Then you shouldn't be criticisng I.M. for this exact reason. I.M makes several refernces to racism that is done by people who are not white.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
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Then you shouldn't be criticisng I.M. for this exact reason. I.M makes several refernces to racism that is done by people who are not white.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
Regardless of one thinks bout Immortal, he still going to remain being dope.
I had a lot to say bout Cuba but fuck it, for what?
I think its funny dudes so heated bout tech, his lyrics are obviously effective...peace
^^^People liking or hating I.M. is one thing. But only taking certain parts of his lyrics and putting them out of context and then saying that he shouldn't live in America and shit is just plain ignorant and wrong.
no doubt but these people are everywhere and aren't able to see the entire truth for what it is, and at the end of the day why drop knowledge on someone who turns a blind eye to it, anger for no reason, for ignorant reasoning is such a waste of energy all I can do is laugh...
i will make this point tho, if the abolishionists (sp?) the civil rights leaders, those who didn't agree with the fucked up policies of their times, should they have shut their mouths and moved out the country, I'm pissed about N.O. should I take a boat back to Cuba?
complacency is like a disease, there's nothing wrong with wanting to better ourselves that in itself is the "american dream"
i have no problem with his opinion on racism and the US(i dont really care about it). i just dont understand how can he praise dictators while talking about the "evil" USA. how is a killer better then another? he wouldnt say stalin is good if he lived in the USSR...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
stalin killed even more people than hitler.:\ how are these dictators better then the US gov?
oh dear. i really don't know where to start. i only wish i had caught this thread when it first occurred. i have soooo much to say.
The one thing about Stalin (and every other so-called Communist leader) is that they begin to carry, or fulfill to what is to be known as "Communism", but end up fucking it up. Every single attempt to bring forth a Communist system has failed, on accountable to mans love of power. And as a result, people take that to be Communism. Every single so-called Communist state has ended up into a dictatorship, which is ironic, considering it's against the Communist ideology. The best way is not to take these people as an example of Communism, but to actually research and study the complete structure to what Communism truly is. And the obvious place to start is by reading the Communist Manifesto. by doing so you will see a very different perspective. Lets put it this way - Karl Marx would have been disgusted with Stalin.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
First of all he is not talking about "evil" USA. He is talking about specific people.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
Stalin was a revolutionary, the son of a shoemaker who rose to become one of the most notorious people in history. Rappers take on persona's of famous people. Stalin was ruthless in that he killed his own for the objective of the greater good (in his opinion though). Thats rap - Rae makes his listeners believe he is the boss of a firm, Ghost makes his listeners believe that he is an OG who is stuck in the 70's and Immortal Technique makes people believe that he is wanting to become the next ruthless revolutionary.
All I.M. is doing is talking - more specifically provoking thought. He is excercising his right to freedom of speach.
called him the fag but have thoughts about him sucking balll?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Naw I think he's tired politically and needs to be educated. I'm not pro american government but I understand it enough to know that he knbows nothing but feeds yall off of sorry but just me opinion
ThaShaolinAssassin
I'm Iranian, and I'm a muslim, damn proud of it too.
And seriously, if you think that Hitler would conquer the whole
world, including my country, which is in middle east, just in case you don't know,
then you got be fucking stupid. SO don't preach to me that your dear
USA stopped Hitler to fuck the world up...
Not even todays USA can fuck middle east up, what makes you
think that Hitler had the power to reach middle east???
Besides, Hitler never hated iranians :)
Iranians are the real arians ;)
LMFAO @ the thread title..
yall can hate on shaolinassassin as much as you want but shouting out stalin is a bitch move and I don't see how anyone could stick up for that. peace
...every wu member has collaborated with white peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
ShaolinDarts
One thing, USA fucked up middle east,
but USA can never CONTROL middle east,
just look at Iraq and Afghanistan...
I love Iran and other nations that don't kiss USA's ass,
countries like Iran, Cuba and North Korea inspires everybody
to stick to what they believe in, and don't let anyone to ruin it.
