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thats what im saying thoQuote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
quantum physicists dont want to admit that they are dogs chasing their own tails
just like the emporer didnt want to admit that he wasnt wearing any clothes
in basic terms:
quantum theory is bullshit
and
it has proven that physics is pretty much useless
throw out the textbooks
"Reality is that which when we stop believing in it, it doesn't go away.."
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by LHX
and this is classic
and its funny how we need these big and small particles to live - and they need usQuote:
Originally Posted by LHX
but yet we say .............nevermind
hmm quantum physics is not in the textbooks to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by LHX
that shows how ignorant we are to the truth.
when subparticles that have not been explained about to the public, are random in trems of their movement, it has profound effects on nature.
i see that you two do not see this as important especially wooly, as he has not understood the quantum realm at all.
as for life on life on life...
you see, the crux of quantum is the FACT that subparticles of atoms etc are not calculated yet do what they want.. just like humans.
quantum has fundamentally nothing to do with life, a particle is not life. the particle build up the human body but it also builds any other structure/theplanets ie!
if i were to stab somebody to death right now... that person lying on the floor would be not life, yet the body would still be warm and have enough blood etc but its dead.
quantum explains that, particles form the physical form of everything which it does.
however the nature of particles needs a consciousness to control everything. now thats life.
yep thats 100% true... by you having said that, you show you havent understood quantum physics..Quote:
Originally Posted by LHX
just because quantum physics sounds as it does, people assume its some science jargon and confusion prompting people going to extreems by saying:
ive never been the guy who attaches myself to science that much, but i see depth and profound truth in the quantum physics and its "meta".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
THIS finding is very profound and anothjer step science has taken, which made many unbelievers believe in a "GOD".
this is because the universe needs one... not because of the religious depiction alone.. but because of scientific expedience as well.
now, some here will view this as corrupt as it goes against what they believe... but dont be ignorant to assume nothing can be right except of what people want to believe in.
truth is hard always, and when it hurts... get over it
and LHX ... define reality for me please...
and Wooly, explain WHY particles need US... how will you control the infinite random choice of subparticles? if you can control the human mind of everysingle person alive.. thats when i will truly believe you are the ultimate source of consciousness that controsl all dimensions that we can see and not see.
our minds are yet finding new truths... why? universe as it was explained is infinite.
and infinity with uncontrolled particles cannot sustain itself.. why not? look at how poeple would go all out crazy if i said.. the nearest KFC were giving away chicken 4 free. but there is only an amount left...
nature is build on hierarchy,, so is the universe.. we cant always see the hierarchy order.. just like we cant see smallest of particles we cannot see the biggest of realms..
peace n blessings...
im goin 2 sleep,, just woke up 2 eat 2 start ma fast.
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Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
i guess it doesn't sound like a college educated wayof looking at it so it gets dismissed as some ghetto jibberish rapper guy stuff
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just because quantum physics sounds as it does, people assume its some science jargon and confusion prompting people going to extreems by saying:
What is all this ^ about ?
i've stated about 3 times at least that i know nothing about Quantum PhysicsQuote:
i see that you two do not see this as important especially wooly, as he has not understood the quantum realm at all.
and asked for answers
i thought i came close to understanding but then i read these 2 post of yours just now and got even more confused
check this book out
http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/...resized200.jpg
i ain't read it
but you should check it out lol
at least read the cover title a few times
There's a reason why the G stands for God, Geometry, Grand Architect of the Universe and Gnosis...
http://www.wasatchlodge.org/assets/i...se_cornice.jpg
http://www.wasatchlodge.org/wp-conte...content/sc.gif
...and a reason why no one can be a Mason if they don't "believe" in "a"(better said The)Supreme Being.
