The propaganda from Ukraine is hilarious too, people actually believe the "Ghost of Kyiv" plotline
Look I didn't want to take it there because it seemed a bit below the belt to pick on the banana republicQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
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The propaganda from Ukraine is hilarious too, people actually believe the "Ghost of Kyiv" plotline
Look I didn't want to take it there because it seemed a bit below the belt to pick on the banana republicQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
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Originally Posted by The Hound
What makes you and Australia so special?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
I do lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackula Spectacula
Only a 24 hour drive to Kyiv from my place. And things were already getting closers with the assassinations here in Europe (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-exile-killing).Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
The State of the Union address was ok. Biden pledged $1 Billion in aid but no boots on the ground. Here's my issue with providing financial aid to a county that's surrounding by an enemy: Ukraine can't use the funds to purchase weapons, food, etc.
That $1 Billion could've been used to assist the American people (i.e. stimulus checks).
You're selfish Ironman. Give up the goods.
Death to Amerika. Only NATO is to blame for all of this. And anybody that disagrees hasn't been paying attention.
The ban on everything Russian is a bit extensive. Car companies not delivering cars, Nike banning sales in Russia. The Russian conductor of the Munich orchestra dismissed from duty. There's reports of some restaurants in Europe banning Russians. Even Onlyfans banned payments to Russian accounts lol.
On the ground the plans captured on Russian soldiers reveal they planned a 15 day war to take the whole of Ukraine. If Russia just entered the Donbass the world wouldn't have reacted in such a way. The audacity to try and take the whole of Ukraine is next level, no doubt Moldova is next after Ukraine. Putin wants a slavic wall with Belarus, Ukraine & Moldova.
On the Ukrainian side of things, with ppl trying to escape the country Africans and Indians are taken off trains leaving for Poland to make place for white ppl.
so how's your dad these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by communist cunt
with Transnistria (breakaway "independent' part of Moldova that borders on Ukraine) Russia has the perfect excuse to invade Moldova in the nearish future. money wise there isn't much, if anything at all, to be had in Moldova but it could indeed become more of a buffer state than it is now. as I think now Moldova doesn't seem to want NATO membership, not that I'm aware of at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
there's a pro Europe president residing in Moldova right now, she defeated the local pro Russian Igor boy in the 2020 elections. the PM, also a woman btw, pleaded for EU membership after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. they scurred right now
( https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49727.htm )
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldov...nion_relations )
I guess Moldova's strategic importance is partly related to the US' Aegis rocket shield stationed in Rumania, neighboring country of Moldova, although I wouldn't make too much of this strategic importance. Moldova is also land locked so that devaluates it in geopolitical terms. if the Russians take Ukraine, they already have access to a large part of the Black Sea coast anyway
( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36272686 )
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in terms of easy military victories - the quick wins that bolster his deteriorating popularity with the Russians - Putin would have probably been better off invading Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, but these are of less strategic importance in terms of Russia versus NATO, and also I just don't think Putin is that interested in the culturally different 'Asian' countries that used to be part of the USSR.
anyway, with him lending a hand in crushing the revolution in Kazakhstan earlier this year, Putin already has the Kazakhstan government in his pocket anyway. clear sign, not just Belarus but also Kazakhstan proposed to be a mediator for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w960-q8...-290167274.jpg
damn there's a shitload of countries in that region lol
communist cunt is gonna cream himself when he sees that map
I think that's going to be the future of warfare in general. I've always felt that 'conventional war' is outdated now because there's a million new ways to put pressure on an enemy that doesn't require something as politically expensive as actually fighting. I saw people 'feeling bad for russians' because onlyfans was blocked lol, that was part of the reason I was saying that how the news is moving through the US is annoying. If it's not 'Zelensky is cool' propaganda it's 'here's the relatable tidbits' bs and relatable = this is inconveniencing ppls internet addiction. So if a lot of Americans are 'meh' about it, it's because how deeply stupid the left (who controls information flow) in this country is about making the picture clear on anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
Putin was pretty sure there would be a coalition push-back and now that he's see that it's not even on the table for NATO he's going to go over his previous goal. I didn't think he'll take the whole of Ukraine but he's probably going to now and will use the parts he 'doesn't need' as a bargaining chip. At the same time, he's not going to come thro wif da nuclear heat because he's not that insane, so a lot of his posturing is just using nukes to pretend the Russian military isn't an outdated incompetent farce that has to be belligerent to be respected.
Yeah he's going for all of Ukraine.
It'll be hard to install a puppet government and get it to function properly if civilians keep up the guerilla warfare spirit so Putin might be looking at prolonged military occupation of Ukraine when his invasion succeeds. that would take up a lot of Russian troops I guess. a puppet government in charge of the Ukrainian police force would be a less costly option for Putin but I don't see it happening now
well it's early days still I guess
lol @ Putin's boys not being able to get their 50 mile war convoy to move along at scooter speed
This is what they want. Endless proxy war. Make bombs sell them make money. Wasn’t our secretary of defense on the board at Raytheon? Big payoff for him when he’s back in the private sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
uS troops fighting Russians for Ukrainians is political suicide. And very stupid and dangerous for the world. No US prez would do it for this.
All he did in this was show that the image he was trying to project of 'the new russia' militarily is a farce. The US actually helps him project this image because it justifies global policing but that's another story. But I think he will try to take all of Ukraine, then 'let go' of the western end that he didn't originally have designs on if he has to negotiate a peace and the 'concession' will be he gets to install puppets in the regions in the east he has his eyes on. Everything beyond what he did the first say is to pad up his hand, he already 'has' what he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
But what may actually happen is what always messes Russia up in conflict which is supply chain issues, money and general incompetence. The US and co. know he can't sustain a long term conflict, and without money he will fold in less than a year. China can't bail him out either because China has a lot of shit it wants from Russia and it will use the desperation for leverage + Russia knows this. Blocking him off economically will (if sustained for half a year) lead to serious supply chain problems.
He has enough reserves to last 1 year minus a full blown war. With war, I'd cut that in half. If he can get the whole of Ukraine within 2-3 months he wins, if it reaches 6, he'll retreat empty handed.
The importance of the Stans in central asia is mainly natural resources. There's a shitload there and the countries are relatively easy to control due to being full blown dictatorships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
One thing to note with Russia is population. When the Soviet Union collapsed Russia's population was 150m people. Today it's around 140m, so it's stagnated but something to note is that the percentage of muslims within the country has increased. Now somewhere between 25-30% of Russia is Muslim and this is going to increase as years go by. This eventually is bound to become an issue, 20-30 years from now Muslims from all these different ethnicities at this rate will make up half the Russian population. If your peddling a Tsarist Russia narrative it won't work if a bulk of your population isn't even Russian.
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Originally Posted by Dooch
I hate these proxy wars now either fight properly or shut up. Also the US fighting for Ukrainians isn’t political suicide because the west for decades has been ranting and raving about these bogie regimes but yet when the opportunity arises to confront them directly they chicken out? These evil regimes need to be dealt with sooner or later, otherwise they become more intrenched and there will be even bigger problems to deal with in the future or you will keep getting more Ukraine’s or Taiwan’s? Sanctions don’t work and hoping the people rise up and overthrow the government is lame IMO?
If Ukraine was being invaded by black, brown, or yellow people, the West would literally drop nuclear bombs to stop themQuote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
The US is not in a position to go to war with Russia. No one's dying for a Ukraine, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
The natural resources in central Asia are vast. Isn't this also where the Soviets got there resources for going nuclear? China is pretty happy with still having Tibet I believe, due to that country being full of resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
Are you sure the Muslims are going to increase? Because going by the news, it seems there has been nothing but prosecution of Muslims in Russia. After the invasion of the Ukraine, people where immediately talking about the prosecution of minorities by the Russians. It also reminded me of the Chechens, which are primarily Muslim and have been at war since the 90's.
In all fairness, I think Europe & the EU have been looking a lot more towards themselves, and way less overseas. Ever since Trump got elected. That is not to say that Europe did not have their own internal struggles and polarizations. Right wing parties have been coming up all over the continent. Germany, Sweden, UK, French, Poland, Hungary, Netherlands. And the narrative has becoming more and more disrespectful. The EU was slowly falling apart, and after Brexit their have been small movements within various countries to leave the EU or the Euro. (Within the Netherlands there were groups calling for a Nexit, and going back to the Gulden. Mind you, most of the people calling for this often go on holiday in EU countries and are mid to low income. They would be hit hardest.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
Besides this there is of course NATO. But also in this party, Trump heavily damaged the trust towards the US. Europe will not that easily be leaning on the US anymore.
And what Hal said, you would feel the difference immediately. Just look at how the opposition is taken care of in Russia, or how Belarus diverted a commercial flight from Greece to Lithuania on a fake bomb threat. Just so that they could arrest journalist Roman Protasevich, a vocal critic of Lukashenko. We have been seeing the other side of the curtain on a regular basis.
Go fight for Ukraine boy. Save the world. They need you.Quote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
Uncle Sam is always ready and willing to fight Commie Nazi’s lol. I wish George W and Cheney were still in power?Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
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Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
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No. You don’t need your government to tell you to fight. They want volunteers. Go.Quote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
The Russians have begun taking cities in the south, I guess plan A is to block Ukraine's access to the black sea entirely. Though movement in the north is slow, in the South Russia is making progress. I think the Russians expected the same thing that happened in the Crimea to happen, where the Ukrainian army pretty much switched sides. A chunk of Ukraine's naval force joined Russia during that time for example. Moscow didn't expect the Ukrainians to unite like this and it's the reason why the war hasn't gone as initially planned.
Central Asia has vast amounts of oil, gas and minerals. Kazakhstan was Russia's primary nuclear testing ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Set
As for the muslims in Russia, it ain't just Chechens. Historically the Chechens and other muslims in the Caucuses have rebelled against Moscow. Those from Dagestan, Karachay-Chekessia and many others, these are all different ethnicities. Tartarstan is one of the wealthiest republics in Russia and it's predominantly Muslim, made up by Tartars but is a key part of Russia instead of being rebellious like Chechnya. So while some Muslims in Russia get persecuted others don't. It's the Muslims in the Caucuses whose population is rising because they are much more devout and having plenty children. Kazakhs, Uzbeks and a majority of Tartars aren't that devout.
EU should say no to EU membership for Ukraine and Georgia instead of making promises now that will (a) take years to ratify into actual membership treaties (15 plus years normally) and (b) give these possible member states (vain?) hope so early on in the process
the vetting process is there for a reason : environmental, financial, anticorruption and human rights standards need to be met in order to fit in with at least the base line of the EU
the EU and its member states should definitely continue to supply arms to Ukraine but it's not really helpful that each individual member state is now listing its grocery story list of army supplies lol. there's an overabundance of statements against Russia. I'm pretty sure Putin got the message, he's gonna do him regardless but at least he knows we're not gonna lie down and take an ass fucking
in other words, any kind of support should be supplied except for membership cards (NATO/EU). other individual (trade / protective) treaties can be negotiated with both Ukraine and Georgia now or preferably when the smoke clears
there's no need to escalate further. just deliver a steady supply of arms to Ukraine, take care of the refugees and keep on blocking Russia economically to the fullest
when the war is over, whether won or lost, EU will need the remaining buffer states in their current geopolitical function
btw there is also the question of what will happen with all the army supplies that are being sent to Ukraine, after the war is over, regardless of the outcome. there's no predicting the future here but obviously whenever large amounts of weapons are sent into disputed territories that comes with its own problems after the conflict is over. guess we'll deal with that whenever the time is right
The problem is when you think past any conceivable future scenarios that might be okay for a short period, theres just more problems to deal with, and they don't diminish the potential for a full scale war someway down the line either.
The sanctions have the potential to backfire as well, once the Kremlin is economically weak and imposing martial law on its own citizens. They'd be dug in at that point.
You don't understand. Hanzo, Hal, Jet Set said it. Ukraine isn't a NATO member. They're isolated and vulnerable. Russia is one of the world's largest Petro states (countries that have vast amounts of Oil and Gas). Also, Crimea has a water shortage, a shortage caused by Ukraine. Russia wants the water flowing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
Ukraine has a lot of oil and gas deposits on the western and eastern parts of the country. Also, Ukraine's gulf contains large amounts of oil and gas. Shell and BP cancelled drilling contracts for some reason. So, Ukraine doesn't have the technology, manpower, nor the intelligence to extract the oil they have in their shale deposits. That's a lot of money to leave on the table!
