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you can say this, and i will take it no further than your personal interpretation. can you show me that this is more than just a personal interpretation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kephrem
(i am aware of dinosaur's being mentioned, it is in the book of Job, but that verse does not challenge my theory).
Like I said, and to quote you, its all 'mans vain opinion'. There are different ways you can interpret almost every Bible passage so who are you to think that your 'opinion' is the right one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kephrem
The more you say, the more close minded you reveal yourself to be.
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Originally Posted by Koolish
The Adam that I'm referring to here and who everyone thinks they're familiar with was not the first man according to the book of Genesis, and this can be proven first by understanding Genesis 4:14. Here Cain (being a fugitive) feared that ''EVERY ONE that would find him would slay him''. The next verse (Genesis 4:15) we read of the Most High putting prohibitions on people that happen to bump heads with Cain. It says in Genesis 4:15 ''Therefore WHOSOEVER slayeth Cain vengeance shall be taken on HIM''....then it further says that the Most High put a mark on Cain ''lest ANY finding him should kill him''.Quote:
1) Adam wasn't the first man.
If you would continue reading to Genesis 4:17 and then skip to verses 25-26 the whole theory taught for centuries by the churches that Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel were the only people on earth would be utterly exposed as a LIE.
''And Cain knew his WIFE''..... (Genesis 4:17)
''And to Seth, to him there was also born a son''... (obviously men don't give birth, it's saying he, like Cain, wifed up one of the daughters of the other people and had a son -- Genesis 4:25 &26 )
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.Quote:
2) Adam was a nation of people.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This verse here will prove none of what I said is my interpretation and that you havn't really been taught or have truely studied the Bible.
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, AND CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM, in the day when they were created.
This is point blank saying that a people were called Adam. None of the bullshit churches are teaching this, only the Black Israelites of 125th street, or those groups which are/were offshoots of them.
The Adam mentioned in Genesis the 2nd chapter was a man that was chosen by God (Genesis 2:7) whose given name was the same name of his nation, the nation that he was a part of -- THE ADAMITES. An example I can give is a descendent of Jacob also being named Jacob after his ancestor, after the progenitor of his nation. In other words this Adam (Genesis 2:19) was named after the nation of Adam. (Genesis 1:26-28 with Genesis 5:1-2)
Your theory is not even in the realm of a challenge. The waters of Genesis 1:2 is talking about the primordial elements of space.Quote:
(i am aware of dinosaur's being mentioned, it is in the book of Job, but that verse does not challenge my theory).
additional scriptures:
The original people, nation of Adam i.e. the Adamites, and the chosen man Adam were dark brown skkined people - Genesis 2:7 ''dust of the ground'', Jeremiah 14:4 ''black unto the ground'', Ecclesiasticus 33:10 ''all men are from the ground''.. (in the Authorized King James 1611 edition Apocrypha) The soil of the ground is what it's referring to, the rich black/dark brown soil of the earth.
The Bible wasn't meant to be read like a novel. It's like a puzzle (Isa 28:10), full of parables (Mat 13:13), dark sayings (Psa 49:4), and symbolism. (Genesis 3:1)
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Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Nah you fool. Tell me how you can interpret thou shalt not be a faggot, and the faggot shall be put to death. Go ahead and try and interpret that one and condemn yourself.
Im sure there would be people out there who would say death may mean a social death. Some passages, like the one you pseudo-mentioned are what would appear to be to the point. But most of them are not so distinct and straightforward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kephrem
I completely agree with Kephram on his first two points. And Nicky, the bible was never meant to be read in a straightforward manner. Number one, all the books were written by different people at different times. Number two, after all the translations the original text has gone through do you really think that you can gain understanding of this complex piece of work without looking at it in it's original context? And third, within the very text itself the bible tells us to lean not unto our own understanding. Riddles, imagery and metaphor was (and is still) used to try to explain things that the average person was never meant to understand. Just think about this: today human's use less than fifteen percent of our brain mass. The prophets in those times had to have been operating on a different mental plane than we are now. Things we try to seperate and study were never meant to be seperated, so now we look at an incomplete picture and swear that we're looking at the big one.
And Nicky, how can you dispute the gay thing? I could have sworn that Sodom and Gammorah were destroyed because of men trying to know one another (in the biblical sense). There's no way you can show us anything to validify that kind of behavior.
It's silly to believe that people today don't operate on the same level of the people in ancient Palestine. Speak for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by .5KutSkeleton
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Originally Posted by Kephrem
Mormon Jesus Says:
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Originally Posted by .5KutSkeleton
Is there any way you can show us that Homosexuality is wrong without quoting from the bible or any other book for that matter?
CS: so if we're to advanced, how come we still can't explain Stonehenge or even how the pyramids were constructed? The melted sands in Russia? The natural science that the Chinese and ancient citizens of Kemet practice(d)?
I challenge you to show me another species on this planet that naturally exhibits homosexual behavior. One of the main purposes of sexual activity is the continuation of the species. I fail to see how homosexuality promotes this. The family stucture is MAN, WOMAN, and CHILD. MAN and MAN produces no seed...
