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03-27-2006, 03:34 PM
Maboya

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I don't know how "mysterious" it is with the Reality that is mainfested right before us. -- Maboya

That's what they want the masses to believe. -- Moon

Your comment is at best ambiguous, please add some clarity to it.

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But tell us how you specifically KNOW - as you have indicated by your statement above. -- Maboya

I already have. - Moon

Are you Aqua Luna?

If so, you havn't in the least shown how you KNOW there to be no Creator.

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Oxygen is an atmosphereic gas that can be tested and meausured...

Yes, and there is a degree of ORDER within it effecting us here on earth.

And this indicates something more then just the understanding of how it's percieved to function...which was my point.

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I don't have to be omniscient to breathe.

But you would have to be "omniscient" to say something will "NEVER be proven".

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It trasnsforms to water and ice according to the movement of it's molecules...this is all science. There is nothing omniscient about it.

I never said there's anything omniscient about oxygen - I said you are making yourself omniscient claiming something "will never be proven".

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It cannot and will not ever be proven to be so. -- Moon

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Also, since when have you been omniscient to say something will "NEVER be proven"?? -- Maboya

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The proof rests with the fact that there's a true science called CAUSE and EFFECT. There is no Effect (the universe) without a Cause (a First Cause). -- Maboya

The universe would be the Cause - your exsistence would be the effect. -- Moon

Then you would have to say this is only your BELIEF - or - are you ready to PROVE that the universe always existed?

Please show us anything that wasn't Caused by another thing (Cause and Effect).

This universe of yours is sounding kind of "magical" and "spooky" to be honest.

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What we see before us in the Universe amounts to an infinite amount MORE of EVIDENCE then you and others of likemind have to offer to prove that there is no God. (a Supreme Power, a Cause) -- Maboya

I never said that there is no God.
I said that the Origianal Asiatic Blackman is God. -- Moon

Are you ready to Prove the "Original Asiatic Black Man" was the Cause that borned the Universe.?? (Effect)

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The 'Mystery God' is a trick...and it originated in Europe.

The mystery God is the hidden truth that God is actually Black, the "trick" is on those who missed this obvious point. And NO belief or theological system started in Europe. Ever hear of Akhenaton?
03-27-2006, 03:52 PM
Aqueous Moon

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Originally Posted by Maboya

Your comment is at best ambiguous, please add some clarity to it.
The powers that be want you to believe that reality is caused by a mysterygod.

Are you Aqua Luna? yes

If so, you havn't in the least shown how you KNOW there to be no Creator.
I have never attempted that. I am proving that the Blackman is God.

Yes, and there is a degree of ORDER within it effecting us here on earth.

Indicating something more then just the understanding of how it's percieved to function...which was my point.
That is ambiguous^. Understanding the universe is the best way to manifest God.

But you would have to be to say something will "NEVER be proven".
You can never prove that 1 + 2 = 4. NEVER.

I never said there's anything omniscient about oxygen, I said you are making yourself omniscient claiming something will never be proven.
No, Im not.

Then you would have to say that is only your BELIEF, or are you ready to PROVE that the universe always existed? Ask NASA
Please show us anything that wasn't Caused by another thing (Cause and Effect). This universe of yours is sounding magical to be honest.
These are YOUR beliefs. I was showing you how fallible they are.

Are you ready to Prove the "Original Asiatic Black Man" was the Cause that borned the Universe.?? (Effect) I don't have to prove to you your own beliefs about the concepts of God and the creation of the Universe.
I don't follow those same fallacies - at all.

The mystery God is the hidden truth that God is actually Black, the "trick" is on those who missed that obvious point. And NO belief or theological system started in Europe. Ever hear of Akhenaton?

The mystery God is the concept of an omnipotent, unseen being who magically created the universe and the weather and can't ever be proven to exsit.

I don't have to be omniscient to breathe.

Lies started in Europe...if you equate that to theological beliefs then we have come to a consensus about something.
03-27-2006, 04:25 PM
Maboya

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he powers that be want you to believe that reality is caused by a mysterygod.

Which powers would that be? The ones I know of teach there is no Creator.

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That is ambiguous^. Understanding the universe is the best way to manifest God.

Something more is indicated by the order we see in the universe, in oxygen, etc.

