Feds are taking OUATIS, Judge has ruled....

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

Wrong. I didnt do what I wanted, because I dont have the artistic nor legal right to call or define anything as Wu-Tang Clan, the guy who founded this whole thing does. I proposed an idea which some of them (Rae, Ghost, RZA, Killa) called brilliant, others were cool with (Meth, GZA), and others had concerns about (Deck, U-God) and this, you git, was done way before Forbes ever wrote a word about it. Maybe you should really read the book, then again, you just wanna be mad, like Meth... so stay mad. It's funny.

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no one gives a fuck about some stupid forbes article you keep referencing. youre an unethical snake, end of story

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Originally Posted by Rame

Oh so RZA is gonna tell the feds to fuck off and not destroy the album?

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Maybe, does rza have the right to ask what are they going to do with it next?

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Originally Posted by Origin™

Also. Meth hates Ringz? He sure as hell didn't whilst he wwas touring the entire world with the dude.. Guess you didn't know about that either.. lol

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youre really fucking stupid. Meth was touring for the money, not because he "wanted" to tour with cilvaringz

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Originally Posted by RUSHING PLATYPUS

lol You lied to us for years about this album. Fuck off.

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didn't this already happen in a 20+ page thread lol

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Originally Posted by Brolic Child

youre really fucking stupid. Meth was touring for the money, not because he "wanted" to tour with cilvaringz

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You don't share a tour bus and rock stages with people you hate just because of the paper you dickhead, you think Ringz was the only avenue into the EU for tours?

Go watch the videos of the dudes touring. they were all good till this shit happened. And if they weren't and Meth was putting an act on for all those months he's just as shady as Ringz..

Anyway fuck this topic, exact same shit as the last thread lol.. Ringz should never of deleted the "it's coming" thread. I never agreed with any of that sneaky shit. But it is what it is.. This shits years old now.

The whole Wu camp are shady as fuck. all coning each other, suing each other, all kinds of snake shit.

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That dude is 100% pure african black meat you dummy

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Lmao

The purest of MEatZ

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Originally Posted by ta12113

If Rza is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s ok, because it’s Rza.

If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s not Rza.

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Could any other producer been approve to do this? DJ Premier, Alchemist...etc.

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Originally Posted by Kanha

Imagine going back to 1997 when Wu-Tang Forever was released, and tell the Wu and the fans that someday wu is going to have a one ex-album, and that album, that legend, is going to be owned, by the... Government..

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LOL, what about back in 1993. They would have said heck no.

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

Wrong. I didnt do what I wanted, because I dont have the artistic nor legal right to call or define anything as Wu-Tang Clan, the guy who founded this whole thing does. I proposed an idea which some of them (Rae, Ghost, RZA, Killa) called brilliant, others were cool with (Meth, GZA), and others had concerns about (Deck, U-God) and this, you git, was done way before Forbes ever wrote a word about it. Maybe you should really read the book, then again, you just wanna be mad, like Meth... so stay mad. It's funny.

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Originally Posted by Origin™

You don't share a tour bus and rock stages with people you hate just because of the paper you dickhead, you think Ringz was the only avenue into the EU for tours?

Go watch the videos of the dudes touring. they were all good till this shit happened. And if they weren't and Meth was putting an act on for all those months he's just as shady as Ringz..

Anyway fuck this topic, exact same shit as the last thread lol.. Ringz should never of deleted the "it's coming" thread. I never agreed with any of that sneaky shit. But it is what it is.. This shits years old now.

The whole Wu camp are shady as fuck. all coning each other, suing each other, all kinds of snake shit.

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Originally Posted by Origin™

Also as you seem to be obessed with Ringz and know fuck all about the dude other than some imaginary shit you've made up in your bedroom talking to idiots online. How about some facts..

Also. Meth hates Ringz? He sure as hell didn't whilst he wwas touring the entire world with the dude.. Guess you didn't know about that either.. lol

Guess because I deal with facts though I must be a "cac" ahahaha.. It's deffo time that fucking idiot was banned.

