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03-10-2006, 06:41 AM
Maboya

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except that they came from the caucus mountains . from that their is the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley in india.

They mos def were in the Caucasus, but they didn't invade no ancient Egypt or ancient India from there.

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after which we get the greeks

The Greeks came a good amount of time AFTER the invasions that you allude to when you said "the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley".

And are you saying that the Greeks/Whites had to RECONQUER these same lands you mentioned? Because according to history it was ALEXANDER THE GREEK and them who conquered these lands and set off their rulership.

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while in the indus valley the first caste system is started bu these 'aryans' from the mid-east.

Aryans from the Mid-East?? Source?

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the first crusades the taking of the cultures from egypt and indus valley.

Crusade implies HOLY WAR. What is your source that these supposed wars that you mention (Caucasians taking of Egypt and India) had a so-called religous purpose?

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the second crusades the roman empire in their expansion

See above.

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and assimilating of those they conquered. the third crusade the christians against the muslims for jerusalem.

How can you mention Christians going against Muslims for Jerusalem, and not FIRST mention it was Muslims who FIRST went against Christians for the very same city?

Anyway, YES those wars (the major Crusades) had to do with caucasians, but NOT on the Christian side.

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First Crusade

Full article: First Crusade

After Byzantine emperor Alexius I called for help with defending his empire against the Seljuk Turks, in 1095 at the Council of Clermont Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, a war which would count as full penance. Crusader armies marched to Jerusalem, sacking several cities on their way. In 1099, they took Jerusalem and massacred the population. As a result of the First Crusade, several small Crusader states were created, notably the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Following this crusade there was a second, unsuccessful wave of crusaders, the Crusade of 1101.

The Seljuk Turks were Caucasians. Haha

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each 'crusade' was not just a evolutionary step in the progress of his (white mans) means of civilization but was through the force of war upon those who resisted their culture and society and values it espoused.

Certain whites did use the term, but that was later in history, and not during the time period you suggest. (which was the alleged Caucasians taking of Egypt and India, Greeks and Romans)
03-10-2006, 01:52 PM
dif de la rev

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Originally Posted by Maboya

They mos def were in the Caucasus, but they didn't invade no ancient Egypt or ancient India from there. no, they had have traveled to get there

The Greeks came a good amount of time AFTER the invasions that you allude to when you said "the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley". yes but then have you read stoilen legacy

And are you saying that the Greeks/Whites had to RECONQUER these same lands you mentioned? Because according to history it was ALEXANDER THE GREEK and them who conquered these lands and set off their rulership. the interaction upon which the greeks went for their 'higher learning'

Aryans from the Mid-East?? Source? are not aryans desvribed as white skinned from which the caste system was started against the dravidians base on a light high up and dark shut out outcast

Crusade implies HOLY WAR. What is your source that these supposed wars that you mention (Caucasians taking of Egypt and India) had a so-called religous purpose? ok if not a crudase then lets say a rape and pillage for against a culture they could not assimilate into

See above.

How can you mention Christians going against Muslims for Jerusalem, and not FIRST mention it was Muslims who FIRST went against Christians for the very same city? a city in the very mid east mentioned in the old testament in the land area that the now called jews went through after they had cleared the land of the people for which their god had promised

Anyway, YES those wars (the major Crusades) had to do with caucasians, but NOT on the Christian side.

The Seljuk Turks were Caucasians. Haha did i say otherwise, but they must have been seen as heathen to the christian which would make them no better than a muslim

Certain whites did use the term, but that was later in history, and not during the time period you suggest. (which was the alleged Caucasians taking of Egypt and India, Greeks and Romans)

are you implying that the cultures of egypt and india were never touched by the white man ?

let's just say we don't agree and that you won't change me to go with your program/agenda of thinking by dissecting it into splitting hairs.
03-10-2006, 09:45 PM
Maboya

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no, they had have traveled to get there

Obviously they had to travel. But that still doesn't prove they traveled from the Caucasus, because history records that they were coming from Greek lands.

http://www3.la.psu.edu/courses/image...20conquest.jpg

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yes but then have you read stoilen legacy

What about that book?

And how are Caucasians from the Caucasus conquering these lands that not even the GREEKS had conquered yet? Seeing as that one time the GREEKS WERE THOSE CAUCASIANS.

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the interaction upon which the greeks went for their 'higher learning'

At one time, yes they did go for higher learning. But we're not discussing when the Greeks went to learn (which BTW was BEFORE they went out to conquer) but of the Caucasian conquests of EGYPT and INDIA.

So again, are you saying that the Greeks/Whites had to RECONQUER these very same lands that you said the Caucasians from the Caucasus had already conquered? Because, and I must keep repeating this, according to history it was ALEXANDER THE GREEK and them who conquered these lands (EGYPT and some of INDIA) and set off their rulership.

