I had this argument with my mom several times.
My mom believes that most people are born evil and greedy, I believe it's something they grow into.
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I had this argument with my mom several times.
My mom believes that most people are born evil and greedy, I believe it's something they grow into.
I couldn't tell you why it happens as I'm not that way but I've got a feeling that no matter how well you teach someone, greed will still bring its ugly ass around sooner or latter. I think it's closely related to those who crave power. An tangible object is held as value, the more value you hold the more power you have. I don't think you could ever get rid of it, only hold it in check.
i would agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
except for the fact that there is something more interesting than property
and somehow
we have been tricked into ignoring it
greed rules this current society
only because we dont know better anymore
^greedy people at the top keep it in motion. I personally place a much higher value on spiritual worth because it can't be taken and it can't be lost unless you let it happen. But most of the world's problems have already been solved ( infinite, non-polluting energy sources, for one) but they haven't been executed because a group of energy mongols likes where they are and will do whatever it takes to keep it where we're at today.
people do need things to live but instead of thinking how you can get more you think of how you can help others. if everyone thought on that level everyone would be taken care of.Quote:
Originally Posted by LHX
people now have a consumerist attitude and they overconsume without giving back.
stuff isnt the problem, not even money is the problem, its greed. the attitude of entitlement taken too far.
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Originally Posted by TeknicelStylez
I don't want to spend my life growing food. do you know how much work it entails? you want all people to be farmers? doesn't sound like a very interesting society...what about those lazy people that want to grow? would you just give them a portion of your hard earned food? what if they steal from you? would have a police force or is this a society without cop? if you have cops, how can they grow their own food when they are busy patrolling? you would have to pay them....etc.
holy paranoia batmanQuote:
Originally Posted by denaturat
it is frightening to see peoples reactions to a real life
your body is designed to till fields
and take naps
and daydream while you work
you prefer this robotic shit?
8 hour shift with a half-hour lunch?
what do you mean by 'not interesting'?
whats not interesting about letting your mind be free?
What do you think police have been keeping the mean streets safe since men were in caves? Police are a modern thing, only been around since the 1800's and they started out as a gang. Communities are more than capable of policing themselves, it's very simple.
we think in such a similar way. that guy you said this too is expressing an all too common sentiment - that is to be disgusted and immediately discredit the abnormal. it's normal to us to have a 5-0 presence. and this is shown as a good thing to the majority of the people. so when someone suggests a lawless society then... sheeesh! how dare those people think like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by LHX
Whats so hard about protecting yourself and your community from criminals? We live in a society nowadays where my neighbor lives less than 2 feet away from me, yet I don't even know his first name. If we lived in tight knit communities where we banded together and met to discuss areas that needed improvement than surely if there was a problem with a certain individual causing a disfunction in our small society, we could weed him out as a whole and rectify the situation by ourselves instead of paying a group of people that we don't know to police us, and condescend us on a daily basis.
its a valid objection. your reply does not disarm my argument. not all people want to be farmers. I don't want to be a farmer. I want to be more involved in affairs of my society. If I spend hour working in the fields, i will have little opportunity to develop myself fully in other respects.Quote:
Originally Posted by arto
furthermore, you would be simply bored to death living on the farm - just eatings sleeping and procreating. in such a condition, you would be no different from an animal. human beings need challanges to develop fully as human beings. if there is no reward for reasearch, how do you expect people to advance their knowledge? you need differentiation. some people are smarter than others, some work harder, some are ambitious and some are lazy, unmotivated and unproductive. in a society where everyone just hangs out, there is no reward for the genius, and thus such individuals potential would stagnate. no one would want to be a doctor or a scientist if he or she is treated the same as an average person whose concern is only his belly and loins.
be realistic. your theories are impractical and nearsighted. you offer no meaningful solutions.
your society would be primitive without meaningful division of labor. you would not flourish as a civilization. look at the components of all great civilizations in history. yours would be a society of mediocracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeknicelStylez
you already are a farmerQuote:
Originally Posted by denaturat
the only difference is that you do it indirectly
and you there are illusions that prevent people from readily seeing it
no different from an animal?
what about our capacity to create?
imagination?
what is genius?
work harder toward what end?
be ambitious to do what?
flourish as a civilization?Quote:
Originally Posted by denaturat
what does that mean?
is this flourishing?
so why doesn't everybody just be a bum? forget about careers and prosperity and knowledge; just be a flat out bum that just preaches until he dies. there's a thin line between knowledge and human nature.