ohhh man,i remember the Ugod hate season...yall aint seen shit yet till you see those threads,they really got him
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ohhh man,i remember the Ugod hate season...yall aint seen shit yet till you see those threads,they really got him
I like Ghost cuz his flow is dope but I do agree. SC has had pretty much full rotation in my CD player for a long time now and More Fish and Fishscale just make guest appearances once in a while. While, I must commend the man for really trying to bring back the Wu...I think bringing it back would be appealing to the people who know that mainstream hip-hop isn't the be all, end all of rap.
Co-sign. :mmmyah: This is one of the most puzzling threads I've read on this forum. I use to think, especially among Wu fans, that Ghostface was unanimously regarded as a consistent artist. Even his worst album is well above average. Not saying he needs to be your favorite Wu member (let alone favorite MC) or anything, but Ghost is clearly a very creative artist who still keeps you guessing as to what he's going to add to the mix. His wordplay has become much more focused since Supreme Clientele, which in retrospect is a bit of an oddball album in terms of Ghostface's lyrics compared to his other works. The most hardcore Ghostface haters always say "Ghostface is wack because he doesn't make any sense. None of his lyrics on Supreme Clientele make any sense!!" And that's the ONLY album from which that argument applies. Ghostface himself said he doesn't understand all the lyrics on Supreme Clientele. He was, however, perfectly understandable, albeit less versatile than nowdays, on Ironman. His albums post-Clientele are also perfectly understandable. Unlike alot of artists with several albums under their belts, BPW/Pretty Tony/Fishscale sound nothing alike. That alone should earn Ghostface props for no being boring. Also, since when does every album have to be in the same style as Ironman or Supreme Clientele to NOT be considered great?Quote:
Originally Posted by murkoutz
Saying Ghostface fell off is really like saying Nas fell off. Sure he's not spitting like he was on Illmatic, but during those days he wouldn't have put together tracks like Black Zombie or Rewind. Same with Ghostface. Sure he's not spitting like he was on Ironman, but during those days he wouldn't have done tracks like Underwater or Tony Montana. Ghostface has expanded well beyond the dimensions of stuff he use to spit. His flow speaks for itself, and is MUCH sharper now than it was on Ironman (flow-wise he isn't much different now than how he was on Clientele, but he switches it up more than he did back then). His topic range has become much broader and, in alot of ways, more underground. I hardly see how that's a bad thing considering even if he was spittin' like 50 he wouldn't go double platinum regardless.
Somone please move this to the Bring Da Rukus section, where it belongs.
Are all of his verses worthy of Ironman or SC? No.
But UNLIKE the other Wu members, he is actually releasing material with some promotion.
It took one of them 15 years to figure out how to compete in the music industry. If Method Man had released 421 in the same manner of Fishscale, that would have probably been the album of the year.
i just hate his flow nowadays. he sounds like shit all whiny and slow. he use to sound so amped like he was ready 2 fuck a nigga up. he fell off big time as far as im concerned. at one point i thought he was the greatest wu member. he aint even in my top three anymore.
How was he NOT whiny on Supreme Clientele? If you claim to enjoy his flow on that album, how can you not enjoy his flow nowadays (furthermore, nowdays, flow-wise, he switches it up much more than he did back then). You're straight up lying sayin' his flow is slow nowdays (at least, it's no slower than it was on Supreme).Quote:
Originally Posted by harm77
but, not anymore right? That's my point. Who's waiting for Mr. Xcitement 2? You guys are waiting for ghost to drop a couple more albums so you can bash him some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeru
fishscale had bangers
more fish has some nice tracks
the fact is, he can rip most rappers out today, you put him on a track with someone else, he will shine if not outshine the rest
"how the fuck was you thinkin?
you think I fell off the ledge
the legendary ghostdinni might be dead?
neva impossible! pull out black burners like tonsils"
nuff said...
I've never thoroughly enjoyed Ghost as much as I did on Ironman and Supreme.
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Originally Posted by beautifulrock
see i dont get the obsession with diversification or experimentation. i like experimental music alot, an artist that constantly changes what they do interests me, but experimentation for the sake of it useles if the music doesnt sound good. ghost's experimentation with more mainstream stuff on the fish albums didnt sound good imo. listen to the first verse on "Be Easy" to know what im talking about.
im not hating on ghost, as i said i liked a few tracks of both of his recent album, i just can't how people call him consistent. the quality of his work changes alot, not only from album to album, but during albums.
its not about hating on him, i just think he needs to make some better decisions in terms of style, beats, concept etc.
in the end as with everything music related it is subjective, i guess some people may like his new stuff more than older shit which is fair enough. but he is not consistant.
with ghostface its a mixed bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
one half of fans think he's one of the greats and the most consistent, the other half think he hasnt done anything that good since supreme clientele.
everyone pretty much agrees that u-god's albums arent that good so there's no need to constantly debate on something that everyone agrees upon.
Golden Arms Redemption is a classic
I somewhat agree with the thread starter. Although I still think Ghost is one of the best, he still has it lyrically, his subject matter seems to be the same throughout his last few albums. Fishscale was his last great album, not taking anything away from More Fish, but Fishscale is really great (notice I didnt say classic. It's a great album. Supreme Clientele is classic.) I think he needs to chill a little with all the cocaine stuff. But then again, maybe it's Def Jam, as someone else previously stated. Young Jeezy & Rick Ross is what's selling these days so it could be that Def Jam is pushing Ghost into that direction. His past couple of albums have all been strictly cocaine talk (save for a few songs like "The Strap", "Underwater", "Greedy Bitches" and "Alex"). I think he should of left it at that on Fishscale and came with another theme on More Fish. It sounds like he's taking steps backwards instead of forwards. Whatever happened to the feelings you would get when you first heard "Cobra Clutch" or "Mighty Healthy".
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Originally Posted by B O T
one thing ive learnt from this forum is that everyone disagrees about everything.
there are people who really like "Mr. Excitement".