So what source do you have that backs up your original assertion?

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are not aryans desvribed as white skinned from which the caste system was started against the dravidians base on a light high up and dark shut out outcast

I'm not questioning the alleged origin of the Aryans, but I'm questioning YOU saying they were of the Middle East. Source?

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a city in the very mid east mentioned in the old testament in the land area that the now called jews went through after they had cleared the land of the people for which their god had promised

Right, but I was just highlighting how you were saying that the Christians made a crusade to get the city, but yet failed to mention how it was a Muslim 'holy war' that first took it from out of Christian hands.

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did i say otherwise, but they must have been seen as heathen to the christian which would make them no better than a muslim

Since you were mentioning all these alleged "crusades" that caucasians were doing and then brought up that the Christians made one against certain Muslims for Jerusalem the implication was that these Muslims somehow were dealt an injustice by Caucasians, failing to mention how those very Muslims were Seljuk TURKS and NOT original ARABS.

And it got no more 'heathenistic' then the Muslim Turks (converted caucasians), especially the Seljuks.

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are you implying that the cultures of egypt and india were never touched by the white man ?

No, I'm rather saying that the use of the word "crusade" was a misleading one. And those lands were indeed touched bv the white man and leading the way was Alexander, not some phantom caucasians in some sketchy distant past.

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let's just say we don't agree and that you won't change me to go with your program/agenda of thinking by dissecting it into splitting hairs.

That's how a conversation would be conducted in real time, so yes I must "disect" your statements in order to bring clarity to this discussion. And it's not about me trying to "change you to go with my program/agenda" but the information that you're presenting being tried and tested...or did you expect people just to except it on face value??
03-10-2006, 10:05 PM
Aqueous Moon

Damn!..I'm wondering right now, like who gives a fuck about the blah blah blah...I mean teach me something I can relate to...otherwise your intelligence is for naught.

This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.

Most people can't relate...and the most important thing is teaching the people, right??
03-10-2006, 10:34 PM
Maboya

What true knowledagble people can't relate to is the belief that the caucasian has been ruling for 6,000 years. If you're not here to defend that point or acknowledge that it's false why are you here talking shit asking for someone to teach you? The REAL reason you mad is because that is one of your teachings and you're not prepared to/can't defend it so you trying to throw the conversation off.

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This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.

I'mma tell you now this is the M.O. of alot of 5 percenters when their teachngs are put to the fire.

Please explain for all of us how a conversation on history is bullshit? Was that the sentiment of Clarence your Father Allah back in the day? Not to read, build, or do the knowledge on history?

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Most people can't relate...

Speak for yourself. This conversation, or rather the bullshit that the caucasian has ruled for 6,000 years is something that even a 7th grader would laugh at.

edit: If you're not prepared to read, why the fuck you even posting on Know the Ledge? The fuck is your purpose here?
03-10-2006, 11:05 PM
dif de la rev

tell how did the white man come to ruyle thje earh and sea and air as he has done via his mind or his incorporating of other peoples thoughts and knowledge for we all know he has yet to produce that which others have already done. the white man is the new kid on the block. by genetics and culture. you are batt;ling with ideologies which define a persons way of life so you must weant tyhem to change that if not their thinking and how they interpet this world.

i have read your other posts and you do this with everyone you don't agree with.

as you said don't agree and so a conversation will turn to not a discussion but hair splitting over minutae details that will have one change their minds , that is not a discussion for their wil be no agreement just a conversion.
03-10-2006, 11:40 PM
Aqueous Moon

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Originally Posted by Maboya

What true knowledagble people can't relate to is the belief that the caucasian has been ruling for 6,000 years. If you're not here to defend that point or acknowledge that it's false why are you here talking shit asking for someone to teach you? The REAL reason you mad is because that is one of your teachings and you're not prepared to/can't defend it so you trying to throw the conversation off.

I'mma tell you now this is the M.O. of alot of 5 percenters when their teachngs are put to the fire.

Please explain for all of us how a conversation on history is bullshit? Was that the sentiment of Clarence your Father Allah back in the day? Not to read, build, or do the knowledge on history?

Speak for yourself. This conversation, or rather the bullshit that the caucasian has ruled for 6,000 years is something that even a 7th grader would laugh at.

edit: If you're not prepared to read, why the fuck you even posting on Know the Ledge? The fuck is your purpose here?

Hahaha..this is some bullshit...you can't teach nobody wit all that ARGUMENT CRAP....I can't relate...Period.

Come with some real knowledge...otherwise, keep speaking into the wind but, no one wil hear you .

