Albums used to b special because they were worth it
These days it's really rare to find a full album that is worth it
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Albums used to b special because they were worth it
These days it's really rare to find a full album that is worth it
Certainly not to listen to a fucking hip hop album.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
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Originally Posted by CL2coming
I could see Tarantino buying this and hopefully he would get it pressed for fans.
Or like the wuki package just 36,000 fans pay 100 bucks each to reach 3.6 mil and Cilva gets it pressed.
Guys, first of all.. Try looking deeper into the idea ok? It's really an incredible approach, read the CONCEPTUS part on scluzay.com and try to understand that this was done for the benefit of all music, not for my pockets or fame. The model as we know it nowadays in music, is simply not sustainable. I'm trying to make great music, but at the same time do something historical and beneficial for the game.
Furthermore, look at how much press we generated with this one article today. This has been unreal. The writer of Forbes Zack Greenberg got a congratulations from the head honchos at Forbes for an incredible story, calling it "an extraordinaire coup for Forbes".
The article, which I believe is still number one at Most Popular Articles on Forbes was getting 10.000 unique reads per hour and then went up even more. They told us it was equal to Grammy Awards / Super Bowl Halftime / Justin Bieber stories. As far as numbers go, that's incredible. Not just for me, but for the Wu, the brand.
This has rocketed the Wu back in a way thatcant be denied. Within minutes we the story snowballed to Time Magazine, RollingStone, Complex, Billboard, XXL, Vibe, MTV, VH1, The Guardian, Spin, NME, The Verge, Hot97, etc etc etc... and it's still going..
This is great for the brand and I always knew it was going to explode, but never thought it would explode like this.
The concept is genuine, we really want to try and revive the perception and value of music as a work of art and therefore have to give the same trajectory to this album as any normal art piece, from creation to exhibition to sale. The story, which is based on the Renaissance form of music exploitation, is a very unique one and that's why it's gone viral the way it did.
This is the first step. And this is brilliant marketing which I created with the help of some very notable individuals, and Im very proud it worked so well around the world.
Leave it at that for the moment, then allow us to make more steps with it. As I always said, this is just the first part, just an announcement. The plan has been carefully drafted for years, so there is more to come, including hope.
Don't just knock it down with some negative BS. Try to engage to see it for what it is and can be. I understand people are frustrated, dont blame ya. But it's bigger than all of us, and if things go right, all will be happy sooner or later.
Wu Tang haven't given a flying fuck about the fans for about 15 years. We get the wack off cuts for A Better Tomorrow though.
The public will get to enjoy it, only not from pressing a download button behind your computer, but in a space that we dictate. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though and it's great there's already so much debate!
a lot of things would have to work just right for this to be a huge success, but if they did, wu-tang will be the first to have done it. it's been a long time since the wu has been "the first to...", it would be amazing if they were able to do something this monumental 20 years later.
cilvaringz, just curious, how much of this musuem/tour thing was your idea and how much was it rza's or others?
The only people who want to be enjoying this you've flipped both fingers at with this move.
Releasing ABT is the biggest insult in all of this. I'm not buying that half arsed bullshit knowing the real release is locked away for some millionaire and that maybe one day if we beg enough like peasants the museum tour will reach Sydney and I can pay double for a 1 time listen :lmao:
hey ringz .. just wanna let you know SHOGUN/Kinetic 9 are MAD @ u on FB
https://www.facebook.com/shoguntha1s...0?stream_ref=1
https://www.facebook.com/shogun.assa...52310932312430
All of it was my idea, the entire thing, but media has a way of spinning things.. all good though, it's for a greater than myself.. official follow up interview with rollingstoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
This reminds me a bit of the 1983 album Music for Supermarkets. Was composed as background music for a art exhibition, single copy was pressed and sold, masters were destroyed and later it was played once on the radio.
Cilva - How extensive of a museum tour are you planning? Worldwide? Are you planning a bunch of US locations? Have you actually had discussions with any museums/venues yet, and are they willing to accommodate?
planning worldwide yes.. all continents... as many places as we can hit
The future of music isn't paying $50 to listen to an album in a museum.
Cool to get this much publicity - friends of mine who don' t listen to rap but know I like Wu have been sending me links to this article all day.
But, fuck, man. We want to hear the music, and we can't. It sucks.
There's not much debate...everyone is saying its a shit idea...no offence but it's not even rza produced right? Its basically your album with wu affiliates...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I'm not sure how much free time I'll have being in the new version of the Beauty and the Geek show coming out, but we shall see.
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Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain
first of all it was a cilvaringz album, then ringz talked to rza about it .. now it's a rza & ringz wu-tang album? huh? if rza's NOT involved .. there's no forbes article, good job ciliviringz for using the rza and his name like that since he did nothing on this album and you're a no name
ay yo ringz.....
if us wu corp retards all pitched in and got you somewhere upwards of $150 could we get some copies. you know we are your peoples first & foremost. dont sell out to these rich crackers.
i, myself, would be willing to throw down $50, but i want my own copy of this joint.
i heard theres a beat rza made out of the sounds of madonna pussy farting into the mic on this epic piece of art. sounds like another trendsetting callabo.
