's absolutely no sense in discussing this here.
But you should study history to see that the real big names in all fields (philosophy, mathematics, art etc.) always borrowed ideas and didn't invent everything themselves - although they almost always get the whole credit for it, as if in 1000 people there was 999 idiots and 1 genius.
Stop seeing the world in black & white - and this applies to sooo many levels...
Peace.
perb said he wrote for ghost, no one believes it. end of discussion.