Why is eating swine bad?

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06-21-2009, 01:38 AM
SubConsciousThoughts

I think it's naturally, my bad for forgetting to answer it in my last post.

Even without pesticides and steroids in our foods there would still be a health risk if you consumed too much of the same thing.
06-21-2009, 03:18 AM
LORD NOSE

are you saying that eating filth is good if done in moderation ?
06-21-2009, 01:57 PM
diggy

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Through time eating cake all the time could hurt you..

Are you saying Muslims can't eat cake?

Did I really say that or did you say that?

The human body would eventually breakdown. Filling it with junk, makes it breakdown faster than it would without junk.

Pure food is not equivalent to impure food. You speak as if all foods have the same properties and cause the same effects. You lack knowledge and intelligence.
06-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Luza

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Pure food is not equivalent to impure food. You speak as if all foods have the same properties and cause the same effects. You lack knowledge and intelligence.

no, he actually says, that pork is not the only type of food, that can be harmfull in long-term.

and further could you explain why he lacks intelligence?
06-21-2009, 03:45 PM
BGS

i discussed the same question with a friend of mine who is a muslim and she said a lot of already mentioned stuff plus because that swine can not look up to the sky and cause the body structur is similar to the human body...don't know about this...
06-21-2009, 04:47 PM
diggy

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Originally Posted by Luza

no, he actually says, that pork is not the only type of food, that can be harmfull in long-term.

and further could you explain why he lacks intelligence?

Give examples of food in it's natural state (untampered by man) that is harmful to humans other than pig meat, IF U CAN. This goes for you too, subconscious!!!
06-21-2009, 04:56 PM
diggy

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Any food consumed enough could lead to negative health affects weather it be processed or unprocessed, meat could led to an array of health problems weather it's processed or not from Heart Disease to Colon cancer. While vegetarian diets have a low amount of protein in them as well as Vitamin B.

Point is with everything we eat we put ourselves at risk in some way shape or form.

List some negative health effects of all foods please.

You seem to not know too much about food to say that veggie diets are low in protein.

Ever hear of rice and beans? Lots of protein in that.

Ever heard of hummus? Again, lots of protein.

Ever heard of eggs for vitamin b? Some vegetarians eat eggs. High in vitamin b.

What are the harmful effects of eating all foods please?
06-21-2009, 05:46 PM
AcidPhosphate69

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There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs will be killed

That one is completely false. I'm a cook and that is way off. At about 170 degrees, nothing is living. Shit, if it's not pink in the middle, you're good but the lowest you can really safely serve something is around 140 degrees. Not to mention that other meats contain that shit too, not just pork.

Oh, one more.

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http://www.ensignmessage.com/images/Redball.gif Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

Also, not entirely true. Pork meat, when you trim off the fat, tends to be leaner than beef. True story, look it up.

Baseless lists of "facts" all done up with nice text and colors doesn't mean shit when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Those are just ones I know off the top of my head. I'd encourage anybody else to follow through on that dudes sources.

EDIT: FUCK I MISSED THIS ONE BUT I KNOW THIS.

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Give examples of food in it's natural state (untampered by man) that is harmful to humans other than pig meat, IF U CAN. This goes for you too, subconscious!!!

The answer is.....celery. HAHA, it's true. If you ate, only celery...you would starve to death. It actually costs more calories to chew and digest that you get back from the celery.

Oh my god, I'm owning you guys with the food stuffs. Seriously, I love being a professional cook.
06-21-2009, 05:52 PM
LORD NOSE
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

um the interpreter was using basic common sense when making that statment "that all foods are fit to be eaten"

is everything food ?

swine is not food

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

really there is not much else JESUS could be meaning when said "its not what goes into aperson that makes them unclean" he is talking about food among other things aswell.. obviously he is not saying you should be a glutton or a drunkard or a drug addict but he is in fact saying that " IF YOU ARE STUCK IN THESE HABITS" you will not be considered unclean by GOD...but rather its what comes out of you"the way you behave" that determines whether your clean or not.....not if you eat pork or drink to muck or take drugs....which if you think about makes perfect wisdom because you could obstain from all these things and be a real jerk to people but what because you dont eat prok or drink or take drugs you are considered good in Gods eyes... that is flawed logic ....no GOD does not care about things like that anymore he has given a new command which is to love you neighbour as you love your self...this is what matters to GOD not whether you eat to much cake or whatever....now that is perfect wisdom.

i understand the wisdom in the saying -

you can abstain from pork and still be ...wrong - true

but what is sickness and what are the effects of the parasite being lodged into your muscles,spinal fluid, brain ?