And..I have raised many from the dead with simple logic....your blah blah crap is boring and unproducitve.
03-11-2006, 12:09 AM
Maboya

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Originally Posted by dif de la rev

tell how did the white man come to ruyle thje earh and sea and air as he has done via his mind or his incorporating of other peoples thoughts and knowledge for we all know he has yet to produce that which others have already done. the white man is the new kid on the block. by genetics and culture. you are batt;ling with ideologies which define a persons way of life so you must weant tyhem to change that if not their thinking and how they interpet this world.

It's quite obvious HOW they did it - but that wasn't the question. It was how LONG have they done it, your assertion (which remains unproven) was for 6,000 years.

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i have read your other posts and you do this with everyone you don't agree with.

I asked you a question that you have refused to/can't answer - so instead you want to question my "other posts" - but anyway, yes, anyone I disagree with I sometimes question the information that they present. The reason why should be apparent now.

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as you said don't agree and so a conversation will turn to not a discussion but hair splitting over minutae details

Trying to downplay YOUR OWN assertions doesn't help your arguement. So what are these "minute details" that you refer to??

Was it * Caucasians ruling for 6,000 years?
* Caucasians conquering Egypt and India even before Greeks did it?
* Aryans coming from the Middle East?
03-11-2006, 12:18 AM
Maboya

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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon

Hahaha..this is some bullshit...you can't teach nobody wit all that ARGUMENT CRAP....I can't relate...Period.

I'm not trying to teach anyone here. Or maybe you missed where they refused to answer a simple quetion - and then said that they won't change their mind about their own still unproven piece of information? And the only one who came with an argumentitive stance here was YOU.

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Come with some real knowledge...otherwise, keep speaking into the wind but, no one wil hear you .

Speak for yourself. And what is "real knowledge" - would that be something like 'the white man has been ruling for 6,000 years'??

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And..I have raised many from the dead with simple logic....your blah blah crap is boring and unproducitve.

Let me find out your Sunny/Noggins Wooly/Winters in a dress.
03-11-2006, 12:21 AM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by Maboya

Let me find out your Sunny/Noggins Wooly/Winters in a dress.

wilson !

you just don't learn your lesson

how many lumps you want ?
03-11-2006, 12:44 AM
LORD NOSE

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Originally Posted by Maboya

Let me find out your Sunny/Noggins Wooly/Winters in a dress.

and even if i was in a fuckin dress what the fuck you gonna do

don't answer though i already know the answer

how is a nigga who wears shiny gold pants and leather head bands and army boots on the corner gonna talk shit anyway

old rhinestone wearing ass lmao - nigga shut the fuck up

your agent failed the test
03-11-2006, 01:10 AM
Aqueous Moon

Naw...lol..I'm Aqueous and Maboya, your boring and unproductive.
03-11-2006, 01:22 AM
dif de la rev

no comment
03-11-2006, 04:42 AM
Maboya

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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon

Naw...lol..I'm Aqueous and Maboya, your boring and unproductive.

Sometimes facts can be "boring"...

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Damn!..I'm wondering right now, like who gives a fuck about the blah blah blah...I mean teach me something I can relate to...otherwise your intelligence is for naught.

This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.

Most people can't relate...and the most important thing is teaching the people, right??

I had to comment on this again, because to be honest it reminded me of your very first post on KTL.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10507
03-11-2006, 04:53 AM
Bloo

My my... race topics are always fun here :)

Well let's think about this for a second. Having read some of those pages here they say that these rappers are racist. Some of them I'm sure are while others aren't of course, but one thing I did notice is that they just focused on blacks hate towards whites while not even mentioning the ammonut of times most of these rappers refer to other blacks and themselves as niggers. Guess they don't mind if we hate each other just as long as we don't hate them.

What some of these people need to realize is that growing up black you run into more whites that don't look at you as equals because of where you come from. Most of these rappers came from the ghetto where whites wouldn't have even acknowleged their existance if not for their money making abilites. These rappers are the same metality-wise now that they were when they were poor and in the projects. Don't think that Meth or Ice-T aren't any more goofy or corny then they were back in the hood, they still do the same shit, they just do it in a different area now. And I'm sure they're a lot more calm because they don't have to watch their back like thay had to in the hood.

But whites have this thing, once a hood nigga always a hood nigga. When I have no doubt in my mind if any of these rappers white neighbors went to their houses they'd see that it was run a lot like their own. Kids running around like crazy, toys on the floor, people watching TV and whatnot. But they think that all blacks do is get high and fuck and they're too afraid to get to know them because they don't wanna get raped or hooked on drugs when it's not even like that. There's a reason that rappers live in these neighborhoods, because they want the same kinda life that everyone else has. They wanna be able to come home after work and relax without having to worry about who's gonna steal their cars or shoot up their house. They want a quiet life just like the whites they live around. But these white just see the blacks in their neighborhood as an intrusion, so if that's the case then Fuck Whitey!

Not all whites of course :)

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