Salaam
deep
no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
the fact that you have not understood my two posts suggests that you are not even listening.
quantum physics is not a mystic thing neither is it difficult to find on the net.
i put links up, yet surely you havent read them because then you would ask questions directly linked to what you read.
when you say that you are CONFUSED, is it not unwise to assume quantum is useless, as it is clear that you are not willing to understand it fully as it would undermine some of your older beliefs?
i hope timbs can also shed some light here!!!!
you havent read it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
possibly the content as opposed to the title may confuse you furthermore.
look back at my two links and build on it slowly...
we after all are humans
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/jono...formation.html
this is to be studied in proportions first... its the ebst way to understand quantum.. the title is misleading.. but you will understand why whilst you read!!
once you have sorta understood this.. go to:
http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/essay.htm
and select your way through the menu, which you find through scrolling down..
it will take a bit of time, but if this does not help you.. then woah!!!
perhaps this too may give you a better understanding
http://www.meta-religion.com/Physics/physics.htm
Prince
your observations of order and sustainability require too many assumptions
it is possible (likely) that DISorder (chaos) is the state of things
and order is nothing more than an illusion - and a temporary one at that
the reason why quantum physics suggests a supreme force is because there is a supreme force
and it was not until these hard headed scientists started finding things they could not explain on a regular basis that some of them got scared shitless and gave up their pursuit of trying to explain (control) the universe
quantum theory is not useless
but the truths that it spits out are the same as the ones found in any good taoist literature
maybe they have outdated textbooks in the ukQuote:
Originally Posted by Princerai
but quantum theory also states thatQuote:
as for life on life on life...
you see, the crux of quantum is the FACT that subparticles of atoms etc are not calculated yet do what they want.. just like humans.
everything is energy in the form of particles and waves
everything is a particle AND a wave
and particles and waves cant exist at the same time
isnt that a little problematic?
yeah - quantum theory also suggests that 'life' is just a temporary illusion anywayQuote:
quantum has fundamentally nothing to do with life, a particle is not life. the particle build up the human body but it also builds any other structure/theplanets ie!
if i were to stab somebody to death right now... that person lying on the floor would be not life, yet the body would still be warm and have enough blood etc but its dead.
this is true if you are trying to keep things neat and tidyQuote:
quantum explains that, particles form the physical form of everything which it does.
however the nature of particles needs a consciousness to control everything. now thats life.
but it does not really hold together
like the being who is the gate and the gate keeper
the 'consciousness' is the particle and the movement
if you arent then who is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Princerai
maybe you are selling yourself short
our minds are uncovering / remembering old truthsQuote:
our minds are yet finding new truths... why? universe as it was explained is infinite.
a bike standing still would topple overQuote:
and infinity with uncontrolled particles cannot sustain itself.. why not? look at how poeple would go all out crazy if i said.. the nearest KFC were giving away chicken 4 free. but there is only an amount left...
give it momentum and it stays upright
sustainability requires nothing - it is another illusion
'reality' is that you have no reason (other than your imagination) to think of an 'unsustainable' universe
temporary illusionQuote:
nature is build on hierarchy,,
another assumptionQuote:
so is the universe..
we can see everything we need to seeQuote:
we cant always see the hierarchy order.. just like we cant see smallest of particles we cannot see the biggest of realms..
peaceQuote:
peace n blessings...
im goin 2 sleep,, just woke up 2 eat 2 start ma fast.
this is a great topic
finally get to shake some rust off parts of my brain
its not that it underminesQuote:
Originally Posted by Princerai
but it is a long and drawn out way of describing things that are really kind of obvious
it is the same beef that a lot of people have with 'the art of war' (where is Os3y3ris?)
when speaking in terms of a discipline as a whole
'quantum theory' is pretty much useless
unless it is used by quantum theorists as a way to give up quantum theory
(another means to a self-reflective end)
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Originally Posted by Princerai
where did i ever say that Quantum Physics is Useless lol
that would be silly of me to say that being that i don't know what it is
i didn't read the links because i wanted you to tell me what it is in simple words
can you do that ?
you are going way ahead of yourself and pointing out things that are not even there
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Originally Posted by Princerai
it was a small joke
i'm asking you to read the title and get a clue
it says
MAKE IT PLAIN !
are you too educated to MAKE IT PLAIN ?
i have brielfy explained it already wooly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
and the links are there to guide you as well..