“I teamed up with RPEG for n. e. representation and international business assistance in late 2002 when the company took on their first job which was an impressive world tour no other hip-hop artist had done before. I’ve been working with RPEG ever since on various projects ranging from productions to tours to network solutions and media relations. They’re an ambitious bunch that doesn’t know any limits and have certainly added their expertise to my work. RPEG is definitely the type of company you need on your team, next to your managers, to stretch your limits even further.” – RZA

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look at this nut hugging, are you a grown man? disgusting!

of course origin calling for a ban cuz i speak NOTHING BUT TRUTH. that's the first things people who cant debate call for dealing with higher powers,

pasting fucking ringz press release done by rza are you fucking serious my dude? this is who im arguing with... yall are simple as FUCK its sad

i told yall last time, everytime this shit is mentioned i will make it clear what my thoyughts are on this album. once every 3 months i will say my peace and expand ont he information i hear STRAIGHT FROM THE WU.

ringz keep saying rae called it brilliant but WONT ACKNOWLEDGE RAE CALLED IT TACKY BUSINESS ON ONEOF THE BIGGEST PODCASTS IN HIP HOP.

so fuck off dude. i aint the one who HAS to explain myself everytime this shit comes up, i didnt come up with this dumb ass idea. all iwant is good music from wutang and some faggot went ahead and strung all of US along so he could make a buck. he knows noone likes him, he knows hes a snake. he knows hes literally a NOBODY in hiphop and his name couldnt generate a dollar but he used the wu to "have my art in museums". whaaaaaat. this is the user of all users. straight succubus for personal gain shit.

he keeps telling me to read HIS book.. i aint paying you a dollar to hear about an album I CANT HEAR. how fucking bougie and presumptuous are you that you think people will pay money to read about a making of an album THEY CANT HEAR that YOU made. who the fuck are you?

fuck outta here. you and your eteam can spin it anyway yall want, you been called out for this bullshit. the fact ringz wont acknowledge the criticisms from the recent radio interviews from meth, rae, ugod, cap and killa is telling. keep bringing up OLD shit when RECENT talk is the OPPOSITE. hide ya hand ass bum i wasnt born in europe

this album better be worth it. cuz all its done is cause problems within the clan and the base. you wanna be something your not and used rzas brand and the clans loyalty to that brand to make a name for yourself. museum music...picccassso paintings...rare art... by cilvaringz...

LMAO. FUCK OUTTA HERE, its embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by ForensikZ

of course origin calling for a ban cuz i speak NOTHING BUT TRUTH. that's the first things people who cant debate call for dealing with higher powers,

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What debate are you talking about? There has never been a debate of what happened.

Everybody on this board has known what happened with this LP since the get go. You obviously missed the massive as fuck thread dedicated to it since it's inception as a Killa Priest lp..

I've shit on Ringz more than you ever have. Difference is I ain't got no feelings or bias towards dude. You're the one obessed with him

I'm a "nut hugger" for not agreeing with your bullshit? you're a clown my dude..

You need to be banned simply for the shit you talk to people. I dunno if your a troll or just stupid. Everybody on this board is a "euro cac whitey" according to all the insults you give out..

Half the people I seen you say that shit about are from the US and Black. you just dumb as fuck lol Calling people from Australia EURO cacs.. Your whole shit is boring as fuck.

Like I said before I was never down with the shady way the L.P progressed, especially because of the "It's Coming" thread, and the contribution everybody on this board put into the subject of building the ultimate Wu lp for the fans.

Lets just end this shit I ain't wasting anymore time on it.

Anyway.. Peace..

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

You know what's funny about all this... A lot of you are willing to quote whatever source you like to make your point that this is not a Wu-Tang Clan album, or that I did some snake shit, or whatever. Yet none of you would quote the book Cyrus Bozorgmehr wrote and give our side of the story. Personally I don't care, well maybe a bit otherwise I wouldn't bring it up, but it's some funny shit. You'll quote U-God talking about this album not being a real Wu-Tang album, and then just a few hours ago Uyi is talking about it being one (http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/06/wu-tan...me-in-shaolin/). You'll quote Masta Killa calling it a mixtape 3 years later, but you won't quote his original statement in the original Forbes piece which was an actual digital recording in which he expressed joy of being part of this "musical portrait". Go to Scluzay.com and hear both Ghostface and Raekwon talk about this as a Wu-Tang Clan album. No more, no less. Yet when two silly journalists from Bloomberg dangle a supposed 2 million dollar paycheck in front of two felons down on their luck, and two disgruntled managers, suddenly their opinions can constitute what a real Wu album is and what is not??? Better than RZA? Seriously?