are you saying that the god of these scriptures changed his mind
1. Isaiah 66:17
  "Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following the one in the midst of those who eat the flesh of pigs and ratsand other abominable things—they will meet their end together," declares the LORD.
  Isaiah 66:16-18 (in Context) Isaiah 66 (Whole Chapter)
did jesus say that its now ok for people to eat the flesh of pigs and ratsand other abominable things ?

throughout the scriptures, the enemies of the Israelites were always trying to get them to eat the swine - have they succeeded by giving to you and me a book claiming to have jesus's words in it ?

the part in parenthesis that says (in saying this jesus made all foods clean)

equals this -

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18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

those words in parenthesis are added words telling us what he/she thinks jesus meant by what he supposedly said

Jesus didn't study and follow the new testament
he went by the old books of the old prophets
he read and followed this scripture right here
1. Isaiah 66:17
  "Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following the one in the midst of those who eat the flesh of pigs and ratsand other abominable things—they will meet their end together," declares the LORD.
  Isaiah 66:16-18 (in Context) Isaiah 66 (Whole Chapter)
06-21-2009, 05:59 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Through time eating cake all the time could hurt you..

Are you saying Muslims can't eat cake?

through time smoking crack could hurt you

but since the crack head likes it, he should do it

as long as it feels good to you, you should do it

right ?

sure muslims can eat cake - cake isn't a forbidden delicacy
swine is a forbidden thing to eat according to the religious peoples scripture
06-21-2009, 06:01 PM
AcidPhosphate69

edit:double post
06-21-2009, 06:02 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

While vegetarian diets have a low amount of protein in them as well as Vitamin B.

not true
06-21-2009, 06:05 PM
AcidPhosphate69

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but what is sickness and what are the effects of the parasite being lodged into your muscles,spinal fluid, brain ?

Seriously? Literal parasites? Check my above post. That's a complete lie. Fact.

Religious reasons aside, there is absolutely no reason to not eat pork other than individual tastes. If you believe you should not eat it due to your religion...that's your right and I respect that. Just don't tell me I'm wrong because I don't follow your ideals.
06-21-2009, 06:06 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

not true

Yes true...

Of course you could get the proteins from Vitamins but I was speaking about just food not Vitamins and shit..
06-21-2009, 06:08 PM
AcidPhosphate69

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif
not true

Yes true...

Of course you could get the proteins from Vitamins but I was speaking about just food not Vitamins and shit..

Actually, Sunny is right. Beans are an extremely good source of low fat protein. Also, nuts and other legumes.
06-21-2009, 06:08 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

through time smoking crack could hurt you

but since the crack head likes it, he should do it

as long as it feels good to you, you should do it

right ?

sure muslims can eat cake - cake isn't a forbidden delicacy
swine is a forbidden thing to eat according to the religious peoples scripture

So what your saying is eating pork is equivalent to smoking crack?
06-21-2009, 06:09 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

That one is completely false. I'm a cook and that is way off. At about 170 degrees, nothing is living. Shit, if it's not pink in the middle, you're good but the lowest you can really safely serve something is around 140 degrees. Not to mention that other meats contain that shit too, not just pork.

study how the trichina worm protects itself
then come back and discuss with us

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

I think it's naturally, my bad for forgetting to answer it in my last post.

Even without pesticides and steroids in our foods there would still be a health risk if you consumed too much of the same thing.

but we are not discussing taking in too much food/over eating

we are discussing taking in a disgusting animals flesh as food
06-21-2009, 06:13 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Did I really say that or did you say that?

The human body would eventually breakdown. Filling it with junk, makes it breakdown faster than it would without junk.

Pure food is not equivalent to impure food. You speak as if all foods have the same properties and cause the same effects. You lack knowledge and intelligence.

Obviously eating pork could be more dangerous then other food but I wasn't speaking about the different levels if you read what I was saying you would know that.

My entire point was eating any type of food could lead to health risks and as far as naming food well I'll give you a few articles considering I don't feel like typing that much today...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._organic_foods

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...rd-818585.html

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...food-safer.php

Those are organically grown foods.

I'll be happy to get more sources if your in need of any.
06-21-2009, 06:16 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Seriously? Literal parasites? Check my above post. That's a complete lie. Fact.

Religious reasons aside, there is absolutely no reason to not eat pork other than individual tastes. If you believe you should not eat it due to your religion...that's your right and I respect that. Just don't tell me I'm wrong because I don't follow your ideals.

what is cured meat - and why does it have to be cured ?

if you are saying that swine isn't known to carry parasites, you are misinformed

you are not wrong for eating pork
just misinformed

its also said that its consumption makes the person irrational and brash

have you done any study up on the swine ?

i mean have you really gone and studied the effects of eating swine
and how the pig is made up ?

if you never gave any thought to this until this post, i suggest you research it a lil bit
06-21-2009, 06:17 PM
check two

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Yes true...

