In the long run the US is bent on world domination. If you're not in our pocket you will be rolled up on in one form or another. And really, its not conspiracy, its policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
In the long run the US is bent on world domination. If you're not in our pocket you will be rolled up on in one form or another. And really, its not conspiracy, its policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Jesus, style is bitter to a degree i never thought possible.
:? lol, where did that come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Just reading his pathetic posts throughout this thread.
The US is bent on world domination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
That is an extremist statement.
Yes, there is SOME truth to it, but it is an oversimplification.
Every country in the world creates a foreign policy designed to benefit itself. To do otherwise would be stupid.
If countries are a business, which they essentially are, the United States is the most successful, and therefore the most hated.
Look at European nations. They literally tried to take over at the world with force during their respective peaks of powers. The United States uses effective policy. In fact, all countries of influence are trying to manipulate and use other countries for their own benefit. Look at China and Russia. Yet you single out the US?
However, times are changing, and the United States is no longer going to dominate world proceedings as it once did. It is a pattern that happens frequently. Now we are in the process of either adjusting or failing, but essentially, it is us, the people of the United States, who decide its policies, not the government or some kind of secret organization.
The United States is no more or less evil than any other nation, but we are hated by other countries because we succeeded at what we did.
Edit: I am not denying that there are problems with the United States OR claiming that we are a noble and righteous nation. But look at the history of the world. This is isn't something that started with the US, and it is going to be short-lived.
He just wants to be loved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Underneath his sparkly, flamboyant exterior, there is a confused little outcast who just wants to be accepted.
But you can't let your guard down on the mean streets that is wu-corp.
Not for 1 second...
Damn this concrete e-jungle, where status is everything and weakness is preyed upon.
i read these accusations about sunny and smile because i know that you couldn't find a post of his to back them up.
The beef i had with sunny was the circular questions.but now i understand the technique.
Its rare for sunny to make flat out statements presented as fact.
That's what the threadstarter does. Sunny asks questions. Questions that make you and cool dan feel insulted.
Twisting truths baseless accusations far out mentality... all in your head.
Disillusions of sense.
How many countries in the past 50 years have had a massive uprising within their own borders that was intially perpetuated by CIA involvement? How many military operations by allies or potential allies have had our backing? Start checking those countries off on a global scale and you'll see that in economic terms we have already captured almost the entire world save for Russia and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
That didn't happened by accident and the actions are an inherent trait of US foreign policy since its inception as a country. It was gave you manifest destiny, etc They called South America the banana republics for a reason, on and on. I don't even make a judgement whether this is good or bad for the world I'd just like to see some acknowledgement that its actually taking place. The average citizen is completely in the dark about US involvement on a global scale.
Pat you gonna give me that pussy or what?
The last 50 years is nothing. THe United States has been the superpower for the last 50 years.
When Greece was a Superpower, what did they do? Rome, France, England, Spain, USSR, Germany.....
When we left countries to their own devices, there were a couple of world wars. We were thrust into the position that we are in now.
Are we handling perfectly? Obviously not.
I just don't understand how you can possibly assert that the United States government is any more corrupt than that of any other country that has ever had any kind of power at the global level.
Look at what the KGB did.
Look at what governments have done to dissenters in its own population since the beginning of civilizations.
The United States is already changing, and it is proving that our current policy will not be sustainable.
If you have problems with the United States, that is fine, and Im sure many complaints are valid, but this is nothing new throughout the course of history.
I didn't say corrupt did I? I'm merely stating that the role we have played in the world since post WWII is in the dark to the general population and it shouldn't be. The last 50-60 have been endgame moves. We've been preparing for it since our birth as a nation. I just think America should be honest with itself in its text books and such. Roll it out vs the subversive shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
The real question though, is now that we got all this power what are we going to do with it? The reason all the empires of the past crumbled was because ultimately they did not have a suitable answer to that question.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
The bottom line is that we are not going to have the same power in the near future. I, personally, don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. I don't think the US is evil or against the rest of the world, but at the same time, not everyone thinks like we do, and they still deserve to be heard.
We have been forced into a position where we have to show REAL diplomacy. That doesn't mean we won't still have significant power, but the old way of doing things is not going to be effective in the future.
I do not have all of the answers, but changes have to be made, and if made properly, the United States can help to be a leader in ushering in a "new world order" of sorts, where countries have to work together for common interests.
Of course, most of wu-corp thinks that that is evil as well...
The problem with america is that we are a symbol of truth feedom equality and justice and present ourselves as such . But our actions have not rflected those qualities.
Dan you once said that you respected those who were at least open and honest about predjudice
i really don't understand your "they did it too" argument. Very childish level of understanding.
"its not perfect
"works whe n millions of lives aren't lost due to "imperfect policy"
Look at Iraq. Regardless of your feelings about sadam there was no Justifiable reason to go to war.
And finally ... What was the last policy you created?
That statement about citizens not the gov making policy ... Smh and you say sunny is removed from reality.
Ironic you should use the phrase "childish level of understanding" as you manipulate my words.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
I never justified America's questionable acts. "They did it too" is a response to those who single out America and act as if it is what happens today is Uniquely American. It is part of a cycle of human nature.
What are my prejudices, Gavin?
When did I justify going to Iraq, Gavin?
I have constantly said that America is flawed. But keep in perspective with the rest of the world.
As far as policy, no Gavin, individuals, by themselves, obviously do not enact policy. But if united, they clearly have the power to do so. I think you know exactly what I meant, but were just being a douche.
Look at civil rights. America's foreign policy is changing as we speak, because the people realized what wasn't working and elected a new leader.
Again, you twist my words simply because of your feelings for me. It is difficult to converse with you, Gavin, because like a woman, you're are in it for emotions, not knowledge.
Visions and I can disagree while being civil, because we are men having an honest conversation.
Be a man for once, Gavin.