Could be combination of a pretty average beat and forgettable lyrics along with a boring flow.
And an overall corny vibe.
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Could be combination of a pretty average beat and forgettable lyrics along with a boring flow.
And an overall corny vibe.
I love that beat
To each his own tho
Sweet jesus Ready to die is more than classic its a hip hop bible and is far from over rated!! For those who are unaware hip hop started life in its musical form in the bronx, new york as a means of self expresion and a release from the harsh realities that poorer areas (the hood) had to offer. Young people would gather together at block parties where dj's would wow the crowd with there newest break beats. Eventually people would pic up a mic and start expressing themselfs in a rythmic way about how they were feeling and how the music made them feel! After a while popular mc's would learn to become more poetic and start to rhyme whilst expressing themselfs. As the art of Rap music grew and became more popular it took natures natural course amongst young people and we would witness a new quest for who was the better dj/mc and thus Battle rap was born. Battle rap bought about a more serious aproach to how an individual would express him/herself and the need to prove there rhyme skills were better than anyone else.
The buzz of a whole new musical form starting from scratch in a poor area of new york obviously would spark media attention which it did. Now the whole world has got to learn about hip hop and rap music which would lead to the comercialisation of rap music. Rap music is now a big industry selling millions and millions of records which of course becomes under the control of people that cant relate to it because they havnt lived the lifestyle that bread the artform, the record execs!! What this ment for hip hop music was they would push artists into "there" way of thinking which of course the artists would agree to because they couldnt afford not too and we ended up with hip hop music based around sales and shock value rather than pure self expresionism.
Years later along comes Puff Daddy who leaves a big label to start his own label with the intention of giving his artists artistic freedom so the music was pure (ok we all know he turned bitch and birthed the shiny suit era lol)!! Now Ready to Die was his first release on his label and Biggy was obviouly hot on the underground putting out real hip hop and thats what we got. Puffy and biggy gave us real hip hop back, simple break beats and pure self expresion from one of the best to ever do it ............ real hip hop was back and it was back home in the bronx. Ready to die turned rap music from "Im the best" back to "I aint shit but Im gonna be the best because of it and thats what inspires me to be the best". This was the reason why this album was so popular because it was a good old fashioned rags to riches story told told by a master of the craft insted of just "I am the best" which people had goten used to. So yes it deserves its classichood because hip hop was and is more than just the music!!!
Point being...
A lot of really really good albums, with great music on them, throughout all genres of music have had:
- no influence
- no impact
- received no popularity
- received no acclaim
There are albums which no one remembers.
It doesn't make them any less great to someone who thinks they are great.
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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
that its a classic which dipicted an era
Sure.
I agree.
Doesn't really have anything to do with the quality of the music though.
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Originally Posted by TheWolf
Nobody said you gotta want to listen to it now. But dont disrespect it and make yourself look ignorant about Hip Hop historys. If you dont like hip hop then you dont like hip hop, fine. Anyway your point here is dumb, thats like saying Im not feeling Jimi Hendrix cus I wasnt around when he did his thing, so I'm not interested.
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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Now your stretching for your own relevance in the debate. You pulling points out of nowhere which have no relation to anything. You also sound like a typical underground fan who wrongly is believing the music thats underground is better than the popular music. Its not. Most underground music isnt influential for a reason.
Hip hop back then wasnt about quality tho it was about self expresion through music. That being said tho The one thing about an album being of classic status from any genre is that it marks a period of your life which is normally your teenage youth cos you have fuck all else to care about but your old enough to start finding out what music you like rather than what the charts tell you to like. So I can understand why its not a classic to some heads in here cos I am not big fan of Marshall Mathers but stlightly younger peeps in here herold it as a classic.
Unfortunately you have categorised me as an "underground fan" which seems to imply from what you have said, that i have no tolerance for good music that is commercially viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED
This is not true.
I like whatever music i think is good (stating the obvious i know).
Whether it sells or not is of no interest to me.
The points i made have relation to this "conversation" in that many people are citing the influence and impact of Ready To Die as a contributing factor to it's musical merit.
I was simply making the point that these aspects have nothing to do with the merit of an album musically (and i did say it was a hip hop classic, it's not a point of contention to me, contextually it was a huge album.)
I never said underground music was better than commercially viable music or visa versa, and i don't see how i was driving at this either.
I was just saying that it is POSSIBLE for an album to have no impact and still be great.
Commercial success doesn't preclude musical greatness.
Most truly underground music isn't influential, because not many people hear it.
Maybe not many people here it for a reason (and i could speculate as to what this reason is, but it's beside the point).
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Originally Posted by 7thgrandmantis
Its true though music you grow up with always sticks with you. Its like The W is probably my favorite Wu Tang album because when it came out was when I was like 15 and it marked alot of cool shit that was going on then. It was my soundtrack more than possibly better albums like Forever and 36 chambers.
theres a very big line between classic and great which a lot of people fail to understand. Some albums are great and classic at the same time tho but classic is something that comes with age, like you can throw it on and re live old memories and shit cos you bumped it so hard when you where living the best time of your life. Great just speaks for it self its timeless, young kids will pick it up and be in awe of it generations later.
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He's just saying that he 'thinks' it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick
How is that a 'sad display'.
Because you think dissimilarly?
Yeah, making blanket statements with no explanation is much more constructive.
No, Fuck You 'Slick'.
Low blow man, low blow.
I know i haven't got as many as TSA, but i am working on it, but yeah, you are right.
You didn't state your opinion about the album
Just some other irrelevant shit.