I'd pay 10 dollars for this venue, or 15 maybe, that's it. I like the idea, but the entire concept has to be different than Power's corny art shows.
At least we'll see who's the richest Wu fan out there.
While it is genuinely an interesting idea, which also brings to light the fact that music is no longer given the value it's deserved, We now live in a society of instant gratification.
I cannot see this working, it's not an experience like going to a Show, photos, women, drinks, drugs, etc...
It's paying $50 to go to a gallery with a pair of headphones on (Rza Headphone marketing guaranteed) after being strip searched..
Regardless of that, It's Ringz work, The man has the right to do with it what he will, Pointless people crying over his choices.
Just look at this like most Wutang related material of the last 10 years, a complete let down.
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Originally Posted by Origin™
it's also pointless to do 5 threads about this album, asking the fans what they want, saying the album's coming soon for the masses then reading this forbes article ... #MONEYHUNGRY
I can't believe how many Wu stans are on here pissing their pants over some new material, these are the same guys who have bashed every wu release in the past 15 years. Your that eager to hear some new Wu joints you will pay $50 to hear it once in a museum?
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What if Drake buys the only copy? And puts RnB hooks on all the tracks and replaces the music with production by the Weeknd?
So this is why the Wuki package thread was deleted ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammin
"In a space that we dictate"
People don't consume music in the same way as a painting. Its part of peoples daily lives. I want to listen on my home stereo, headphones anywhere i like, in the car, the club etc.
Music is built on repetition, if i can only listen to a song one or two times before some cunt selfishly locks it up in his house, i might as well not listen. Who is travelling to different venues every day to check some new music out? I'm telling you i will literally listen to my own music and my old cds instead.
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Originally Posted by SKANK HILL
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The concept will flop so hard....And Cilvaringz will always be remembered and for eternity as a dick. From day one.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/att...1&d=1349977907
The guy want to be famous so bad that he found this publicity stunt, write a full biography of himself on wikipedia few days before the forbes article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cilvaringz
and take all wu-tang and RZA credits for his own purpose : be famous.
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Originally Posted by Antonelli
damn bra, u really got it in for cilva,
gotta admit i dont think cilva has EVER had this much publicity.
kill it.
Everyone round my parts thinks this is the new wu tang/ABT LP, way to go rza
This sure does receive lots of attention.
I agree that only rich people should get to hear what Wu Tang sounds like these.
Meth said it at the end of A Better Tomorrow:
"But envy, greed, lust, and hate, separate
Though the devil mind state blood kin cannot relate
No longer, brothers, we unstable
Like Kane when he slew Abel, killing each other"
They were talking about this shit on the radio at work tonight, in Australia. I didn't really catch any of it, but yeah, it's obviously being discussed pretty widely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
However, none of that is worth a shit, because none of those cunts talking about it or listening to other cunts talk about it are actually gonna go and pay to sit in a museum and listen to it.
It doesn't matter what your motivations are, it's a really shithouse, unappealing idea to sit in a museum and pay a lot of money to listen to an album once, at your will, and then not get to hear it again until it's somehow leaked on the internet. And believe me, it will be leaked, somehow, probably very quickly.
And how's it gonna work anyway? You play the shit straight through and the listeners have no control over pausing it or anything? Sounds like torture. What if you need to take a shit? Do you just miss out on a few tracks?
I don't think you're doing this shit for money. It'd be fucken stupid because it's not gonna generate money at all. And I don't think you're doing it for fame either. In fact I actually believe your motivations are genuine as you present them, but you're still asking people to pay a lot of money to listen to an album once, which no matter how you defend it is gonna come off as being enormously pretentious and unreasonable.
People might be talking about Wu-Tang now, but who gives a fuck? Their time is well and truly passed. Like well over a decade ago. Those same fags will be talking about whatever else is cool next week, and Wu-Tang will go back to being exactly what it has been for the last decade, and Cilvaringz will be travelling the globe sitting in empty museums asking himself "what the fuck was I thinking?"
Seems like something Kanye would have planned, but while at the same time seriously believing in it within his version of reality, Cilva seems to be saying its all for publicity. That's pretty cheap.
i hope ABT being wack doesnt interfere with this concept... like ppl playing ABT thinking "thats it, im done with wutang"
maybe u should ask Rza to push that shit back for a year or 2..
also ppl are getting These 2 Albums confused, like mentioned
There's 2 albums?
A Better Tomorrow is the actual Wutang album and is getting released normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost In The 'Lac
The one with only one copy is Cilvaringz' Wutang album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_for_Supermarkets
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Music for Supermarkets (Musique pour Supermarché) is a 1983 album of instrumental electronic music by Jean-Michel Jarre. It is notable for having only a single copy pressed, and the subsequent, deliberate destruction of its master plates, effectively making the copy unique.