Jesus christ…GZA couldn’t even come through for this one, pathetic….they re-used a part of ‘Six Directions of Boxing’ for his short ass part that acts as a slow break between Deck and Cappa.
Shaolin vs Lama remix does not fit the mood.
That Lion’s Roar track is fire though, U-God sounding like he did 10-15 years ago!
I mean i wanted to like it
lions pit and mandingo are fire. Claudine is dope. So yea its what i wxpext i guess. 1/4
i really like those 3
rae mk joint cool. Meth benny joint cool.
lions pit totally diff than the one rza played on radio
but rap burglars no. Og version remixed was easy layup
Gza verse is from rush… from maths second albim.
wildstyle suoerfreak!? Ugod … on dolemite. Cap goes off but why… this is like rookie level digging
that rza verse on that song with willie old too. Its from hold the heaters on abt
half the album features old verses used on big wu songs… not even like good hidden shit.
cmon man
Beats are boring too.
reused shit not used well. People here make better blends of songs.
Think GZA is from Jedi Mind Tricks collaboration ages ago. And like Forensikz said below me, UG Wildstyle Superfreak is Dolomite. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk
RZA verse on the track with non Wu guys is Hold The Heaters. lol
This shit is as a whole feels pretty lazy.
Rae MK track is outstanding tho. My favorite
I tried liking it too. I wanted this to be great, but would have settled for it being good. Turns out it is just….weird. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Cleopatra is by far my favorite track off this. Claudine, Mandingo and Warriors Two are good. Lions Pit beat is a step down from the demo we heard.
The rest is just too much recycled lyrics for me to really enjoy. I do like almost all the beats. But Math could have easily just released an instrumental album with the same artwork gimmick thing, slapped a W on the cover, and still would have banked big. And then he wouldn’t have had to claim this was a “new” album.
Feels lazy as hell. Squeezing the most money out of the same lyrics. Weak.
Yeah Cleopatra is easily the gem and I never heard the original of Lion’s Pit so to me it’s very good, maybe because I think RZA & U-God are the worst and my standards are very low.
Math’s albums have always been remixes and some new stuff, but this time since he claimed it’s like a sequel to Saga Continues and has every member, I thought it would be different. False advertising for sure and a big slap in the face for any fan who bought the LP for some crazy prices. I’d return it immediately. But I didn’t have high hopes to begin with, but at least thought GZA would come with something new.
Yeah definitely lazy and to call this a new Wu album is the most disrespectful shit.
https://youtu.be/AEo1mtTwClg?si=TFb03Z-fMo3UepEbQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk
This is the demo of Lions Pit without G Raps verse. Starts at 1:08 mark. I was hoping for this same beat just cleaned up and better quality. So that’s why album version disappointed me. Still decent tho.
Someone with serius and a good setup can prolly get the lions pit demo good wuality. I just ripped it 123 with what i had. Didnt think it woulda been a one off we wouodnt hear again… fuckin rza always does that. Fid it with wolves too
anyway. It should be the wu wednesday from the week of my upload above.
Damn that's disappointing there are reused verses. That's frustrating for those that paid $80 US for the custom vinyl. I would be passed personally
Wu Tang is definitely not for the children anymore, these dudes are still about that $$$
Beats are cool, and some of the tracks are good, but the reused verses are fucking lazy.
Its a joke charging what they charged for this. 84 CAD I paid for this. Dont give a shite about the one off covers or variants either, just give me good new shit dammit.
Maybe its rsd success (?) will get them all to get together and commit to a release going forward, even if its just providing new verses.
The more I hear about now I start to question myself if I really want it.
If its like I read its a lazy m80 release that I probably skip. Well see.
I don’t know what the big deal is.
Anyone who thought they were getting a Wu album is dumb, it’s a mathematics album, with clever marketing, making people believe it’s a brand new Wu-tang album, tracks like Claudine and mandingo are decent, and 100% better than anything of mathematics earlier albums bar “respect mine” song & “thank u” song of love, hell and right!
