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See, I just can't see the need to alter my conciousness in any way that dulls it...even a bit...
And the idea of not "drinking to get drunk" has always meant to me " I drink to fit in" coz if you aren't geting drunk, or at least tipsy....why drink something so unhealthy and expensive?
"You're much less fun when sober"
I would strongly disagree....if you are sober around drunk people you realize they aren't FUN - they have just become stupider.
Oh yeah, and here in Australia they are trying to work out the rampid binge drinking and alcoholism problems with the youth....even at uni it's hard to overhear a conversation that isn't about what someone drank on the weekend or how drunk they got.
''Ignorance is bliss''
^ ignonorance is temporary bliss though, a distraction that causes more problems in the long run...
This is a funny subject with me. I never liked drinking, but I used to do it alot when I was younger like 15. Quit for a good 6 years, when I turned 21 I went crazy with it. Alot of times I drink the reason is like you said, I forget about all the shit thats going crazy in my life for 4-6 hours and I don't have to deal with anything, I'm just having fun. You're right it does make people dumber, it is way to acceptible, and it is force fed down our throats.
I was at a keg party last night btw...
alcohol has been around for 1000s of years. god bless the man who let his fruit rot and had the guts to drink it.
egyptians had beer.
every civilization drank wine.
your consciousness has many levels. it is healthy to give your ego a rest and let the id drive for a minute. it is also good to alter your consciousness from time to time.
reality is like an abstract sculpture, you can gain new insight into its meaning and get an even better appreciation of its beauty by viewing it from diff angles.
this is what drugs like lsd, thc, and alcohol can do.
now about the fun/nofun thing.... the reason u thought they were stupid was because your consciousness was not vibrating on their frequency. if you were to slow your vibration down you could see what was so fun/funny.
think about the game candyland. remember that game? wasn't it fun? try playing it now. not so fun huh? now put it in a room full of 6 year olds, magically the game becomes fun again. the game didn't change, just the perspective of the participants.
fun is relative. just as beauty is rellative. funny thing is that drinking makes people funnier and more attractive. what can be wrong with a room full of beautiful funloving folk.
everything in moderation.
I did a 34 second keg stand, best time at the party. I also projectile vomited foam all over the place when I was done, it was pretty extreme. :r:r:rQuote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
I was 2 and 0 in peer pong last night :)
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Originally Posted by STYLEMASTERR
Ugh I hate throwing up. But you know it wasn't like vomiting, it's just when you ingest too much foam and it comes right back out instead of going down. I guess cause it just foams and bubbles straight back up your throat instead of making its way to your stomache.
This is true, but I hate it so much. The way the taste stains your tongue and shit, and just that hot heavy feeling your head gets before you eject your stomaches contents.
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ah yes the prayer to the porcelain god. "please just get me thru this and i'll never get this drunk again"
which pales in comparison to the "stationary rollercoaster" where your brain spins and wobbles out of control.
There are some very stupid points in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLEMASTERR
1. Let your ego have a rest? We are unconcious in sleep about a third of our lives. And I don't think alcohol is a real "rest" as I don't think it helps one better deal with things. Also, I am 100% capable (as is any person who hasn't drunk and felt the need to build up lies to themselves to justify it) of relaxing without any chemicals. I can get very relaxed or happy just kicking it with a book or dvd....being able to do this YOURSELF at will is a sign of health...not needing a poison to shut down certain parts of the brain.
2. Thousands of years? So what? Every civilisation has done it.....big deal? It never contributed positively in any way. Some societies where alcohol was not the social norm also did alot - Look and Al Andulus for example. Also, by this logic the fact that the Ancient Egyptians and all great civilisations have had murder means it is good and we should continue it? The fact it has been done for a long time, by many people adds no credibility to it - and it sounds alot more like a justification than a logical argument in alcohol's favor.
3. While some things like alcohol and LSD etc can give you another view on reality it is a distorted view. And while you may gain some useful insights from this, there is alot of damage to the brain. I saw a show on extacy the other day and after 7 years of using ecstasy once the brain had only recovered to HALF its seretonin levels. That is FUCKED. I am sure heavy hallucigens like LSD etc also have very bad effects. I know of more than one person who has developed schizoprenia through drug use. Also ALL the insights gained from these chemicals could be acheived naturally, more beneficially through natural methods such as meditation.
4. Yes. That is right. I had not become DUMBER like them, and so we did not find the same things amusing. "Vibrating" - shit you make it sound like they have been elevated up to a higher level - it isn't like they were sporadically spitting divine poetry, or gaining great insisghts into metaphysics....or as if their sense of humour had even imrpoved! When some one sits there mumbling shit like "I love you man...." and laughing their head of at shit that doesn't make sense they have become STUPIDER. So we are at different levels because they have gone down...not coz I failed to move. Also, this is proven in the fact that alcohol doesn't increase ANY functions of the mind. Its effects come soley from INHIBITING certain faculties. So yes, from a scientific perspective too they have become DUMBER.
5. Your justification for all of this is that we should return to the mentality of a 6 year old?! LMFAO!
Now, I think as people get older they lose some good things - eg, innocence, lack of judgment, imagination. However, in order to retain any of these it should NOT require a person to lose the intellect and reasoning faculties that have developed since.
Imagination and enjoyment are not mutually exclusive to intellect. In fact, they should work together to bring about higher levels of fun and enjoyment. Also, like I said...peopel don't get drunk to be more fun...they simply dumb themselves down to make their own boredom seem more interesting.
Mankind moves forward by our ideas. Some of us will contribute to humanity with our ideas, or at least try our best to, while others think the pinacle of life is getting lost in a childlike stupour to forget how much they don't like themselves.
Also, most people I have met who regularly drink seem no happier than me, if anything...I would say it is quite the opposite. They also seem to lack confidence and imagination which is why I think many people drink.
Also, I would like to say "moderation" seems to be a catch word. This is a recognition that alot of it would be bad. Hence, let's minimze the bad....so as to not do too much damage...
There is no moderation when you chose to be a thinking, logical human or a scared animal. Every time you much that choice it is one extreme or another. How often you make the wrong choice will obviously impact the amount of damage you do to yourself.
From my point of view (yes, it is only an opinion) renouncing conciousness for the bliss of ignorance is immoral. There is no moderation in immorality. Can you steal moderately? Rape moderately? Kill moderately? I really really feel like raping a woman...is it ok to just rape on every few months, in moderation?
Now you might say rape has a victim, drinking does not. Of course it does. Besides yourself, you are taking away from your potential to contribute to humanity with your mind, ideas, judgments - maybe if more people could think in this world some of its problems would start clearing up, coz we made this world what it is.
True moderation would be balance in a persons life. Meaning all areas are integral in the whole, and balanced. For example you look after your physical and mental health but don't let one take away from the other becoming unbalanced. You work and rest to get the right balance. Notice these are all things conducive to human existence and necessary, simply being kept in normal proportions, not useless negatives which must be limited to avoid ruin.
Alcohol is not necessary for our existence in anyway. It contributes nothing positive and has many downfalls. Oh, you need it to relax? Then you have a dependency problem! I don't drink at all...and I am hardly on the verge of having a breakdown, infact alcohol increases depression and mental disorders, so long run it is counter productive even in this respect.
The truth is (and someone can correct me if I am wrong) the ONLY benefit of alcohol is summed up (to a greater or lesser extent depending on how much you drink) in the maxim "ignorance is bliss." All other arguments offered can be reduced back to this.
Now if you drink. Fine, that is your business. But all that means is that there is something about you, your life or whatever, that makes you want to be less concious of it.