And you're talking about that the iranian goverment are killing
it's people, and that Cuba does the same, well tell me mister,
do you have proof??? You know what you know because you
watch AMERICAN news, it's their twisted shit...
It's all about propaganda...
If anyone fights the US goverment and know things that he
don't suppose to know, what happens to him?
CIA FUCKS HIS ASS UP....
It's the same thing in Iran, if you want to fuck the iranian goverment,
they fuck you up, they send you to jail or something...
But don't act like USA's innocent in this "killing their own people" thing...
I think that this hurricane is a message from mother nature and God to
the FUCKING goverment that they should TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE
instead of being busy trying to fuck the world up....
I really hope that poor victums of the hurricane gets the help they need,
I pray for them, cuz they truly need it, especially when monkey Bush
is the boss...
North Korea and Cuba inspires everybody to let the poor die from starving while the leaders kill anyone who dares to oppose them. you dont actually belive that north koreans live happily do you?:\Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanha
So what if they have? My point is simple - Don't take someone like I.M's lyrics and then call him anti-white and then ignore lyrics by Wu Tang that can be interpreted in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostfaceKillah199
Why is your post addressed at me? I never said any of those things. Please point out where I said Iranians are being killed by its government? When did I say that Cuba kills its own people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanha
Are you sure you have actually been reading what I wrote?
And your facts are based on? So the media tell you that and you believe it?Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
oh dear...
north koreans dont have any freedom. they are poor and if other countries wouldnt help them probably millions would die becausr the gov buys weapons instead of food. north korea is a mini USSR. you know how did people live in the soviet union, right?
George Bush is a douche. So is John Kerry. Puff Daddy and Bow Wow are both a douche.
^^WORD
but yo Tech is not communist he believes in socialist democracy(corporations cant lobby)
errr lemme drop alittle knowledge on you....first of all most countries in the world that you think are living impoverished are quite satisfied for they are living on much less than the average american/european and desire nothing except to raise their families, i believe tech speaks about it in the The Poverty of Philosophy skit where he saysQuote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
"I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us."
maybe you should really "LISTEN" to his shit before making absurd comments about him glorifying tyrants and have you ever been to Cuba, the USSR, or North Korea???!?!?!
...probably not therefore you have no basis for your words except for what your biased teacher tells you or rediculous right wing Fox news.
Can't say i saw all of this comin' after the readin' the title but i will. Saw it comin'.
Immortal Tech. got skill but i can't hate on him just because i may not agree with his entire ideology. I may not like Bush or his administration at all but at least America still has freedom of speech, regardless of what you wanna express. One of the last good things we have here.
There is no such right as "freedom of speech". That's a complete illusion. It always has it's limits. Malcolm X, Martin Luther Jr, and Fred Hampton can tell you that. Oh wait, they're dead. Murdered by the state for what they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosaic
Very True. It could be that freedom of speech is an illusion. Let's see when Immortal Tech. gets his comin' to him right?
However, let's not forget who Malcolm was killed by...his own people. So while he could have been killed by any crazed white man sooner or later, it was his own people who betrayed him. Shows you how much we bring each other down as minorities. We do face much oppression from the system but we don't do much to help the cause. And those that do are repaid thus. Malcolm was right: "White people can help us but they can't join us...there can be no white and black unity until there is first unity among ourselves". Ironic...reminds me of Socrates' parable of the cave....
give it time... the links may not be as direct, but you can't wash all the blood off your hands...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
oh shoot bro, my fault. I don't take wu or I.T.'s lyrics as racist I misunderstood your post as just stating that wu is anti white. that's my bad. peaceQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
because one is far more dangerous than the other...Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
the side that condemns the taliban for it's treatment of women, yet turns a blind eye to the saudi's (it's biggest middle eastern ally) obviously has ulterior motives...
the side that imposes democracy to improve way of life in one culture, yet sits back and profits off the exploitation of slave labour practices in south east asia has ulterior motives...
the side that fights dictators sitting on 65% of the world's oil 'out of the goodness of their heart', yet gives little aid to a continent rife aids, famine, civil war and governmental corruption has ulterior motives...
etc, etc, etc...
the stalins and hitlers of the world have a shelf life... their methods are too blatant and they bring about their own undoing... they don't have the time to reach and destroy as many lives as an ever-evolving corporate monster...
