LMAO ...how much sun a person can handle depends entirely on the person!
People say some funny things....if that was true none of us would be different colours!
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LMAO ...how much sun a person can handle depends entirely on the person!
People say some funny things....if that was true none of us would be different colours!
LMAO!!!! What black man said is exactly what I said in another thread about vitamin D and calcium absorption!!!!!!!! AND IT IS NOT BULLSHIT!
I read it in scientific America. It leads to blacks having weaker bones and whites having more mental illnesses. That is why we are tending toward a medium skin colour as time goes on.
What is bullshit is the people who can't objectively recognize differences in races, maybe they are the closet racists?
That's just a few white people that can't handle the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
A few white people do not repersent a large variety of white people in different physical conditions.
I siad this already, so if you agree with what i'm saying why did you say I was wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
white people react to the sun in the same basic way...they burn
I was laughing at what you said! It is ridiculous!
How much stress from sun light a person can handle depends on their skin color. Now amongst white this will vary but if a white person could handle as much as a black person they would be as dark as the black person!
It's like saying strength depends on a person and not muscle size....it is ridiculous....I just don't know how someone can say it and not see anything wrong with it.
Using your analogy of muscles (even though muscles aren't melanin)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
Say you have someone who works out quite a bit everyday.
But when it's time to physically move all the boxes of fine china out of the warehouse, he starts whining....
"I don't want to move all the boxes, this sucks..."
Now you have someone, who never works out his muscles:
"I'm going to stay here until all the boxes are moved!"
Despite the fact this person never works out and is not as physically equipped as the muscle bound man, it's his will and determination that helps him get the job done.
Slippy, I see what you are saying. BUT your approach is totally unscientific for this reason: if you want to examine one factor you have to hold others constant to see the effect of it.
Now, I am not denying an individual's will, determination, motivation and conditioning do play a role in a person's ability. But what I do say is that if you take two people with equal will, determination, motivation and conditioning to move some heavy weight....the person with larger muscles will be more able at this.
Also, two people with equal determination and will etc to stay in the sun - if one is dark and one light the dark one (all other factors being equal) the dark one will ALWAYS last longer...since both would take as much as they can physically handle and the white skin would give out first.
Also, if a white person were to force themselves to stand more sun than they could take (which is definitely possible, will can greatly push one beyond normal limits), there are negative affects on both the body and long term effects on the skin. I live in Australia. Highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Odds are I already have skin cancers that will be removed one day. I know more than a few white people over fourty here who have had skin cancers removed. It is a huge killer here. All these people chose to handle more sun than was comfortable at one point - and many will die because of it. So you don't get something for nothing - ever.
Now I could stay out in the sun longer than a black person if I REALLY wanted to. But if we both really wanted to (say the first one to give in would be killed) then I would fry before the black person gave in. Also, I would reach my physical limit (of what is healthy) in the sun first...and therefore even in the first situation were I beat him I would incurr more damage to my body than him.
I never claimed that white people don't burn easier. That's affront to reason, I don't have time to play patty cake over misunderstandings.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
I just claimed that the amount of sun a person can handle isn't solely dependent on skin color.
If you throw flesh on the skillet, your still making fajitas at the same rate. Doesn't matter if it's chicken or steak.
Under your analogy again:
Two people from different ethnic backgrounds with equal determination stand in the sun to see who will survive the longest. They'll both die of thirst or heat stroke within minutes of each other. The minutes will decide who's gonna come through in a clutch.
You could throw in another factor ~like water~ but that would be cheating. People can always adjust the parameter of the experiment to their liking.
It's funny how you bring up "equality" when I'm the one trying to express equality between people.
People want to be "equal" but "equality" is not "individuality." So which is it?
You are the one picking at small points. yes, maybe they would both die of thirst....maybe not...I KNOW I could do my self some serious sun burn damage before dying of thirst...and like I said those Enlgish back packers here a few years back did not die of THIRST, the died from 3rd degree sunburns....so it would depend on the type of heat etc...we could give them water bottles. Besides....it seems melanin protects people from long term effects like skin cancer more importantly.
