Once Upon a Time in Shaolin/museum tour/1 copy of album

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Originally Posted by The Hound

Why you delete the snippet thread then?

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1. Because it's my thread, so I can.

2. A fresh start. I'm sure someone ripped it, no?

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Originally Posted by ol dirty abbot

Its still a shit idea because nobody knows silverrings its pretentious. If they did this with Tupac, michael jackson or Big's posthumous material it might have worked

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Not sure which world you reside in, but in my world, it's seems to be working quite alright.

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Originally Posted by Chrism70

Is the track listing still the same as the one posted a few months ago? I only ask because the albums being promoted as 31 Clan tracks when in reality its Shabazz and the Clan introduces: Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. Just wondering if you have informed any potential buyers of just how many appearances the full Clan members do actually make on this album?

And another thing, if Cilva can use already recorded verses to new beats, then how come RZA isnt prepared to dig in the crates and pull out Raekwon verses to use on ABT so the fans get what we want which is Rae on the "last ever Wu album"?

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Tracklisting has changed. And a Shabazz album?... what's this reality you live in? RZA can't dig and pick up Rae vocals without Rae approving.

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Originally Posted by The Hound

Coz Wu don't care about fans. They all about mingling with the high Jew society

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20 years of an extensive catalogue of music and now we don't care about fans? Stop being a baby and get over yourself, seriously.

And I vote Origin(tm) and 5th State as great minds on the forum. Thinking very much alike!

hi my name is Eminem

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Originally Posted by 5th state

People are not going to like this suggestion but wouldn't it be a strong statement if the music was made available by the buyer, in agreement with Cilva (& RZA), after a fixed period of say 50 or even better yet a 100 years. (Given the time frame, by the buyer's heirs.) And yes, this does mean that people active on the forum now will never hear it. But their children or grandchildren might.

Think of how it would rekindle the Wu legacy. Think of how it might influence hiphop in that future time period. Seems really exciting to me.

Will there still be hiphop in 50 years? I'm pretty sure it will be alive and kicking. What about in 100 years... Not too sure about that. Wouldn't it be great if it were released to the general public under those circumstances. Who better than Wu to put hiphop back on the map then?

As you might suspect from this post I'm actually all for the idea of making it a one of a kind piece of art. With one caveat, I think the buyer should be talked into having the album tour the world every few years instead of just the once. (Especially if the idea I suggested above would not be a feasible option for Cilvaringz or the buyer.)

Obviously, if it IS going to leak somewhere down the line I'll be very curious to hear it too in the comfort of my own home.

But I think this whole idea is a strong statement.

And, to put things in perspective... Are our lives really going to be that much worse without having this one album to listen to on constant rotation. The Wu is going to release new material (probably not in full group mode, though) and it is inevitable that sooner or later more old material by generals and Killa Bees is going to be sold or leaked to satisfy us. (Just think of the Wuki pack.) It wouldn't surprise me if those 5 finished 'The Cure' tracks popped up some time in the next ten to fifteen years, for instance.

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The only problem is that young kids or even those in their 20's don't listen to Wu now and think they are corny. Our son won't wear anything Wu-that's what his old man wears and it's free, and he could have anything and he doesn't want it. You don't have kids, because your kids and grandkids will not care about any Wu album. It's over for a Wu peak-that should have happened in the late 90's. They are not relevant anymore, but to their fans who are around their ages and listened to them in their youth. I just have a problem, where if the new album isn't worth millions that they can't even budget Rae in, why would the secret album? Same people and they just aren't selling to the public in large numbers, so the only hope is that some crazy fan buys it.

Oh and I think Hez makes good points.

You should read Catcher In The Rye, and you should go to a museum, maybe you'll find something that you appreciate.