Why am I explaining how homosexuality is wrong? Are you advocating it?
You can't explain Stonehenge, pyramids, etc. There is someone out there that can.Quote:
Originally Posted by .5KutSkeleton
Monkeys, dogs, snails, exhibit homosexual behavior-the list goes on.
A family structure is not Man woman, child- it's a group of people caring for each other.
A family can consist of- Man, woman, woman, woman, woman, woman, child, child, child, child child, child, child, child, child child, child, child, child.
or
Man, Man, Woman, child, child, child, child, child, child
or
Man, Man, child, child, child, child child, child, child, child
or
Grandpa, Grandma, Grandpa, Grandma, mom, dad, mom, dad, child.
The family structure isn't the issue- it's producing seeds that don't have a family structure to rely on. With all the orphans in the world, we don't have any right in saying they shouldn't be allowed to have loving family- homosexual or not.
As for advocating homosexuality-
Yes, I don't think there's anything wrong with being Gay. Homosexuals are people too, and I've dated several lesbians in the past. I welcome their lifestyles.
the knowledge parts in the Bible are cool
but anybody that believes in almost everything in it will get straight up slap from me...ok, maybe Jesus existed, but he sure wasn't doing miracules everywhere he went....
plus the bible was one of the tools for enslaving other religions :/
A lot of animals display homosexual conduct - but none more then the Human animal.
Genesis 8 - 14
8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,..........
Maybe by the middle of 2009 we can all say that we have read the whole Bible
Not all dogs go to heaven... ;(Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
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I'm sure he was speaking of people in the ancient world in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS
And why you quote what I wrote to NickyTooch and post faggot cartoons behind it? Are you saying you agree with homosexuality? You a berdache son?
Yeah, you a faggot. Fake ass native american with a berdache feminine spirit native archtype in his sig. Way to rep the ancestors fraud ass nigga.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS
ok. so animals may exhibit homosexual behavior. and ur right, people that exhibit homosexual behavior are still people. i'm just sayin that the homosexual lifestyle doesn't seem natural to me. (HUGGAH u crazy for that verse!)
CS
u right about the family structure, it is important for all children to have a support system like that, regardless of their sexual orientation. my issue is that if a child grows up in a homosexual household there is a larger than normal chance that they may begin to exhibit the behaviors of their "parents" and engage in the lifestyle themselves, continuing the cylce. more and more homosexual couples are adopting children (kudos for caring for the children) but if this trend continues to increase, more and more of our population will be entrenched in this questionable lifestyle.
How can you welcome a lesbian's lifestyle anyway? hers is centered around women treating women like men (or women, whatever the case may be). now if you're talking about being with multiple women at the same time (like the ancient kings did with harems and all that) THAT would be a lifestyle i'd endorse! ^O^
personally what makes the whole homosexual thing weird is the way homo's seem to deny their original gender, enough gay men act like women, enough gay women act like men. not all of them do, but i assume the majority of them are like this.
To my knowledge, there's no research proving that children raised by homosexuals are any more inclined to become gay themselves than children raised by heterosexuals. Why do you consider it a "questionable" lifestyle? It's a totally victimless crime as along as the adults are consenting, so I don't think it really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by .5KutSkeleton
Not all lesbians act like men just as not all gay men act like women. You continue to prove your complete ignorance with your blatant stereotypes. How can I welcome a lesbian's lifestyle? I really don't fucking care. Are they doing anything to bother me or anyone else if they want to treat women like men? No.Quote:
How can you welcome a lesbian's lifestyle anyway? hers is centered around women treating women like men (or women, whatever the case may be). now if you're talking about being with multiple women at the same time (like the ancient kings did with harems and all that) THAT would be a lifestyle i'd endorse! ^O^
And I hope your last comment is a joke, otherwise you just continue to prove what a backward-ass, misogynist individual you are.
Gender roles are largely a construct of human society. Other than basic physical needs, there's nothing in nature that mandates all men must act like macho, grizzly providers for the family and all women must act motherly, like pretty things, and cook food. That's just how human society evolved. Sure, it's an extension of sexual attributes, but at the stage human society is at now, there's no need for the strict dichotomy of the sexes exhibited in early human societies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolish
Basically, a feminine man may bug you, but he's causing no harm to anyone by acting that way. And, I'm not totally sure, but I'd be willing to bet that most gay people wouldn't consider it "denying their gender" but rather it never felt natural for them to play that gender role.