Or did it magically and mysteriously retain a degree of order by itself? And can you prove that?

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You can never prove that 1 + 2 = 4. NEVER.

Straw man.

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No, Im not

Um, yes you are. Saying something will never be proven is saying you possess all knowledge.

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Ask NASA

Should I ask NASA if the Asiatic Black man is God as well? Let's be serious. Show and Prove or concede the point.

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These are YOUR beliefs. I was showing you how fallible they are.

Cause and Effect is not a "belief" - it is true science. Your belief however of Effect (a Universe) wthout a cause is not - and lies within the realm of belief.

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I don't have to prove to you your own beliefs about the concepts of God and the creation of the Universe.

See above. What Order and Cause enabled the Black man to be the Original? Was it your spooky mysterious ever present univerese? Does it possess intelligence?

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The mystery God is

According to?

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the concept of an omnipotent, unseen being

Who said that it is not partially seen within the universe we all see - and through the original man?

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who magically created

To say "magically" is only your assertion. I say it takes a high degree of science, knowledge, wisdom and understanding. This logic of "magically" originated with the European and not with original people.

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the universe and the weather and can't ever be proven to exsit.

What can be seen is Order (you do understand what this implies, yes?) within many key aspects of our existence here, oxygen and gravity being some examples.

Cause and Effect is also true science (as opposed to the universe magically always existing) - and some people call that Cause "God" which is a European term that took the place of the Hebrew word for POWER which is AHLA - as the Creator (Cause) was understood to be the Power/Energy that Effected (Cause and Effect) the Universe.

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Lies started in Europe...

Assertion.

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if you equate that to theological beliefs then we have come to a consensus about something.

So have you ever heard of Akhenaton's theological belief system or not? And what does this say of your assertion that the "mystery god" came from Europe?
03-27-2006, 04:28 PM
Aqueous Moon

To boring and unproductive...

I'll resign so, if anyone else wants to build -

Please do so.
03-27-2006, 04:33 PM
hectis

GOD DID NOT COME FROM ANYWERE EVERYWERE CAME FROM GOD
03-27-2006, 04:34 PM
whitey

if there must be an uncaused first cause, what caused god?
03-27-2006, 04:34 PM
Maboya

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To boring and unproductive...

I'll resign so, if anyone else wants to build -

Please do so.

i.e. you've been Destroyed.
03-27-2006, 04:40 PM
Aqueous Moon

I didn't even waste time reading that book.
03-27-2006, 04:42 PM
galt john galt

how seriously should religion have over the sway of my life with relavency to god holy books prophets and truth via reality facts history and society to which politics and economics are intergrated in the community i reside in - like an institution where people admit themselves to a facility where an experiment is being conducted based on one's conscious. i know people of different faiths who you have to respect for views but the truth has one view - plain as face of day out the clear blue that comes from over yoonder that gets personal like a reflecting mirror of a conscience.

it says what standards to live by. who's the enemy. how to regulate economy. it has a structure of a civilization where big brother watches and get your heaven or hell when die. what good works will ensure big brother is happy and what the rewards are for being obedient or dispespectful.

a bluerprint for a brain scheme that is not fully in right mind so that left off that side of table. like tress and grasses some too wild some to pacifist.

i can live without a building that says worship house to place prayers and offerings, time spent bettering yourself couldn't be worse. - no joke.
03-27-2006, 04:43 PM
My First Timbs

this poll is flawd (not intenionally tho) but it nees to be clarified that the atheist takes religion very very seriously..

in many cases more seriously than those who believe in divine deities
03-27-2006, 04:43 PM
hectis

GOD ALWAYS HAS AND WILL BE NOTHING MADE GOD BUT GOD MADE EVERYTHING
03-27-2006, 04:44 PM
hectis

What Book ?
03-27-2006, 04:50 PM
Aqueous Moon

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Originally Posted by hectis

What Book ?

I'm talking about Maboya's last post.

Some say that the words of a fool are plenty...now I know why they say that.
03-27-2006, 04:50 PM
Maboya

hectis, she's refering to my reply to her. Moon apparently only wishes to give simple (emphasis on simple) answers without the offering up of any explanations.
03-27-2006, 04:51 PM
My First Timbs

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Originally Posted by whitey

if there must be an uncaused first cause, what caused god?

http://www.acalltosanity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20

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