"If the concept is maintained and not compromised by a corporate approach, then I believe the album will never make its way to your iPod....LMAO! This is the most CORPORATE Bullshit idea i ever heard. This Is'nt some Unreleased Beatles Recordings made during the Sgt. Pepper Sessions..or Abbey Road Sessions...or A Rare one of a Kind Jimi Hendrix Album that was recorded in secret and never released...or Tupac and Biggie...I can see those albums going on a Museum Tour. What makes those guys Music rare?? They're DEAD!! The Beatles and Hendrix and Pac and Biggie will NEVER EVER produce another Album or Song again in our lives and forever. People will pay Millions to listen to those guys new material. Wu-Tang is still a working functioning group!(So They Say) So how can an Album not Produced by RZA and recorded by Artist still putting out Tons of Music be Rare and Art? Not to mention Wu-Tang as a group is decreasing in value everyday with all the fighting RZA and Raekwon are doing in public. No way these "Bickering Brothers" recorded a "REAL" album in secret 6 years ago. RZA himself said on the Breakfast Club..or one of these interviews last week..that Rae does'nt know what type of beats he makes, because he has'nt even been in the studio with Rae since 2007!!(8 Diagrams Era)So there goes the "Secret recording" Bullshit! Second of all....How many niggaz in the hood do you know go to Museums?? The last time i was at a Museum was sometime in the early 90's for a School Field Trip. So there goes the poor Minorities in the hood. Even if niggaz went..the tour would probley be NY...D.C....L.A..London and some other shit. Leaving out about 200,000,000 people.


These White Folks will lose they mind if all these Hood dudes showed up at the Museums..they'll think we're gonna steal shit and break shit..they dont want us there! This is'nt for us!....So much for spreading Knowledge to the 85%... All that was bullshit anyways. Wu-Tang is finished and Infiltrated..and they finally Went "Full Sell-Out." Don't you see whats happening here??!! Whose gonna show up at Museums??..Pretensious White Hipster dudes who can afford to waste money on Album listening sessions just to seem cool and down with the culture. They dont give a Fuck about niggaz..we're not their fanbase anymore. Cilvaringz keeps saying "We gave the fans 20yrs"...You did'nt give me shit! I did'nt see you at the Paladium in Winter of 1993..performing with the Wu-leather on...i did'nt hear you while i was at the Bus Stop rolling Blunts and Listening to "Tical" in my cassette headphones in 1994....You was'nt in the tape deck when we was listening to "Cuban Linx" in a Stolen car being chased by the cops....you was'nt in the basement in the Winter of 1995 bagging up Crack while "Liquid Swords" was in the Tape deck...My point is..Wu-Tang was the Soundtrack to my life from 1993 to 1997....Cilvaringz was no where to be found..he was probley in High School like the rest of us...i did'nt hear of this guy until 2008. I joined this site in 2005 because i thought it was ran by Wu-tang or RZA. How is someone with a Posh London Accent telling us what's good for us niggaz in the streets of America. Taking our music and selling it to Rich White/Jews/Arabs...Hipsters in Museums with "BEATS" or whatever Commercialized Headphone company sponsoring this shit. Hip-Hop is dead!!..it's been hijacked by Outsiders and Corporate Thugs. Jay-Z and Puffy Started the Ball rolling. Now my generations music is gone..because we did'nt protect it.


Wu-Tang died in 1997...this So-called group we have today is a Robotic Nostalgia Act. Performing the same songs over and over. Even Paul McCartney Performs and records new Albums..and he's in his 70's with 50 Years of Music on his belt..he still performs new material. Yeah..im sure the "Mainstream" Media is Salavating over this "Publicity Stunt"...since when did Wu-Tang care what the mainstream thinks? They just alienated the last little "Street Cred" they had...I would of never thought these Grimy street dudes would sell-us out like that..but that's what we Black Folks do..we dont own shit..we dont produce shit..we dont support our Black Businesses..which allows outsiders to come in and Dictate to us...What we should listen to..how we should listen to it. Im done with Wu-tang...im getting to Old for all this shit....1993-1997..I dont acknowledge any group or member after 97..Sunz of man..Killarmy Predates 1997..all that other shit is what watered down the brand.(The W is a Great Album though)