^^^word
and if you can't aknowledge the reality of my words your just another puppet on the curb waiting to be serve
for the 10th time. I never said he ISNT american or anything. The point is HE contradicts HIMSELF, when he knocks the US government so much, and PRAISES countries in which dont allow freedom of speech. Which he has, BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AMERICA. That is the point, he contradicts himself, either stop praising countries in which don't allow freedom of speech or stop hating America. It actually is nice to hear someone talking about the government, but noone wants to hear a communist.
Stop being arrogant and telling us who is well off and who is not. What makes you think that the whole world wants to be the way you think society should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
And don't make laugh with the they are poor shit. New Orleans inhabitants are poor. They are so poor that prior to hurricane Katrina hitting there was a warning that everyone should leave town. Except a significant enough proprtion of the population is too poor to own a car. So Bush can send armoured trucks all the way too Iraq and no buses to New Orleans? Its all bullshit. Western society ain't the "dream land" its made out to be. In the last four weeks look at the fires in Paris - all in immigrant buildings cuz they are so badly built, Look at New Orleans - a 44% drop in their funding for safety to fund the war in Iraq. That is the price of 10,000 lives in America - 44% of the budget. And you telling us that I.M. should praise this?
I.M. only writes and speaks of support. The US actually do support non democratically elected governments with human rights violations e.g. Pakistan. I see no reason why I.M. can't speak about such topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
dats real fucked up........listen to the dance of the devil n creation&destruction..u'll get goosebumpsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ten Fold
"Media manipulation in the U.S. today is more efficient than it was in Nazi Germany, because here we have the pretense that we are getting all the information we want. That misconception prevents people from even looking for the truth."
Mark Crispin Miller
"From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries, caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
William Blum
"The United States is a society in which people not only can get by without knowing much about the wider world but are systematically encouraged not to think independently or critically and instead to accept the mythology of the United States as a benevolent, misunderstood giant as it lumbers around the world trying to do good."
Robert Jensen
"Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you're stupid. Did you hear that? - stupid." - Arthur Sylvester, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, 1965
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So you mean people in amerika don't suffer????
What do you know about people starving in North Korea and Cuba?
You know what you know because of your american tv,
and Amerika is in war with those countries which "starve and kill" their
people...
Don't you find it strange american television talkin about
the wrong things in those countries which is in "war" with
american goverment....
I mean, do you know where Swaziland is?
A country in Africa, with MUCH BIGGER problems,
and nobody GIVES a shit...
Swazilands goverment is corrupted,
more than 60% of the population have aids,
but USA, do they talk like "We gon free Swaziland" from their leaders???
FUCK NO!
Because Swaziland don't have SHIT, they are poor...
But Oil countries like Iran and Iraq,
you hear constantly american bullshit about
that the allies should "free them" from their leaders :)
I own both IT's album and I don't see where is he giving praise to North Korean standard of living.
The only point I see where he contradict himself is when he's giving a shout out to "the sources" after saying he won't suck any magazine off just to get 5 mics
you guys really dont understand what im saying or what?:O you always talking about the bad-bad US gov to me as if i said theres nothing wrong with them.
all i said is IT probably dont know shit about the people he praises because no sane person would say that stalin or any other dictator were good.
also iam not fooled by right winged tvs like fox because i couldnt watch them even if i wanted to.:>>
and i actually know how "happily" did the people live in the USSR and the other socialist countries...
You prove our point, sure Bush couldn't give the hurricane as much attention as he could because his armies at war but how much attention has N.korea given its starving people? None. Infact Parades and public displays have a high mark on the budget then programs tht help people in N.Korea. Bush is atleast making an attempt, it's not enough and there's only so much he can do, but he's trying to help his people, unlike the countries Tech praises. BTW Paris is thousands of years old the buildings are understandably out dated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
Does N.Korea and Iran give a shit about Swaziland? Half the shit that the U.S. does? thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanha