Gawd damn...Imma finish college and have a come back to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
Thank you for your response, tho.
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Gawd damn...Imma finish college and have a come back to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
Thank you for your response, tho.
still waiting
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
i appreciate that legatoQuote:
Originally Posted by Legato
peace
Unfortunately, I don't have the dollars to spare at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
I know that I didn't come from no form of ape or monkey...word up.
All the books that I have read put together have not convinced me of such.
Maybe his is different.
i respectfully ask.. what is it about human evolution theory do u find faulty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
or do u just reject it based on GP? if u just have it made up in ur mind for some reason that its insulting to lump humans in the same catergory as other primates,, then no, my book wont change your view point (because thats not a rational stance)
if u have some objection to human evolution due to a flaw, then yes, maybe the book could clarify.
it depends on your stance
you dont know ish about it. you only have preconcieved beliefs that are so dogmatic in your mind that they do not allow you to see the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
Basically, it makes me think of the perfection of the human phenotype to adapt to it's envionment.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
If you remove the environmental stress - then the Original human phenotype, can be at peace - ie. at one with it's environment.
Now...I'm not saying that micro level evolution does not take place - to the contrary, I am quite convinced that this is the norm in our universal experience on Earth.
However, there is a question as to which phenotype the genetic theory of marco evolution is based....
And, this brings me to another question, concerning the differences and evoultionary time frame in which Black and white people were discerened.
Simply put...who's first?
Wrong!...ain't nothing dogmatic about it. I put thought and reflection into evrything I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
Or else I don't understand it...and in that case Iam not afraid to openly admit that I do not understand.
Everyone is not like you...
Word!...although,I am under the impression that man is divine and divine is manifested through manQuote:
Originally Posted by LHX
This is a literature question. Hopefully you can help me with a little vocabulary meaning issue.
Discuss the following statement. Think of "to" as the guarantor of
indirection insofar as it prevents the relation of transitivity while
being a sign of non-immediacy and meditation between the lover and
the beloved.
"I love to you means I maintain a relation of indirection to you. I
do not subjugate you or consume you. I respect you (as irreducible).
I hail you: in you I hail. I praise you: in you I praise. I give
you thanks: to you I give thanks for. . . . I bless you for. . . .
I speak to you, not just about something; rather I speak to you, not
so much this or that, but rather I tell to you."
Luce Irigary, "I Love to You," 536.
I cant figure out what my teacher means by transitivity. From what I understand, the passage refers to a lover failing to transition into one being love.
What do you think transitivity implies here?
I know this one seems out there but I wanted to give it a shot.
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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
everyone does not think like me and thats true. and i think people can believe and think whatever they want. id just hope they would have an open mind and think about why the believe things.
im curious, how did you get into being 5% and thinking allah was the man?
(1) Allah didn't like the kid to be put in any harmful situation but he gave his parents the choice to either choose good folks to be around their baby or not. and obviously they didn't care or they forgot or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legato
The child is mentally f***ed up because of the choices either other made or he himself when he became a gown. and remember that Not all molested kids make the same bad decision. but some no matter how many options Allah gives them, they never take any of them when they grow up. they take what seem suitable for them maybe as a revenge for what happened when they were kids and they go and molest other kids. Allah did gave them a lot of options but they choose to go stray.
example, a kid who was molested by his uncle. His uncle was such a mutha f****ER who doesn’t have any bit of dignity or respect and he thinks like “i’m gonna do it, the kid ain’t gonna tell, no one will know and if they did they maybe won’t do anything about it and if they did and called the cops i’ll maybe deny that or maybe i’ll stay in jail for a little while then i’ll get out- BIG DEAL!!”
If we supposed that the uncle was arrested. here one of the options and it could be the first step in every choice he make. start new life. Teach your kid that what happened to him was a big mistake cuz his uncle was a man with no humanity or faith that prevent him doing what he did. and of course you so damn sorry for where tha hell have you been at that time!!
if The child “when he is grown” followed the choices that Allah gives him, he won’t end up as his uncle. cuz then he knows that no one should be judged for else’s crimes.
It’s tough but molesting other kids won’t make it any easier! It’s not only the kid’s job it’s the whole damn society’s. it’s a whole circle. Everyone has a job and Allah gave them those jobs but when they don’t do it. Don’t expect the circle to be perfect.
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
HEll, i talk to you like an intelligent human being and you insult your mind wit dis!
i really think that any one who has lost something has something else. Not necessarily physical things but could be spiritual things. not necessarily things one can observe in his own body if he has some illness, but in his family that takes care of him. etc.
hehehe, you know God gives almost everyone intelligence that’s how he is so just. there are criminals who were intelligent. the point is how you’re going to use that? maybe He is going to let you do whatever you like with your intelligence, so later when you’re going to be aksed by Allah why did you do this? you have no excuse. you were intelligent enough to be aware of all your actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
It’s not your intelligence that lead you to become non-believer. it’s the ignorance of something, the depression, arrogance, and other things but of course it’s not the intelligence!
people make plans for themselves to accomplish anything. some of them think like “if i ain’t going to complete my studies i’ll work with my friend” and some like “if i ain’t gonna have this party here, it has to be in someone’s house”
intelligent people usually have plans for all the possible options. i mean what is your plan if you found out that there is a God that you should've believed in but you obiously didn’t? whatcha gonna do? what is your plan then?
Allah gave the intelligence to see that he is there for you. you go too deep and think that will make you more intelligent when it really won’t make you any intelligent but it may turn you to someone doesn’t understand the simple facts and the simple evidences for God’s existence that just a little kid or a simple human being notices.
i hope what i said above answers that!Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
honestly, i’m exhausted but never mind this is one of the things i always wanted it to do. i mean exhaustion doesn’t matter as long as the point of it is to help one another to see things.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
hehehehe, now i’m gonna give ya what you've been waiting for.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
1) is God "perfect" ? yes
2) is god all merciful ? yes
3) Is god immutable (meaning he/she/it is "unchanging"?) yes
4) Is God all "just" (meaning ultimately he makes sure justice is served)
you can't say someone ain't being just, JUST cuz he gave you the chance to be unjust. This is called the freedom of choice!
c’mon, you really gotta impress me!
Too Much Shit!!
When I was a child I realized that there was no 'God'. But, I had grown up in a christain family with the idea that god was an omnipotent unseen being in 'heaven'.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
However, that never made any sense to me...so I studied and read everything I could.
I got knowledge of self (the blackman is God) when I was 16 through studying the lost - found lessons of the N.O.I.....and then I became Earth (in the Nation of Gods and Earths) when I knowledged Supreme Mathematics at 18 so, I began to teach it to others.
Anyway, it was through study that I learned these things and yes, I am always learning.
right on your face!Quote:
Originally Posted by dollabill
blinds hearing is too simple of an example... because one cant focus on the sight so he/she focuses more on the sound and trains the hearing.. or smell or feel or tasteQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
i could agree with this only when u dont know when one loses something or everything(especially) i doubt that the one with the loss ultimately or every time has to get a substitute in something else...
to be more clear if you dont "deserve" a substitute or whatever it will be given to the one who does
and that i agree with this statement doesnt mean i belive it because i dont know how to prove it or displace it by evidence...
a question for Timbs:
in a document about evolution they said that humans used same tools (weapons, bowls for water, clothing etc.) and basically lived the same way of life for a very long period of time and that at a certain time in the past (not sure but +/- 50 000 years ago) that changed very fast and people started to "evolve faster" as in their way of life changed "drastically"... so how do you see this happening ? (of course if it did happen) and/or What could have caused this?
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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
i always respect peoples believes. i respect them even more when i find out they have come about them on their own instead of being indoctrinated into them, weither i agree with what they have to say or not.
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Originally Posted by MoT
clearly im not timbs but possibly if i remember correctly from some course heres some knowledge. this happend less than 50,000 years ago but explains some of what your talking about, the discovery of agriculture. which allowed him to settle and have a reliable source of food, and let him concentrate on other things. when man was a nomade and just wandering being a hunter gather, one he could not travel in very large groups because its hard to feed all of the people and two he had to primarily use most of his energy on finding his next meal.
when people settled down and started growing crops they could support larger bands of people, and the human mind started to thrive. he had more free time to do all sorts of things.
not sure if its the answer your looking for, but its part of it.
That's peace...Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
I respect the dolla!
Is My First Timbs Really 61?
yes.
dolla, dolla, bill ya'll!
anyway...Timbs, wuz up?
[quote=Wu Masta Killer]Is My First Timbs Really 61?[/quote]
he can't be i say he has to be around 28 give or take a few years
No, I Lied that fag can't be that old.
hah dude with a latino heat banner is calling people fag.
I wasnt saying that your agument is insulting me. I was saying that your argument and reasoning that Allah (or whatever deity is popluar at that current time in history) will "take something away" from someone (ie their senses) is insulting to the recognized history of theology and the concept of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
i know that u really think that and want to believe that, but sadly its not the case. Most who are disabled in some form do not earn an extra sense or a heightened sense to compensate for their loss. and as for this "compensation" taking other forms (ie family support, spirituality etc etc) thats a cop out because every normal being has those things already in some shape or form.Quote:
i really think that any one who has lost something has something else. Not necessarily physical things but could be spiritual things. not necessarily things one can observe in his own body if he has some illness, but in his family that takes care of him. etc.
here is where the religionist refues to acknowledge the obvious contradiction. This is formally known as the argument of fate/destiny vs freewill. It is impossible to have free will in a reality that is governed by an omnipotent and omniscient god who already has everyone's lives "pre plotted" out on his mighty chalkboard. Thus by religious logic (and the recognized history of theology), I, myself am nothing but a manifestation of God's divine plan. Are u arguing that it was not in Gods plan for me to be an Athiest? Are u arguing that i somehow deviated from the plan or are u even further arguing that there is no "plan"? Being a believer of a God, you are obligated to pick a stance and ride it out! You cant play both sids of the fence by believing that there is a plan and an all knowing god but at the same time come to an irrational conclusion that we have free will.Quote:
hehehe, you know God gives almost everyone intelligence that’s how he is so just. there are criminals who were intelligent. the point is how you’re going to use that? maybe He is going to let you do whatever you like with your intelligence, so later when you’re going to be aksed by Allah why did you do this? you have no excuse. you were intelligent enough to be aware of all your actions.