Now "Cilvaringz" is the H.N.I.C..telling me he gave me 20years of music....no, you gave Wu-Tang nerds and White Boyz 8years of Music....Wu-tang was considered "Officially Corny" after 2001. Enjoy going to The Museum to listen to Cilvaring'z Wu-tang Nostalgia Album with 'Neck Beards" in Wu-tang T-Shirts with cacky shorts and flip-Flops. The streets wont be there. Very few if any Black folks will Show up. Ya'll fans on this site should stop promoting this Bullshit...Wu-Tang ended up "Wolves in Sheeps Clothing"....I dont wanna hear RZA blabbing about His 'Lessons" or teach The Truth to the Youth Bullshit anymore. This is Seth Rogans and Quinton Tarratino's Music now..and the Hollywood Elite. No wonder nobody from Park-Hill fuck with these dudes anymore. Phonies! Maybe i should go read "The Catcher In The Rye'

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You can sketch this dynamic with a simple pyramid showing lots of people spending little or no money at the bottom and fewer people spending lots of money at the top. If you’re a new band, you begin at the bottom of that pyramid, but no matter how popular a given artist gets or how amazing her latest single is, there will always, always, always be more people in the world who don’t care than who do.

So the goal for every artist and every song has always been to climb this pyramid, convincing as many people as you can to part with something in exchange for listening. At first, you just want their attention. The next step is to get them to give you some money for the privilege of hearing your song whenever they happen to get the urge and as you keep climbing the pyramid, you find yourself with fewer and fewer listeners but each one who who remains is happy to give you more and more money.

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isn't ur new album idea basically just following this pyramid which basically all commercial businesses follow.

I fail to see how that adds value to music.

compare this with books that are considered classics. This books added value to literature because of how good their quality was, nothing to do with how much they sold. also consider the fact that nowadays u can get books considered as classics for free or for a very cheap price (eg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Worlds-H...+of+the+worlds )

I think cost is completely irrelevant when it comes to how much value something has as a piece of art.

if u wanted to add more value to msic/hip hop just make an incredibly good album.

im not hating, but I really cant understand ur album idea.

Elitism.

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Originally Posted by sinfullycute

The only problem is that young kids or even those in their 20's don't listen to Wu now and think they are corny. Our son won't wear anything Wu-that's what his old man wears and it's free, and he could have anything and he doesn't want it. You don't have kids, because your kids and grandkids will not care about any Wu album. It's over for a Wu peak-that should have happened in the late 90's. They are not relevant anymore, but to their fans who are around their ages and listened to them in their youth. I just have a problem, where if the new album isn't worth millions that they can't even budget Rae in, why would the secret album? Same people and they just aren't selling to the public in large numbers, so the only hope is that some crazy fan buys it.

Oh and I think Hez makes good points.

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Very interesting read! And you're absolutely right, I have no children yet. (Girlfriend abroad for work till the end of the year, then we'll start a family.) I think the picture you paint of a lot of teenage hiphop fans not being into Wu is correct.

As music taste changes Wu might become the hip thing again in say 10 to 15 years when young people rediscover them. These things usually tend to happen in cycles.

If the music is released in let's say 100 years people then will have no immediate references and will probably - that would be my guess at least - appreciate the 'Once Upon a Time...' album for what it is without comparing it right away to what's hot then or at least without refusing to take a listen to it.

I think you're right about the crazy rich fan suggestion, that is definitely an option. That's what often happens with paintings and sculptures too, right? Wouldn't necessarily refer to those people as 'crazy', though. Just like beauty is often in the eye of the beholder, so is monetary value that is associated with works of art. I don't even think RZA & Cilvaringz would be willing to deal with the two fans who came up with a Kickstarter campaign (even though I respect the initiative, and I assume so do they) in order to buy and then spread 'Once Upon a Time', because it kinds of defeats the whole purpose of what this album is supposed to achieve for music as an art form in today's society that considers music to be nothing but a quick fix for entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Cain

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This is how it often goes down...

Whats the difference between art and entertainment? Where do you draw the line?

I submit that there is no difference whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty

Elitism.

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Originally Posted by 5th state

This is how it often goes down...

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I edited my post lol