And it did sound like an affront to reason. Because I never said that skin color was the ONLY (I notice with you if I don't spell out everything I am not saying you assume what you like) factor in determining a persons tolerance to the sun. But it is the MAJOR factor in my opinion, especially because it is the one we have the least control over. Accross any population of people you will find varying degrees of the other factors, however skin color is very closely correlated to race! So I feel making the statement "black people tolerate the sun better than white people" is fine. If you want to stupidly infer that I am saying "All black people handle the sun better than all white people, and no factors but skin color play any role at all in the matter" - then good luck to you in life my friend :s
I feel sorry for you if you some how think you are making people equal here. I handle less sun than a black person, and you think that you should argue for white peoples' sun tolerance here to equate us with blacks? Do you really think the measure of a person is in how much sun they can handle? Yes, when it comes to sun tolerance I am inferior to people with dark skin. People with dark skin are at a disadvantage when it comes to swimming (not that I swim). The point it there are certain things in races that differ. To me that is fine, it makes us DIFFERENT - not inequal.
You are looking at it with these factors - what should we do make a scorecard and award points for all the different criteria?
- sun tolerance
-cold tolerance
- running
-swimming
and into all aspects of life? If you do this you will see there will be some categories where races strongly differ. You must be assuming that if people have different potentialities in different areas, one type of people some how matter more than another and you idea of equality is trying to rationalize all people to be equal in all categories - once again, good luck to you.
The way I see it is totally different. Human equality isn't based on a person's external abilities etc....it is based on the respect that DESPITE differences between all people we share fundamental similarities of having feelings, of being loved, of wanting to be happy, of wanting respect. We are NOT equal in the sense of being exactly the same. We are equal in value in humanity. 1+2+3=3+3 Notice how that appears in different forms of equal value? That is every human on this planet.
The truth is on any given level we are not all equal. Every different type of person has a use and we all compliment each other in the body of humanity. Now, I am fine with the fact that I am not made for the sun like black people, coz they are made for the cold like me. There is always a balancing advantage in any given disadvantage.
A good example of this is a while back I visited a Buddhist Temple and the was a nun there with a very dark purple birth-mark over her entire face. My first thought was one of feeling sorry for her, then I thought maybe having such an obvious birth mark prevented her from ever getting caught up in vanity etc....maybe it was a huge contributing factor that lead her to something more real (I don't know for sure if it was, but you get the idea of what I am saying).
Its like being short. In a fight you have less reach, but you have the lower center of gravity. Or that kid in a wheel chair I saw on Oprah who died really young, yet probably had more insight into life and lived a more full life than alot of people who live to 70 years. Infact, seeming disadvantages can often be great gifts when seen in a bigger perspective.
Also, I see no need to justify anything I lack in. I burn easily? So what. That is ME. I am happy with who I am, and I don't try and convince myself I am great in all areas, I just try to be the best me given the advantages and disadvantages I have been given.
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
In a controlled environment, you can take any two people with different skin tones in the whole world, equally matched physically, mentally what ever......
It would only prove:
Man A stood in the sun longer than Man B, on August 16.
That's the reality of this whole dialog we're having here.
So now you feel sorry for me because I'm speaking against whites being "sub-human" when compared to the Black Man Godly counter-part? Which has no real scientific basis.
And you agreed with everything I've said so far, and I agreed whites are most likely to burn quicker:
So what made you feel you had to write a book about it?
It sounded like you were trying to play down any role of skin in sun exposure tolerance.
Ok, so far we largely agree.
Now - here is something you have misunderstood from me. I never said whites where sub-human! I said they were a sub-group of humans. As in a group inside a group since all non-africans descended from 2 single Africans.
And my only point here is that Africans contain all genes of all other people, while other people only contain some of the African genes....roughly...I am sure it's more complicated....