The USA won't get in Putin's way when it comes to oil nor will the world.
I understand what you’re saying Ironman but sometimes there are more important things than money or business. This is about democracy and human decency, countries like Russia, North Korea, China ect…….Shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this bad behaviour or go around holding the world hostage. Yes Ukraine isn’t a NATO member but this isn’t about that, it’s about putting Putin and the rest of his Commie mates in check so they will think twice before doing whatever they like?Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
I seriously doubt China or North Korea care too much about Putin. China has its own agenda, and they're way more ambitious than PutinQuote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
Who's buying Russian oil and gas after this? Shit holes like India, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Africa lol Even the German pussies have been backed in to a corner over Nord Stream 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
Even the Russian puppet Trumpov is giving up the goose a week after calling Putin a genius lol
Former President Donald Trump described Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as a “holocaust” and urged an end to the fighting there, in an abrupt shift from his recent praise for Russia’s president.
In an interview Wednesday with Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo, Trump said Russia has to “to stop killing these people” and suggested that a deal could be struck with Russia to stop the fighting.
“We’re watching a holocaust. We’re watching something that I’ve never seen before, the way that they’re going to go in — they’re blowing up buildings with children, with women, with professionals, with people — think of just people,” Trump said.
“They’re blowing up indiscriminately, they’re just shooting massive missiles and rockets into these buildings and everybody is dying.”
“But they don’t respect the United States and the United States is like, I don’t know, they’re not doing anything about it. This is a — this is a holocaust. This is a horrible thing that’s happening. You’re witnessing and you’re seeing it on television every night.”
Trump’s comments represent a huge shift, exactly one week since he praised Putin as a “genius” and “very savvy” on February 23.
At that point, Putin had recognised two separatist regions of Ukraine as independent states, as a pretext for overtly deploying Russian troops into Ukraine.
On the following day, February 24, the limited incursion escalated into an all-out war as Russian forces pushed into Ukraine from multiple directions and bombed major cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv.
Even in his Wednesday exchange with Bartiromo, Trump did not criticize Putin personally.
Trump had criticized the invasion already, condemning it at a recent speech at the CPAC conservative conference. In a series of public statements Trump has blamed the Biden administration for the crisis.
Trump claimed that he could have prevented the war if he were still in office, though has given no specifics on how. Ukrainian and Russian delegations began ceasefire talks in Belarus this week, but no agreements were reached.
Trump’s relations with Russia and Ukraine were a source of enduring controversy during his presidency.
Russia launched a widespread campaign to help secure Trump’s election in 2016, according to US intelligence agencies and multiple independent reports.
Amid unsubstantiated rumors Trump had been entrapped by Russian intelligence, Robert Mueller, a special counsel appointed by the Justice Department, in a 2019 report did not find evidence that Trump’s campaign had deliberately conspired with Russia.
Later that year Trump was impeached for the first time for pressuring Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to produce dirt on Joe Biden, and cancelling military aid to Ukraine to force Zelensky’s hand. He was acquitted after a Senate trial.
Zelensky has been widely praised for his courage and leadership during Russia’s attack, and in Wednesday’s interview Trump said he had been “very impressed by him” and defended the phone call with Zelensky that resulted in the impeachment.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...22-3?r=US&IR=T
rumors that are circulating :
* the Polish government is considering handing out weapons to Polish people who are willing to go and fight in Ukraine (Ukraine has an official foreign legion)
* there are fears that Putin will install martial law in Russia
second rumor seems like a stretch right now. he can still further tighten security, censorship etc. under the 'danger of foreign parties at work in Russia' act (IDK its official name). martial law would help him enlist anybody he wants in the army and he would not be obliged to honor any treaties he signed with foreign nations. not that he is honoring those right now anyway lol
new Russian disinformation act (confirmed, not a rumor) : 15 years in jail for disinformation
yep censorship is definitely growing even more gargantuan
The same Covid nazi’s who supported mandates and lockdown now want to whine about Putin doing the same thing.
Hal you need some vitamin D bro.
thanks for your concern bro
You’ll be ok. I’m sure your Russian will be just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
lolol