If you dont like/hate on Jay Z your the worst kind

blueprint 3 was a cool album, but dont judge the niggas career off of that release!!!!!

saying jay-z's peak was a guest verse on big l's album shows how unfamiliar the nigga is with jays material!!!!!

he was real raw there, he has countless verses that hit harder with more polish!!!!!!

in fact id say jays skillset probably peaked on the black album, thats one of the best mic performances of his career!!!!

ask anyone that considers themself a lyricist what they think of that album, the pure technical aspect of it makes niggas wanna step their game up!!!!!! no flow was the same and his cadence and delivery were maxed out!!!!!! almost every line on that album was a quotable, straight up!!!!!!

and while i liked blueprint 3, jay wasnt going all the way in on that project like he could, american gangster verified sean carter is still a threat to spazz on a record!!!!! his verses on there were loaded with crazy multis and metaphors and delivered with slick presentation!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Are you shitting me? Jay probably has 50 more verses that shit on that; a few off the top of the head: can't knock the hustle, d'evils, dead presidents II, never change, song cry, renegade (don't be fooled cause em outshined him), heart of the city, 99 problems, moment of clarity, PSA, pray, success, ignorant shit...... the list goes on.

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I hated jay-z on renegade, verse was kinda hot but the delivery was weak as fuck, it ruined the whole song for me; like I have with most jay


Angry you're right, I"ve probally listened to Livestylez more in the last few months then Reasonable doubt in my life

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Originally Posted by Afficial_Nastee

I never liked Jay-Z because of his voice mainly and because of his pop/rnb appeal....

Besides that , dude just was good at imitating the style that was in at the time , in '96 when all that maffioso rap was in he came through with that stuff, acting all Scarface hustler and all that....
When the Bad Boy hype really broke through he made an album that just sounded like it , with some catchy rnb hooks and all that....

The Blueprint could be aight (mainly because of Slim Shady's appearance, the only really good thing about the album in my opinion) , but I didn't dig it cuz it's too soft in my opinion....

The Black album was wack because he worked together with a faggotass band like Linkin Park.... If you choose to walk the rock path, at least choose a fucking Metal band or something like that , not some soft rock band....

Most people think his flow is awesome , but I don't have a fucking clue wtf they're talking about.... His voice and delivery are irritating and his flow is mediocre....

And since the threadstarter asked my favourite rappers I'll name a few :

DMX
Slim Shady
Brotha Lynch Hung
Billy Danze
Kool G Rap
RA The Rugged Man
Sticky Fingaz
Big Pun
Biggie
Freddie Foxxx

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blueprint is geniune street music son, it had radio on smash but that was far from a pop record!!!!

and i can tell by your analysis youre not at all familiar with his catalogue!!!!!! eminem would call you out on your hate dog, the nigga is nice!!!!

reasonable doubt
the blueprint
the black album

3 albums i cant see any self respecting hip hop fan not enjoying unless theyve developed some type of complex or bias against jay personally!!!!!!!

some of these almighty hip hop heads shit on jay like hes some pop nigga with no skills when in reality hes been certified by just about every legend in hip hop!!!!!!!! even in that "run this town" joint that niggas find poppy, jays showing love to rakim... how is that not a good look for hip hop!?!?!?!?! be happy a nigga like jay that can actually spit and remembers what hip hop was is still moving units and crackin mainstream radar, its good for the culture!!!!!!!

hes a great by any definition...

large body of work
classic albums
classic guest spots
longevity
consistency
classic tours

learn to appreciate staying power, jay always did numbers but he hasnt always been the biggest draw, he stuck around to become that!!!!!

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Originally Posted by angry!

be happy a nigga like jay that can actually spit and remembers what hip hop was is still moving units and crackin mainstream radar, its good for the culture!!!!!!!

hes a great by any definition...

large body of work
classic albums
classic guest spots
longevity
consistency
classic tours

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The Hip-Hop I know def wasn't about making corny wannabe rock songs together with a lame band such as linkin park....
It sure wasn't about showing up in pop or rnb videos....

And as far as your list goes I will say :
large body of work : true
classic albums : maybe one , RD
classic guest spots : true
longevity : true
consistency : true
classic tours : true

But what about Hardcore appeal? About having a die hard fanbase? Most of his fans are mainstream listeners anyway....

Black Album was classic as well

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Originally Posted by Afficial_Nastee

But what about Hardcore appeal? About having a die hard fanbase? Most of his fans are mainstream listeners anyway....

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I'm not gonna speak on something I don't know, but I'm pretty sure if you go to hoods of New York or wherever, people are gonna have respect for Jay-Z. Like I said, he appeals to both the mainstream AND underground, much like a lot of your favourite rappers such as Biggie, DMX, Eminem etc.