BUT
My only point was this fits in pretty well with the Yacub theory is it is seen as a metaphor. All humans are "grafted" from Africans.
I never was implying whites were sub-human. LOL I am white!
See, alot of people on these boards like to shoot down 5% and NOI stuff - to me I guess I just take a different approach. I grew up with it and alot of it inspired me and I just learnt to learn from it anything I can and disregard the rest.
Also, if I undestand you correctly, your point to save whites from sub-humanity was to demonstrate that will can overcome nature?
If this is so then that is exactly how I see it also. If a "white" person wants to stay in the sun (knowledge) bad enough, they can, despite their weaker starting position will themselves to withstand more light than many "blacks."
This reminds me of something I read from an Islamic point of view that humans can be higher than angels because when we ovecome the lower-self, we use it as a step to elevate us up.
Now, whether Elijah Muhammed only ever meant his teachings to be literal, or to also contain a deeper meaning - I don't know. Some things though make me think that under the racism there is some working knowledge. I have take the "black man" simply to be the ungrafted, complete, righteous person. And the "white man" - as the devil, basically the opposite. Regardless of your biological skin color you will be either "white" if devilish, or "black" if Godly.
If there were a deeper meaning then why the racism? I think because the truth is black people literally were (in general in America) opressed and white people were generally devilish (and there is still a long way to go before things are right). The racism was a practical gimmick that attracted the angry people who needed it most and hid the knowlege inside it.
Alot of people, 5%ers and otherwise, will probably disagree with this view. And I am not even claiming it to be right. But being white it makes the teachings of some use to me and that's why I look at them in this way. Right or not - it has been helpful to me and that's right.
LMAO, is Robert Mugabi a God!?
So, white skinned people burn easier in the sun? OK that makes sense and black skinned people are less likely to burn as fast? OK , that also makes sense. The sun is knowledge? OK nice metaphore. So thats how your conclusion came about? Umm i think Maybe Trees are God if the point your trying to prove is really true.
I know you weren't implying white are sub-human, but others were.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
That's why a took a stance on the subject and we ended up in this mess over individuality versus equality.
A large portion of the Native American population died after first contact with foregien(european) diseases.
Can we conclude that Native Americans are a sub-human species, because they didn't have the immune system to fight these diseases?
Of coarse not, but people will analyze the data however they want.
All people grafted from Africans? I don't know about that, but if that's the case all people are grafted from monkeys.
Fuck that Theory, that's all i'm gonna say about that.
They are not sub-human. But they are a sub-genetic pool.
It is true that all people come from two Africans. The book I mentioned earlier Out of Eden is really good.
And why would we be grafted from monkeys? We didn't come from monkeys, nor are we even direct descendants of neanderthrals, or homo erectis etc....we just had alot in common with them. I think science owes alot of apologies for some things they have implied and still leave implied
Also, the difference would be in that we all descended from only TWO africans...that is why we are a sub-group. Had it been that all African lines that left Africa had survived in us then we wouldn't be "grafted" (a sub-genetic pool) we would simply be africans who had changed to look different.
As for there being a different meaning underlying the racism in the teachings, just last night I was reading the greatest story ever told and realised it was like the biblical exodus...it can be read on two levels. They took all the Africans on the good ship "Jesus" 9000 miles away from their home. Is the good ship Jesus a real ship? Coz to me it sounded like they were taken away from their "home" by Christianity...and 9000 could to me mean that they have to go through 9 levels of 1 to 9 (to be reborn) and the three 0s represent the 3 levels of understanding that they say in the 120 to get you 360 degrees of knowledge (knowledge, wisdom, understanding on each level 1 through to 9 = 3 * 9 = 27 = 2+7= 9 = BORN).
See, is this an accident? There is definitely a meaning beyond the literal words. The 5% and supreme alphabet and mathematics and rearranging words etc...I have realised is basically an english Kabbalah for black people.
And Make Sensi do you even read a thing I say? LOL