as for me being educated... i taught myself and not from other person.. its all first degree
peace tho man
TO LHX
peace bro...
def good buildin with u too..
you see, the theory is either acknowledged deeply or it is not..
quantum gives the idea of God in scientific form... we all know there is higher intelligence.. but the form in which the being takes must take consideration.
the theory is stable but the study of it.. META can be assumptions yet also conclusive..
it is not easy to find the conclusive and explain it in depth here.. as quantum is a deep pool of facts which will take years to decipher 100%, yet at least it has shed some huge light on various topics which confuse the mind..
peace n blessings..
this topic deff got me using the dome 110% :P
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Originally Posted by Princerai
yo - i really didn't wanna go back all through the thread to find where you explained it
i just got onto the thread but if you don't wanna explain it no problem man - i'll move on
oh and yeah - teaching yourself Quantum Physics is impossible - you had to read it or hear it from someone somewhere at some time lol
i read it to depthQuote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
self teaching
confucius: teacher gives one corner.. the one to be taught must find the other 3
had to do this.. hope it helps on the issue at hand... :)
Quantum Mechanics Explained
written by Jason Yeldell aka My First Timbs
One must first realize how extremely complicated quantum mechanics is and how far reaching it goes.. this is why it is very difficult to explain it in a few neat sentences and paragraphs because in most cases it takes about 300 pages to describe it accurately (in addition to describing the wholly metaphysical aspect of it which we are doing here!)
but i will try to keep it simply and MAKE IT PLAIN !
1) Quantum mechanics makes us look at the world and universe as if it was a creature that possesses an external body and an internal mind. This outer body of the universe and world is what we scientists have struggled with since the beginning of "time". it is the world as we know it susceptible to natural laws and verifiable thru what i call the "uniformity of experience" (like things in like circumstances always leave predicatble results !).............quantum mechanics is merely the study and theory that encompasses not this outer body of our world view, but rather the "inner workings" behind this outer body on a subatomic level! what is found when scientists study this "inner realm" is that things dont "behave" properly.. ie.. my whole philosophy of the "uniformity of experience" becomes hogwash....this may not seem like a big deal to layppl, but this is a tremendous deal to scientists and scientific disciplines that thrive on making sense of the world we live in by relying on the fact that there is such a thing called the uniformity of experience
2) quantum mechanics studies the fundamental particles thought to be the building blocks of existence and of our universe.. however, after delving into this realm it is perceived that these partiles are actually not real things.. they are nothing but "possibilities" of consciousness, but yet do affect the material world ! now thats mindblowing! that the "stuff" everything is made of may not even be real "stuff" ! In addition.. this stuff doesnt seem to follow equations and probability assumptions we thought.. so what is it and what controls it?
3) human consciousness is controlled by quantum mechanics.. thus controlled by stuff that may not potentially be "real".. thus the human experience is flawed from ever justifying what is "reality".. the human mind may be abstract simply because the material world is not material !
Adam Kadmon.
As Above, So Below.
On Earth as it is in Heaven.
Rahubaat Sena
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
Thanks Timbs
I'm a graduate student in mathematics. People dont understand that mathematics is an art. Sure, its as scientific as scientific can be, but ultimately you cant prove anything. thats not just some tired old argument about "i think therefore i am", its relevant every time anyone thinks they actually know anything.
God is by definition something whose existence is not physical (everyone has their own interpretation of the word "God", but everyone agrees that God is trancendental). So what do we even mean when we say "God exists" or "God does not exist"? Does the number 1 exist? Does beauty exist?