Of course you could get the proteins from Vitamins but I was speaking about just food not Vitamins and shit..

People can definitely get all the vitamins, minerals, etc. they need from a vegetarian diet. The only thing that might need to be supplemented is B-12.
06-21-2009, 06:17 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

but we are not discussing taking in too much food/over eating

we are discussing taking in a disgusting animals flesh as food

See I wasn't talking about that either..

If you have the same diet everyday it'll affect your health and that includes eating mainly green foods everyday as well as eating meat everyday. Fact is there is no one diet that is completely void of health risks, just like there is no one person who is perfect in every single way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is nothings perfect..
06-21-2009, 06:18 PM
AcidPhosphate69

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study how the trichina worm protects itself
then come back and discuss with us

I don't need to. I am a fucking professional cook for a fucking living. Cooking ANY meat to one-hundred-seventy (170) degrees completely kills anything.

Now, look it up yourself and then you can fucking come back and tell me something.
06-21-2009, 06:18 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Yes true...

Of course you could get the proteins from Vitamins but I was speaking about just food not Vitamins and shit..

lol - so are you saying that you can only get protein from meat or man made vitamins ?
06-21-2009, 06:19 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

So what your saying is eating pork is equivalent to smoking crack?

no - thats not what i'm saying - but i'd rather smoke crack
06-21-2009, 06:20 PM
AcidPhosphate69

Seriously, I want you to look that up and prove me wrong. Please.
06-21-2009, 06:21 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by check two

People can definitely get all the vitamins, minerals, etc. they need from a vegetarian diet. The only thing that might need to be supplemented is B-12.

They could get all the vitamins by consuming actual vitamins, protein as well as B-12 isn't heavy in the vegetarian diet so people must take actually vitamins to compensate for the lack of proteins and B-12 in there diet.

The entire point was even with a vegetarian diet you aint getting everything you need.
06-21-2009, 06:24 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

I guess what I'm trying to say is nothings perfect..

understood -

you are what you eat -

right ?

we want the best of foods to eat

the pig is a walking toilet and was made to eat the dead from the surface of the earth - it was not made for food - yes it can be made to taste good - but with a little seasoning, so can a cat - hey, would you eat dog and cat ?
06-21-2009, 06:24 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

lol - so are you saying that you can only get protein from meat or man made vitamins ?

No you could also get it from seafood, milk, cheese, yogurt, eggs, beans, etc.

Point was in a vegetarian diet you aint getting the necessary amount of proteins.

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

no - thats not what i'm saying - but i'd rather smoke crack

Hey I'm just going along with your sarcastic behavior..

I think I'd rather eat pork then smoke crack.

And I just wanna say I'm actually having ribs tonight.
06-21-2009, 06:28 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

understood -

you are what you eat -

right ?

we want the best of foods to eat

the pig is a walking toilet and was made to eat the dead from the surface of the earth - it was not made for food - yes it can be made to taste good - but with a little seasoning, so can a cat - hey, would you eat dog and cat ?

If I liked the taste sure...

Seriously though those animals are pets I don't think Ima have a pig for a pet any time soon..

And I think we could end this "debate" here because we clearly have different beliefs as well as diets I personally love meat and if it tastes good I'll eat it (That's what she said btw) and I know I'm healthy because I also watch how much of a certain food I consume and how much protein, vitamins, etc I am getting. So I guess we can conclude with as long as your careful and make sure you don't over eat and get the shit you need you could eat whatever you want (Edible food obviously).
06-21-2009, 06:30 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

I don't need to. I am a fucking professional cook for a fucking living. Cooking ANY meat to one-hundred-seventy (170) degrees completely kills anything.

Now, look it up yourself and then you can fucking come back and tell me something.

relax son -

you are a cook, not a scientist - scientist say that the pig is full of parasites - the cook in a kitchen can receive a certificate from a place that told them they need to know a few things

what exactly are you trying to kill - and why eat something that has something in it that needs to die before you eat it ?

cured meat ?

you cure diseases, right ?

so ok - after you burn up the worms in the flesh of the pig, you eat it - nice - very nice -
06-21-2009, 06:32 PM
check two

A lot of people have pigs as pets too.
06-21-2009, 06:32 PM
diggy

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

The answer is.....celery. HAHA, it's true. If you ate, only celery...you would starve to death. It actually costs more calories to chew and digest that you get back from the celery.