And you might want to pull up an interview Masta Killa did with Peter Rosenberg. While Peter was playing Killa songs of his catalogue, they stumble upon Winter Warz. But it's not the version off Iron Man, but the version as used on Don't Be A Menace soundtrack. As you all know, that version starts with a different intro and Killa didn't recognize it, to which Peter asked (if my memory serves me right) something in the sphere of "didn't you know where this song would end up at when you were recording it?". To which Killa said that back then they would just record music, and things would end up at wherever RZA wanted to. And this is how a lot of the early works were recorded, according to the Abbott himself. This is why The Faster Blade and Assassination Day ended up on Iron Man, despite Ghostface not being on them. This is why a bunch of tracks on Beneath The Surface don't even have GZA on them. Does that make those albums fake Ghostface albums or fake GZA albums? The beats to Shadowboxin' and Ice Cream were made within a 2 hour span from one another. This was the organic approach that was taken back then when recording Wu music, no matter where it would end up at. You think "One Blood Under W", "In The Hood" and "Radioactive" were songs recorded for The W and Iron Flag? Those were songs recorded for Masta Killa's album. Are they now fake Wu-Tang Clan songs? If the logic you want to apply to OUATIS is justified than you should apply it to these songs as well. But it's bullshit, because that's how shit gets made. Organic recording. And thank God for that. Because we all know how the actual "hey be there at 3 tomorrow we're gonna record a Wu-Tang Clan album" approach has worked out for the last three Clan albums. You don't need my word for it, there's enough about it in the press. And this is why OUATIS sounds the way it sounds. Because there were no strings attached. Just pure organic recordings.

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

Noone's attacking Killa for not recognizing the intro. It's a story to highlight how he came to explain how earlier Wu-Tang works were made. As for the RZA architect vs Cilvaringz architect arguement, that's actually not a bad way of looking at it, even though RZA was involved in architectual work of the record. But to take that further, would it then be fair to say that if there was a similar Wu-Tang Clan album done by 4th Disciple or True Master, would it equally be seen as a 'fake' Wu-tang Clan album? Does that mean the Saga Continues album is a fake Wu-Tang Clan album? Cause that's certainly being promoted as one and the Clan doesn't seem to mind or are actually promoting it as such.. and how does that bode for the upcoming Wu-Tang Clan album, the one orchestrated by Ghostface?

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You are right Ringz. I was trying to be a bit more diplomatic. Instead of saying,

"If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s not Rza."

I should have said...

"If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s Cilvaringz."

If I am correct then you are implying that the issue wasn't so much that Rza wasn't the main creative force, but rather that you were, because if it had been anybody else (True Master, Ghostface, Mathematics, 4th Disciple), then it would have been more acceptable to both the group members, and to the hardcore fans.

Personally I think that's its a mixture of both sentiments, depending on whom you are dealing with.

Crash and burning again. Top kek.

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Originally Posted by forensikz

look at this nut hugging, are you a grown man? Disgusting!

Of course origin calling for a ban cuz i speak nothing but truth. That's the first things people who cant debate call for dealing with higher powers,

pasting fucking ringz press release done by rza are you fucking serious my dude? This is who im arguing with... Yall are simple as fuck its sad

i told yall last time, everytime this shit is mentioned i will make it clear what my thoyughts are on this album. Once every 3 months i will say my peace and expand ont he information i hear straight from the wu.

Ringz keep saying rae called it brilliant but wont acknowledge rae called it tacky business on oneof the biggest podcasts in hip hop.

So fuck off dude. I aint the one who has to explain myself everytime this shit comes up, i didnt come up with this dumb ass idea. All iwant is good music from wutang and some faggot went ahead and strung all of us along so he could make a buck. He knows noone likes him, he knows hes a snake. He knows hes literally a nobody in hiphop and his name couldnt generate a dollar but he used the wu to "have my art in museums". Whaaaaaat. This is the user of all users. Straight succubus for personal gain shit.

He keeps telling me to read his book.. I aint paying you a dollar to hear about an album i cant hear. How fucking bougie and presumptuous are you that you think people will pay money to read about a making of an album they cant hear that you made. Who the fuck are you?

Fuck outta here. You and your eteam can spin it anyway yall want, you been called out for this bullshit. The fact ringz wont acknowledge the criticisms from the recent radio interviews from meth, rae, ugod, cap and killa is telling. Keep bringing up old shit when recent talk is the opposite. Hide ya hand ass bum i wasnt born in europe

this album better be worth it. Cuz all its done is cause problems within the clan and the base. You wanna be something your not and used rzas brand and the clans loyalty to that brand to make a name for yourself. Museum music...picccassso paintings...rare art... By cilvaringz...

Lmao. Fuck outta here, its embarrassing.

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awesome !!!! Well said my dude my loyal wu fan. You spoke for me too !!! Peace my dude