For the record, you can't say "most of his listeners are mainstream" because that's what mainstream means rofl, the public majority.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

I'm not gonna speak on something I don't know, but I'm pretty sure if you go to hoods of New York or wherever, people are gonna have respect for Jay-Z. Like I said, he appeals to both the mainstream AND underground, much like a lot of your favourite rappers such as Biggie, DMX, Eminem etc.

For the record, you can't say "most of his listeners are mainstream" because that's what mainstream means rofl, the public majority.

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I don't see them hip-hop heads bumping Jay-Z tracks that have been released after Reasonable Doubt....

And with mainstream I ment nowadays teenagers and people who just listen to music occassionally without any real passion....

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Originally Posted by Afficial_Nastee

The Hip-Hop I know def wasn't about making corny wannabe rock songs together with a lame band such as linkin park....
It sure wasn't about showing up in pop or rnb videos....

And as far as your list goes I will say :
large body of work : true
classic albums : maybe one , RD
classic guest spots : true
longevity : true
consistency : true
classic tours : true

But what about Hardcore appeal? About having a die hard fanbase? Most of his fans are mainstream listeners anyway....

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linkin park was a remix project, he gets a pass, primo blessed limp bizkit with a track, what about it!?!?!? he didnt embarass himself, the move worked, move on!!!!

where im from
nigga what nigga who
so ghetto
never change
d'evils
heart of the city
a million and one questions

^^^ go listen to these tracks and tell me jay lacks street appeal... raekwon was out telling niggas to buy jays album when they dropped albums on the same day, real recognize real!!!!!! you should listen to jays catalogue for real next time, he has a ton of street appeal because he makes reference to shit only a street nigga would catch!!!!!!!

hes nice homie, its not gonna kill you to admit it!!!!!

reasonable doubt
blueprint
the black album

all 3 albums dropped and had hip hops undivided attention, hip hop albums to the core with mass appeal!!!!! i remember where i was and what i was doin when i peep a classic, those 3 albums were not only flames... they had crazy impact on the genre itself!!!!! releases like that inspire the game to elevate!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by angry!

linkin park was a remix project, he gets a pass, primo blessed limp bizkit with a track, what about it!?!?!? he didnt embarass himself, the move worked, move on!!!!

raekwon was out telling niggas to buy jays album when they dropped albums on the same day, real recognize real!!!!!!

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Limp Bizkit ain't corny , they're a pretty good band....

Raekwon's album dropped summer '95 and Jay-Z's debut in summer of '96 so ....

^ he's talkin CL2 and BP3.

I can level with a lot of angry's posts, it ain't like I got it out for jay or whatever, my only beef is when ppl start fuckin up, callin him the king of hip-hop and shit, that just shows total ignorance to me or a need to go along with the popular opinion.

like I said, I don't think hip-hop has or needs a king, but if I had to pick one, it definitely wouldn't be jay. I'd pick a Rakim or G rap before him, and countless others that influenced the game at it's peak, not somebody who influenced corny muhfuckers like drake.

dude ain't the blood that's runnin thru hip-hop's veins.

jayz done fell offff......i mean he aint bad, songs like 'empire state of mind' and shit, but you gotta admit hes so far from that 'reasonable doubt/blueprint jayz'. look at bp3, mostly poppy soundin music with him ridin with kanye,drake,all these cornball ass niggas, and pop singers like rihanna. its good for a soft listen but this aint real ny music, theres guys like g rap and M.O.P. who still rep ny hard.

jay-z just makin the cash these days with mediocre rap. sad wat became of him, bp3 is so far off from reasonable doubt, but as long as he gets the money why does he need to care about what his fans think? jay-z's halfed ass shit still sold more than ob4cl2, which was one of the realest shit this year. shows why he keeps makin halfassed music, if it sells why change?

that said, ill rather listen to a shitload of other ny rappers than jayz at this time and age, his old material is good enough to call him a "legend" and a veteran in the game, but his new shit can go lick a pussy.

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Originally Posted by ALCATRAZ

100% warcloud > jay

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thread should've ended here
jay isn't the god mc

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Originally Posted by THE FRANCHISE™

name some MC's that came out in the past decade that are better than Jay

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Em and Game. just my opinion though.






i don't hate jay-z, i personally think he's very talented, lyrics-wise and especially flow-wise. what i don't like is his need to follow every hot trend @ the time.


i'd respect him even more if he ended his career after Black Album, which was brilliantly produced.

pac is the god emcee warcloud is also a god emcee but pac is THE god emcee

"*aint no nigga* like me, fuck jay z!, nigga you broke and i smoke DAYLEH" - makaveli da don

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