Celery not having the nutrition humans need does not make it HARMFUL, it makes it deficient.

Celery does NOT cause HARM to humans!!!

Do you know what harmful means?

I suggest you look it up.

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Give examples of food in it's natural state (untampered by man) that is harmful to humans other than pig meat, IF U CAN. This goes for you too, subconscious!!!

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Obviously eating pork could be more dangerous then other food but I wasn't speaking about the different levels if you read what I was saying you would know that.

My entire point was eating any type of food could lead to health risks and as far as naming food well I'll give you a few articles considering I don't feel like typing that much today...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._organic_foods

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...rd-818585.html

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...food-safer.php

Those are organically grown foods.

I'll be happy to get more sources if your in need of any.

Hey subconscious, I said "Give examples of food in it's natural state (untampered by man) that is harmful to humans other than pig meat"

Ecoli is not from veggies. It is from animal waste being blown by the wind onto plants and soil that plans use.

Also, the links you gave do not indicate veggies to be in their natural state. Pesticides are used on them and other tamperings from humans.

Let me post the challenge again:

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Give examples of food in it's natural state (untampered by man) that is harmful to humans other than pig meat, IF U CAN. This goes for you too, subconscious!!!

IF YOU CAN!!!
06-21-2009, 06:33 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Point was in a vegetarian diet you aint getting the necessary amount of proteins.

lol - thats not true -

hey - where does the cow get its protein ?

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Hey I'm just going along with your sarcastic behavior..

I think I'd rather eat pork then smoke crack.

And I just wanna say I'm actually having ribs tonight.

i wasn't being sarcastic - at all
06-21-2009, 06:33 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by check two

A lot of people have pigs as pets too.

And I'm sure those people wouldn't imagine eating pigs just like we can't imagine eating cats or dogs.

I mean other cultures eat cats and dogs and they do so because they don't see the animals as pets unlike us.
06-21-2009, 06:36 PM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

And I think we could end this "debate" here because we clearly have different beliefs

nah - i didn't tell you what i believe

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

as well as diets I personally love meat and if it tastes good I'll eat it (That's what she said btw) and I know I'm healthy because I also watch how much of a certain food I consume and how much protein, vitamins, etc I am getting. So I guess we can conclude with as long as your careful and make sure you don't over eat and get the shit you need you could eat whatever you want (Edible food obviously).

if you want to include the meat of a walking pus machine into your diet, so be it -

i dare you to stop eating pork and its byproducts for 4 months
then eat it again on that 5th month
06-21-2009, 06:37 PM
Brick Thunderbird

Niggas love swine. When you try to tell them to leave it alone they get upset because they don't want to part ways with the pork chops and ham sandwiches.

I had a relative from Alabama visit me a few months ago. He's country as hell so he eats pork, catfish, and all other types of abominations. We had a discussion about it while he was here and he defended the swine like his firstborn. He didn't really like any of the food I buy so he spent most of his time grabbing stuff from fast food joints and restaurants. I don't think I saw him eat one meal without pork in it. The connection between his poor health and diet can't be a coincidence. He's only one year older than me and he's constantly running to the doctor for something.
06-21-2009, 06:38 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

lol - thats not true -

hey - where does the cow get its protein ?

i wasn't being sarcastic - at all

Yeah it is, vegetarians may get protein but they aint getting as much as meat eaters and the amount they get are usually lower then most people would call "healthy".

I'm pretty sure the Cow holds natural protein but I could be wrong because I'm no expert on food really.
06-21-2009, 06:39 PM
Prolifical ENG

Pigs are consumed because out of a handful of animals, they are one that was easily domesticated along with cows, sheep, goat, chicken. You cant domesticate bears or lions. Dogs were domesticated first. After the others were domesticated, few bothered eating dog. Only on the America continent they only had 1/5 of those easy to domesticate animals and that was dogs.

For now if eating swine is bad is a different story. Im just saying why pig is so common to eat.
06-21-2009, 06:40 PM
diggy

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Originally Posted by Charles Barry

. The connection between his poor health and diet can't be a coincidence. He's only one year older than me and he's constantly running to the doctor for something.

Oh ya, there is a big connection between what we eat and our health. Some peeps in this thread don't wanna acknowledge that.

Shame.
06-21-2009, 06:40 PM
SubConsciousThoughts

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

nah - i didn't tell you what i believe

if you want to include the meat of a walking pus machine into your diet, so be it -

i dare you to stop eating pork and its byproducts for 4 months
then eat it again on that 5th month

Seems like you may be religious while I'm an atheist..

I never said eating pork was healthy that wasn't my point, point was any food comes with health risks.

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