Usually his releases are littered with eyeslow & Buddha bless, so what we have here is 100% better and hopefully the hype and clever marketing and unique sales will get the clan off there arse for one last proper album
It’s a mathematics album no more, no less, if you see it like that you won’t have an issue
Nobody thought they were getting a new Wu album. Not on this forum at least. lol They thought they were getting a new Mathematics album. The key word here is “NEW”, not Wu or Math. Everyone on this forum knows their catalog, so when a NEW project is announced as “brand NEW material from the Wu”, and one song is a bunch of non Wu cats and RZA verse from Hold The Heaters?! That’s pretty disappointing. And a pretty big deal to those that spent their money on this. I agree that the beats are good and at least one really great track Cleopatra (noticed last night MK drops a hint at his next single off his new album Balance, “peep the features, Snoop and Meth….glad to meet ya” His next single is called Pleased To Meet Ya ft Snoop and Meth lol) But the rest of the album is riddled with reused material. Just put out an instrumental album, or just a few singles like Killarmy did with Winter Warz 2 and Splitting Atoms. No try to fill an album with exactly that; filler. He could’ve had a nice string of like 4/5 really great singles, with artwork and all that stuff. This was lazy. And sorta insulting to the fans intelligence. Anyone on the fence about spending money on this should listen to the leaks first. And don’t feel bad about listening to them. Cuz Math and RZA certainly don’t feel bad about trying to sell the fans old material on a “new” album.Quote:
Originally Posted by leegriffo88
hmmm .... i will just say to each his own .Quote:
Originally Posted by leegriffo88
Where’s Hollow Dartz when u need him? “Retire” he would say. I haven’t even heard it yet but reusing verses shouldn’t even be a thing. Super corny/lazy/cheap. Peace
I want to ask all the long time wu heads on the board . Do you all feel that Mathematics reinvented the Wu-Tang sound with this release ?
https://medium.com/@mvizcaino295/mat...m-1ed3dd7c10af
It’s crazy. Math is around these guys on the daily, touring with them, building with them. And he couldn’t even get GZA to break him off 8 NEW fuckin bars?! He had to reuse his Rush/Eve Of War verse?! Just leave him off the album then. lol Or have Streetlife(who is uncharacteristically absent from this project) fill that verse spot or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
Ringz lives on a different fuckin continent and somehow managed to make 2 “Wu albums” that sound better than this. lol Unbelievable.
Wtf !!! Look what this person wrote in that article / link i posted.
“ Mathematics, aka Ronald Maurice Bean, is the group’s musical muse and graphic artist. Not only has he produced many of Wu-Tang’s greatest hits like “Protect Ya Neck,” “C.R.E.A.M,” and “Bring Da Ruckus,” but he also designed the Wu-Tang Clan logo.”
Something we don’t know here ?!! Wtf is up with the world !!!
Listened to it last night. some i dig and alot i dont. i simply deleted the tracks that i feel are not for me. This project is 39 minutes long with recycled bars and somehow its considered an album. feels like a EP with alot of out side features . Kool G Rap gets my approval but the others i dont give a shit about . The intro dont need to be there like that .
so glad i can always go back to "The Swarm" and Ghostdog Soundtrack
I feel this project is whack . This black samson atleast for me will be very soon forgotten.
1. deleted
2. Mandingo
3. Lions Roar (The Lion's Pit)
4. deleted
5. Shaolin Vs. Lama
6. Executioners From Shaolin
7. Cleopatra Jones
8. Warriors Two, Cooley High
9. Let’s Do It Again
10. Dolemite
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12. deleted
delete claudine tho?Quote:
Originally Posted by rzatrax
for me its
mandingo
claudine
lions pit
cleopatra jones
warrior drum 2
rest deleted lol
Damn Rzatrax, u don’t mess with RJ or Willie the Kid? 2 of the best out right now in my opinion. Peace
Just listened - not bad, maybe even a bit more listenable than The Saga Continues. But it's too short, the relabeled songs/reused verses are BS, and there is no way its worth 80 US for the vinyl
yea im just not feeling the track. not saying its musically bad or anything but the vibe and subject matter not for me. Damn ForensikZ you cut alot too. PeaceQuote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
im very biased when it comes to these types of wu compilations. im not in anyway saying RJ or WTK are whack or putting them down as mc's and although i dont quite keep up with new releases of new / newer artists i will take your word for it that they are 2 of the best out right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
just to clarify incase some see / read my posts as shitting on wutang clan. im not shitting on the Wu im shitting on whack compilations. i can remember back in the day in the early/mid nineties when i fell in lust with Tical and the sound of Prince Rakeem the Rza and decided im a Wu-tang Clan fan forever. I also remember that the wu was not fucking with too many outside artists with the exception of crews like mobb deep , indviduals like nas , and redman. i wasnt feeling snoop dog and busta rhymes being on The W . i saw that as terrible !
