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went on vacation.. came bakk and listened to the album with a blunt..
couldnt believe it... i was hating haaard on those 4 singles that dropped before.. that shit was super wak (ruckusbminor, keep watch, ron o neal, reunion)
BUT every other trakk on the album is fire to me!!! (11 trax!)
dope flow with the music, some creative chambers there, im very surprised!
havnt really listened to the lyrics yet...
40th Street Black is a fuckin toxic track. They disintegrated on that shit
Flow is demonstrated the best. All members flow on this has that charasmtic shit relevant to Forever. Crazy
rapreviews.com put their review up and this was in there
Ghost Dog was trash, wtf??Quote:
For somebody that has followed the Wu-Tang Clan and their vast family tree through thick and thin, and has spent their hard-earned on trash like "Tical 2000" and "Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai"
Tical 2000 trash ???
That was a very harsh review. I thought they would've given it a 7/10.
Anyone got the cd booklet? Is there a pic of the clan?
^ all pictures from the booklet can be found in good quality @ Discogs:
http://www.discogs.com/Wu-Tang-Clan-...elease/6365968
i honestly don't understand what most people expect from the Wu.. to me this is a real solid album to say the least, there's a couple of clunkers, some corny lines and some beats that just don't work but overall this album gives me a good feeling, and to me it's just a blessing to be able to hear the entire Clan rhyme over new RZA and 4th Disciple tracks. i've seen mad comments that call this album out like it's the worst piece of shit of all time, i'm seriously baffled...
to me the LP flows very well, RZA's production is definitely on point for the most part, a lot of interesting ideas that's for the most part executed very well.. a few banging cuts that for me brings back the grimey classic Wu ("Crushed Egos", "Pioneer the Frontier", "Necklace"), some ill use of live instrumentation coupled with RZA's diverse sounds without straying too far from the tried and tested formula, and a bunch of great verses from the Clan (INS on "Miracle", GZA on "Necklace", Raekwon on "Crushed Egos", etc, etc). to me this is much, much closer to the classic Wu sound than "8 Diagrams" ever was (although as you might know i LOVE the production on that album, though vocally it was lacking unity)
what's funny is that the long time fans of an artists often seem to be super critical.. check out DJ Premier forum where a lot of people are shitting BIG TIME on the new "PRhyme" album, while people on here use that as a measurement for what RZA should strive for
I'm baffled how one could find this to sound even in the same ballpark as the classic Wu sound or formula. It's so far removed it may as well be a different genre. As evidence - even their own members don't want to take credit for this album's sound. All I expect from a Wu album is them to make Wu-Tang music.
But I digress, I'm glad this album can be appreciated.
Proves how much you simply underestimate the wide range of influences that go into the Wu sound. RZA in particular, of course, is intereseted in much more than narrow forms of hip-hop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
The question at the end of the day is not whether it's Wu or not Wu ('cos it clearly is the same people on 36 and on ABT), the question is whether it's good music or not. And that will be revealed through time. For example the number of people enjoying 8D is increasing, not decreasing.
No, it doesn't though. I know very well. And what does this have to do with my quote? I said it in no way follows the classic Wu-Tang formula - do you disagree? I know Wu have many influences, much the same as mine actually, that doesn't mean they don't have a sound that they're famous for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitche Manito
Let me put it another way. If Wu-Tang did a 100% autotune album, I'm sure there are people who would like it, because there are some people who like stuff like that. It would still be Wu-Tang making music, but it wouldn't be what they established themselves as.
If you like ABT for what it is that's great, I personally don't. I'm not trying to shit on it all the way, it has a couple good tracks but I'm just trying to make a point.
its definitely not that classic "Wu" sound. anyone trying to defend that it is, would be wrong. it has elements of it that show up on certain tracks though like Necklace or Crushed Egos, even Hold the Heater.
but its been known for a while that RZA isn't on the same page as Wu fans. the Clan also is going a different direction musically. but they all show up and play there part on ABT.
I just don't think they are all where they were 20 years ago, so we will never see that untamed hunger. and that's really what the root of it. as fans that's what we want to hear
exactly what i meant, there's definitely elements of the classic Wu sound in here on songs like "Pioneer the Frontier" and the tracks that you mentioned, but of course as an album it doesn't sound like the original round of solo albums. but it does have some Wu trademarks, the hooks on tracks like "Ruckus in B Minor" are very Wu-esque for example, and i like the mix of socio-conscious lyrics and street/punchline stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE MASON
whatever it is, it's a good album to my ears and i'm happy with that. it's not mindblowing but it doesn't tarnish the Wu-Tang legacy the slightest in my book (though that doesn't seem to hold true for the majority unfortunately).
GZA is the MVP on this for me btw, he killed whatever he jumped on. really brought the energy he lacked on a lot of "recent" projects such as 'Pro Tools'
My daughter sums up Miracle with this quote.
"Daddy, Why did wu-tang hire "Boys Who Cry" boy band to sing on Miracle."
I almost fell out laughing so hard.