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TheBoarzHeadBoy
That's not a fair statement and you know it. Its a shame we ever came to the American Continent, but it happened, it was bound to happen, and the things that happened have happened for thousands of years when cultures meet one another. Either they integrate or one gets destroyed. America pretty much had the latter happen.
I see you doing your part by spreading your version of history. You are trying to drown out my voice here. You do not acknowledge your own bigotry which this post is littered with.
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For the same reasons you died to smallpox. The environment was alien to us and the white leaders were idiots. But you weren't unified. You didn't resist with coordination and because of your own weaknesses and old hatreds against one another you didn't beat us. Had the Native Americans been largely united and fought a cohesive war in the beginning you'd probably have the United Nations of America instead of the USA. But you didn't fight a proper war. You didn't have a Ghengis Khan, but Tecumseh came damn close though, he could have been the Alexander the Great of his people had he been born a little earlier to unite the tribes and destroy the Colonies. He had the brilliance, the heroism, and he and the prophet to unite them, but he came too late. Had he been around a few decades earlier he'd have gotten a better shake.
I did not die of smallpox.
LOL Natives were unified and organized. We did not hate each other. There were some tribes that had their differences, but we did not have the wide scale wars that were happening in the eastern hemisphere.
Your version of Native American history is warped. Many tribes defeated the United States Government in War. They were making it hard for the US to expand and the natives wanted peace so they could protect their families. The U.S. wanted them dead because they wanted gold and land which is why they lied in the PEACE treaties. Some of those treaties were actually forged by white settlers, dressed as natives to get them the 3/4 male vote that they needed to pass. It was genocide.
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They didn't have modern technology or communications with other parts of the world. I'm not saying they were inferior, only behind. I said they weren't stupid, they just didn't do the things we did. They didn't need to. But it would have helped a lot if they wanted to keep their independence. If they had more unity and organization they would have had a bigger population from farming instead of a mix of farming and hunter gatherer. They were living the way man is supposed to, but it didn't get them any favors against the colonists. If there were more natives you'd have won. But there weren't because you had a thinly populated largely stone age people against a heavily populated gunpowder armed invader. Bows were like 10x the weapons that guns were. Longer range, better accuracy, and much higher rates of fire. The fact we ever made guns boggles my mind but we did.
The telephone was invented until 1870.
The internet was invented a hundred years later.
LOL modern communications? Really?
Here we again with that we shit. You didn't do anything, guns were invented in China.
You are correct though, they weren't stupid, just humane. They never encountered people that would just kill with no regard for human life.
You call GENOCIDE winning?
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I'm just saying its complicated. There were many claims to different pieces of land over time. The Europeans have claims to the land which is approximately as far west as the Louisiana purchase was. Are there any exact dates of how long specific native american tribes had claims on certain regions. I mean the Natives didn't even understand the concept of land as property because the population hadn't reached densities that created those sorts of ideas. If they didn't think they owned the land and someone else thought they did wouldn't that other person own it... just out of logic.
Out of your warped logic I suppose.
The Natives didn't understand ownership of land because it wasn't in their culture, don't get it twisted.
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Yeah, cuz they luv people who are Irish Catholic and Eastern European descent so much...
Just because I think Native Americans got screwed by history doesn't mean they should get their land back. I don't think the Jews have any right to Palestine by God, but they took it by force, so I guess they have a right to have it until someone throws them out. But I'm not going to support them.
Its not like white people have a grudge against native Americans. The only anti native american thing I've EVER heard was my uncle was saying that Connecticut was getting shafted because the natives don't pay taxes to the state for their casinos or something like that and that it was really hurting the school system's budget where he lived. And it wasn't even anti native american, it was anti government for running things badly.
Get their land back? LOL They never lost it. You think just because the government has a piece of paper they own the land? You think that land can't open up tomorrow and swallow your home? You don't think a tornado won't drop on your home? What about a flood to wipe your house off the face of the earth?
Why should natives pay taxes anyways? You should be paying me taxes.
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To my knowledge whites have no problems with Native Americans. We just have curiosity about them since full blooded natives are not a big part of the population.
This exactly what I'm getting at. I was going to say this in my first post but I thought it was being unfair, so I erased it- Some white people want natives to be a curiosity in a museum next to the neanderthal exhibit. They don't acknowledge are contributions to history, science, culture, government and how we contributed to this countries growth.