These type of Mathematics releases are not meant for me for what i want , need and expect from something that is being touted as a new wutang clan release . im from the old school and rather dig up older stuff pre 2000 to listen to , anyway i much prefer the vibes and sounds of the boom bap era. I will just keep making my own compilations and blend projects to keep my appetite in check. I am looking forward to Method Man next project though . He been on fire and sounding fresh for awhile now. Peace
I agree with this. Ignoring the fact it includes recycled stuff, it's a good listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
Math has always re-used material on his albums. M80's entire business model is re-using and repackaging material to pass it off as "new". Both guys were involved with this release... so I knew what to expect and adjusted my expectations accordingly.
With those adjusted expectations, I can enjoy this project for what it is. Sometimes it's better not to know how the sausage is made.
there's a 2cd version on amazon (Limited Edition, Deluxe Edition) .. what's on that second cd ?
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Samson-.../dp/B0DZXYRDNR
I didn't realize m-eighty was involved...that explains some of the features, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
I saw the 2CD version at other sites and the second disc is the instrumentals. Assuming the same for the Amazon releaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Jammin
Roar of the Lion is sick
Roar of the Lion is weak compared to The Lion's Pit. Way to fuck it up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rzatrax
This shit was clearly written with the help of a LLM. Which is to be expected from someone who is a "marketing and brand copywriter".Quote:
tales of his carpentry background
Got to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Set
Had this album on constant rotation for the last few days now and I have to say, I like it. Re-used material aside, it flows well and I like Math’s production. Consistent sound throughout.
Prefer this to Saga Continues. Would have preferred more Wu / fam features instead of the random guests, but hey.
That Amazon link for Cd says it’s not available now. Anyone have a legit site selling the cd yet? Thanks and peace
Totally agree, the reused verses are frustrating and insults the intelligence of us die hard fans, but casual fans will never know! Overall the flow of the album is quality, if he didn’t release the singles and they were tracks on the album and he released other singles I reckon we would be saying it’s class!Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
Imagine we hadn’t heard Claudine, Mandingo, two Cooley & The Lions Pit already, shit would bang hard!
Also don’t mind the remix of rap burglars, think it’s sick but wish they named it that rather that trying to get one over
I think the Masta killa verse on cleopatra is the stand out 💪🏻
Don’t mind the gza reused, not massively noticeable and I doubt anyone has ever heard U-god wild style, to know it was re-used
Rza re used verse is lazy as that I an actual WTC album
WHAT THE HELL WAS THE KURUPT INTRO THOUGH that really pissed me off shouting out snoop Dogg and the Dogg pound in a wu album more than the actual clan members, surely it wouldn’t of been hard getting Cappa and mathematics to talk some nonsense
Anyway for me not as bad as I expected so I’m happy
Dolemite fading out during Masta’s verse is just the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. F this album. I think Saga Continues is dozen times better than this.
All this false hope, I just want OUATIS - which is the last we’ll ever get of that Wu tang music we’ve been clawing to get since Forever. Don’t get me wrong there have been few and far between songs since then that would fill that void.
Let’s look at newer Wu stuff… Rza’s latest attempt at a Wu Album (ABT). Rza’s latest attempt at a Bobby digital revival. Rza used to set the precedent for what a hip hop banger was. All his new hip hop production sounds like something Russel Crowe turned down during the last movie they did together. this new Math album that’s 1/3 recycled and not anywhere close to his production potential. ’Set the Tone’ was gone after everybody’s first listen. GZA not releasing music is for the better. Dark Matter, I don’t need GZA talking about element 115 and quantum mechanics if it sounds like he’s talking in his sleep. Raekwon’s now whisperingbedtime story flow will only hold up if the rhymes are there. Cap needs to drop this ‘lower your standard, up your average’ mentality.
MK, Meth & Deck have been the only ones still putting out IMPRESSIVE music.
The funniest part of Executioners of Shaolin and ironic is the longer Cappa raps, the worse is gets, like he’s saying a speech as he walks the plank and by the end of it they just shoot him because he’s so full of shit.
So, seeing how Math’s album played out in real time, with the announcement, the singles/artwork, the “hype”, and then the actual release….Quote:
Originally Posted by TommySuits
What is it about Once Upon that makes you think it wouldn’t be more “false hope” if a release date (within this decade, for argument sake. lol) was announced?
Is it the snippets/leaks? The reviews/reactions to the listening parties? The mystery/unknown of the album?…. your trust in Ringz? lol Just curious
I had actually thought about this too. Why not use the original version but that must be a Rza beat and not a Math beat. i dont mind the album version though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teejay
i made a remake and didnt spend alot of time on it . did it while i was at work sorta multitasking. check it out you might dig it.
https://youtu.be/SWNXjYusd3A?si=47gyPcjT1YRrBUe-