(ps- I do believe in that "God Exists". My point is that to even consider that a proof may be possible is to misunderstand the nature of God, existence, and knowledge.)
true indeed.. i only use the word "god" as a placeholder for whatever people mean when they themselves talk for "god".. but logically.. god cannot be explained or defined. ( this is a fatal flaw imo)Quote:
Originally Posted by cory299e8
the word "god" is symbolic of whatver people want to define and describe god as! it doesnt really mean anything logically.. its a meaningless sound! because it cant be defined!
similarly, the number 1 logically doesnt exist! number 1 is merely a symbol of a concept.
dont concepts exist? If you interpret the word "existence" in such a way that you can say that numbers, concepts, beauty, truth, etc. dont exist, then I contend that you have chosen a bad interpretation. Certainly all those things are relevant to our lives. Certainly they cannot be seen, touched, and weighed. Thus there are relevant and valid aspects of our experience that EXIST in some way other than physically. recognising this, who can deny the existence (in some relevant but nonphysical sense) of god?
i see what ur saying but here is where "rational thought" and the "atheistic" mindset comes into play.
in this mindset.. concepts ( as long as they are concepts and not brought to fruition or exist in the material world) do not exist logically)
if something is relevant even if conceptual and abstract... that doesnt make it plop into the realm of objective existence
okay so
given all this higher understanding of our physicle make up and its major components of wich it consist. (Beacuse i also agree with many of the things that were said on this forum) we also accept this way of thought because in the end of all this complex politics ,u gotta believe in somethin "watever the fuck it might be". So my quetion is ,arent we just another group or society that is no dfferent from all these others that are trying to isolate themselves in originality and ultimately claim the answer?
(i dont no if i prased that question correctly but )
im not really sure what u are asking...
yes many need to believe in something.. but im not really sure what ur asking
tnx for droppin that timbs!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
welcome :)
:YQuote:
Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins
Peace to timbs for his little essay :)
i have a question for u, just wanting your opnion..
the whole world is sub atomic particles, everything is made up of it.
them atoms are not solid.. so how can they make things that are solid?
ive read some really interesting shit by russian scientists, that say our dna transmits and recieves data,, this is called junk dna,, would it be possible for our dna with the help of our mind, make everything seem 3-d?
ill add on more later.
peace
peace Timbs
lemme throw a few more bricks on this build:
i dig thisQuote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
for example - something that can be demonstrated with the eye?Quote:
it is the world as we know it susceptible to natural laws and verifiable thru what i call the "uniformity of experience" (like things in like circumstances always leave predicatble results !)
you see something - describe it - demonstrate it - and i agree
we both experience it
for exampleQuote:
.............quantum mechanics is merely the study and theory that encompasses not this outer body of our world view, but rather the "inner workings" behind this outer body on a subatomic level! what is found when scientists study this "inner realm" is that things dont "behave" properly.. ie.. my whole philosophy of the "uniformity of experience" becomes hogwash....this may not seem like a big deal to layppl, but this is a tremendous deal to scientists and scientific disciplines that thrive on making sense of the world we live in by relying on the fact that there is such a thing called the uniformity of experience
i type the word 'beautiful'
we are both familiar with this term - with the string of letters forming the word
b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l
but
when asked to define it - or give an example
we run into problems
('that is not beautiful'
'of course it is'
etc)
if i call you a dumb cocksuckerQuote:
2) quantum mechanics studies the fundamental particles thought to be the building blocks of existence and of our universe.. however, after delving into this realm it is perceived that these partiles are actually not real things.. they are nothing but "possibilities" of consciousness, but yet do affect the material world ! now thats mindblowing!
-even tho the words themselves are absolutely meaningless (they contain nothing real)
they are able to affect the material world - as a person can choose to react to these words
and thus:
as i alluded to earlierQuote:
that the "stuff" everything is made of may not even be real "stuff" ! In addition.. this stuff doesnt seem to follow equations and probability assumptions we thought.. so what is it and what controls it?
quantum theory rests on the assumption of 'control'
see - this is where i begin to see it fall apartQuote:
3) human consciousness is controlled by quantum mechanics.. thus controlled by stuff that may not potentially be "real".. thus the human experience is flawed from ever justifying what is "reality".. the human mind may be abstract simply because the material world is not material !
it really seems a little unreasonable to assume that human consciousness is 'controlled' by anything
the human experience of defining the environment as a means of controlling it is an illusion
it is something that has been attempted
but
we are at the point now where we can clearly see that it is not possible
thus
quantum physics ends when quantum physicists collectively say that there is a realm called 'undefineable'