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Originally Posted by Cthulhu
your anger/frustration will not allow you to see the truth in his reply - he covered all the spectrums of "gayness" - seemed to hit a nerve in you -
its mostly the result of an imbalance caused by trauma, bad food, and foul ideas put into a childs head at an early age - low self esteem,self destruction - but its so much in style and acceptable in western societies culture that you can be a proud homosexual and you can promote homosexual behaviorQuote:
Originally Posted by Cthulhu
just like murder and mayhem is promoted and accepted in this society
kill someone, go to jail, get respect
hustle someone out of their money - get respect
there are all types of sicknesses in society and we are all infected with something - why kill the gay man or woman before you kill the lier and gossiper who spreads dirt in the community ?
why not kill the adulterer first - the one who breaks up families
pimps get respect before a gay nigga who ain't fuckin with no one ?
what about the crack dealer ?
the mentally iLL psychopaths ?
the cheat and swindler ?
who is gonna throw the first stone ?
This character Cthulhu dissing harems yet defends homosexuality. Only in America. (spiritual Sodom Rev. 8:11)
I'm dissing harems because it treats women like property. I'm not for anything that infringes on someone's individuality.
And please, tell me how homosexuality is in any way the same thing as murder or drug dealing? What is a homosexual doing to personally cause harm to you?
And seriously, Sunny Winters, do you just make shit up? Where do you get such bullshit statistics?
And yes "only in America", well probably most of Western Europe too, but thank god I live here and not in Iran or Saudi Arabia where they physically and psychologically torture anyone who's different.
Homo culture is being propagated to the world. That's how it's like murder and drug dealing. It's being fed to the younger generation through the media. And like these vices (and destructive practices) nature has a way of weeding out those who engage in such things. (A.I.D.S )
And don't thank God, thank the internationalists that hate America and her brutish citizens/slaves/cattle, the Elite families of Europe who set this country up as a new occult paradigm/world. The new Egypt. Sodom, Babylon the Great, new Rome, 'New Atlantis', Sin City, the Empire state, the Big Apple, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations on the Earth.
And FYI the Saudis are the servants of the Pope, the Rothschilds, ENGLANDS 'ROYAL' FAMILY, and yes America.
I have never in my life had a gay person bother me or rob me or try to hit on my. To blame gay men for AIDS is ridiculous, especially on this forum were there are plenty of theories as to how and why AIDS really started.
Do I think gay sex is perverted? Yes, I do, but alot of the thing heterosexual do for pleasure is perverted as well. Look at how much money the porn industry makes. I'm guessing gay porn isnt the top seller.
Your views on gays and others reeks of fanaticism, supremecy and downright ugliness. You have become what you so often seem to loathe.
Straw man. No one was talking about Africans. The WHO injected segments of that population in Africa decades ago. We're talking about the homosexual population across the board. The walking virus and devil (the white man) throughout the 70's introduced the disease via clinics to people of color in certain cities of the U.S., Brazil, Haiti, to weed them out, and to weed out homosexuals period. (even though the financers who had this weapon developed from natural diseases perhaps found in a African monkey species, are themselves homosexual devils- the Elite families of America and Europe who want to preserve your species from genetic annihilation, who had this developed as a military weapon, perhaps from a natural disease that God allowed your mad scientists to discover to let nature run its course (through YOU, the DEVIL) in order to kill off the unatural and those living destructive lifestyles) But I don't expect your linear mentality to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
And? what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Tell us where in this thread someone ''blamed gay men for AIDS''.Quote:
To blame gay men for AIDS is ridiculous,
You obviously have much to say on the topic in your defense of it.Quote:
Do I think gay sex is perverted? Yes, I do, but alot of the thing heterosexual do for pleasure is perverted as well. Look at how much money the porn industry makes. I'm guessing gay porn isnt the top seller.
Not only does this cat defend baby rapists, but Sodomites as well.Quote:
Your views on gays and others reeks of fanaticism,
Supremacy? The hell you talkin about now?Quote:
supremecy
lol @ ugliness. Straight up on some Oprah/morning talk show bitch shit.Quote:
and downright ugliness.
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You have become what you so often seem to loathe.
Tell your faggot friends to stop promoting that shit in Hollywood, TV, all media, politics, and to children in elementary school and then maybe you'll be left alone to do your devlishment.
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Originally Posted by Cthulhu
what statistics ?
hey, you still mad ?
lmao
Again, I blame myself for even responding to you Kephrem. I have known about your ignorance. I wonder if you are this loud about it in public? I doubt it.
Why does everyone use this "you mad" comment?
Is it just something you use when you don't have a response? What do you achieve by pointing out that the other person is angry? Sure, I'm angry because this forum is filled with retards who spread ignorance.
Wow..............just.........wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Kephrem
How is homosexuality destructive?
and you are the light that sets these retards straight ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthulhu
you mad ?
lol
I heard they stamp kephrems face into gorilla cookies.
its shit like this that helps us bring this all to a closeQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Thats a line from the movie outsiders genius.
really ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
never seen that flick
was it any good ?
No light. Just a dude who calls bullshit when he sees some of the stupidest drivel he's ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
so let me get this straightQuote:
Originally Posted by Cthulhu
you are in a forum full of retards
you know where you are and you know that everyone here is retarded
so what you do is tell retarded people that what they are saying/typing is bullshit and you expect these retards to get it ?
is this your function here ?
to be the light that sets these retards straight ?
are you mad ?
lol
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