okay, now we are getting somewhere!! so do you agree that perfection means "existing in a state of completeness so that nothing is requisite" (ie existing in a state of perfection , having no needs or wants) ? do u agree ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
okay... now we are getting somewhere!, do u agree that all merciful refers to a punitive concept of " receiving less than what one actually deserves from their action or belief" ??Quote:
2) is god all merciful ? yes
okay, so do you agree that an immutable being cannot and will not change his or her stance, belief or aspect of conceptual existence (how u answer is very important!)Quote:
3) Is god immutable (meaning he/she/it is "unchanging"?) yes
okay, do u agree that "all just" refers to a punitive or reward concept of "ensuring individuals receive exactly what they deserve?"Quote:
4) Is God all "just" (meaning ultimately he makes sure justice is served)
lmaoQuote:
c’mon, you really gotta impress me!
peaceQuote:
Originally Posted by MoT
there are several reasons for this.. This is formally known as the homo sapien cultural explosion and can be explained very easily. In a nutshell:
prior to the harnessing of certain aspects of reality, humans lived a relatively short life span. This is very important because with a short life span come certain things and with a longer life span come other things!
prior to the harnessing of fire and to the birth of agriculture, man had relatively short life spans (if u made it to about 25 years, u were lucky and an "elder")
Once fire and agriculture "jumped off", humans now lived alot longer. With longer life spans comes population growth. with larger populations and longer life spans, comes a focus shift! meaning a shift from a primary focus being on pure survival, to a more cultural social aspect. EVEN more importantly, with larger populations and longer life spans comes the ability to successfully gain more real world spacial and technical know how about the world u live in and objects that it contains!
Even more importantly, with a longer life span, comes the abiliy to properly pass on cultural knowledge to the next generation before you die!
Its alot more complicated than this, (and there are indeed other factors) but u get the idea.... human evolution (technological expansion and cultural evolution) are highly indebted to the birth of agriculture and the harnessing of fire)...
peace whitey! i didnt mean to steal ur thunder ! i didnt scroll down to see that u had already satisfactorily (and most accurately) answered the query! :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
What is your shoe size for timbs?
thats a very bold baseless uninformed statement! (but very common in religionist beliefs)Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
I am not a non believer because I am ignorant of the believer or concept of one.. if anything, i am at a supreme advantage of making a rational decision having objectively formally studied almost every religion on the planet from the oldest formal religion to the newest new age philosophy u prolly havent heard of yet.
as for depression. thats another long standing misconception of the atheist. For some strange reason, religionists (the fanatical ones) would love for it to be the case that a person becomes a non believer because they are depressed or lacking something in life.. this honestly just simply isnt the case at all. I am one of the most happy, optimistic and easy going people you would ever meet. there is not a depressed nerve in my body (and if there was, i would know that rationally it is merely a lack of serotonin levels), so it would not be cause for concern. (let alone a reason to "not believe".... )
as for arrogance.. again.. this claim is baseless. Do not confuse arrogance with confidence based on a secure knowledge and critical thinking ability. And even more importantly, the rational atheist is the furthest thing from "arrogant".. this is so because we readily admit that we dont know everything. (in actuality there is so much that is unknown, hence the reason why most atheists have an affinity to science in pursuit of natural curiosity!!)) and even further, we know and understand that every rational claim has the potential to be completely false! how is this arrogant? its the exact opposite of the philosophy of religion and what arrogance means!
the philosophy of religion is a pure example of the height of man's arrogance! (a belief that we were made in the image of a divine creator is about the most arrogant and chauvanistic thing ive ever heard).. and like i said.. my argument and everythging i believe could be totally false... all it would take to do this is provide evidence showing its false (evidence of a supernatural realm, evidence that all creatures do not have common ancestry etc..) if u want to combat atheism and thos who dont beleive, thats all u would have to do!.. however in contrast u state on several occaisions that u KNOW you are right and u get frustrated when u are trying to HELP people see the RIGHT way.... lmao at the arrogance and irrationality!.. i ask u... what would it take to potentially falsify your claim and beliefs? (any rational logical claim has the ability to be falsified).. what would it take for yours??
in addition, about depression i want it to be known that every other atheist or non believer i have ever met was not depressed or angry at the concept of a god!
in actuality we (atheists) welcome it! (if it exists).. in addition i have no reason to be angry... i had a great childhood, great parents, great upbringing etc.. so why would i alll of a sudden be an ignorant, arrogant, depressed atheist?
u do the math
12 for constructsQuote:
Originally Posted by num2son
11.5 for beef and brocs and chick and brocs
Do you believe in the power of collective consciousness?
Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?
yes but from a biological/evolutionary standpointQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
You answered my other question, I was wonderin' if you happen to see this one?Quote:
Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?
wats good timz
Could u please summerise the threory of evolution. I dont knw if u remeber a thread made in KTL a lil while back called, your religon or your beliefs where ppl posted their religon/ beliefs. what did u post or what would u post???