Some People Think There Are Things God Can Not Do Just Cuz Humans Can Not Do Them But The Only Thing God Can Not Do Is Lie Only The Truth Comes From Him
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Some People Think There Are Things God Can Not Do Just Cuz Humans Can Not Do Them But The Only Thing God Can Not Do Is Lie Only The Truth Comes From Him
FROM WHAT I HEARD THE LORD WUZ DOING THIS TO TEST HIS FAITH
That Is True
there is no God
DO U BELIEVE IN GOD?---------I believe in a creator that goes by many names-
WHO IS GOD?--------------GOD, Creator, Allah, Tunkasila, Wanka Tanka
IS IT A PERSON OR THING?-----I don't know, not a person.
IF IT IS A PERSON THEN IS THAT PERSON A HE OR SHE?------I don't know I think a he, but women creates life --maybe god is two enities?
IF IT IS A THING THEN WHAT IS IT?---Good Question
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOD OR MANY?---another good question, I think there is one creator
WHY IS GOD CALLED YAHWEH IN SOME TEXT BUT ALLAH IN
OTHERS?----------Yahweh is Jesus.
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON GOD?------God is a mystery
DO U FEAR GOD?--------no
DO U LOVE OR HATE GOD?--------love
DO U RESPECT GOD?----------yes
DO U SEEK GOD OR DO U SEEK SOMETHING ELSE?--------I seek my culture.
DO U FEEL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD OR
BY THE WORD OF MAN?----------The word of god, not to be confused by the word of man- like what is written in the holy books. Search your own humanity- to not make others suffer, like you wouldn't want to suffer, this is how I live.
according to this scripture did satan lie ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...DBIRD/LIES.jpg
who was god talking to ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...BIRD/LIES2.jpg
btw - yahweh is not jesus
I have complete faith in the Grand Creator, we can agree to disagree on this point but there is multiple instances where the Quran credits God as the creator of everythingQuote:
this god you experienced is very real but is not the creator of everything that exist
I believe that everything has come from a single source. The God that is within you, which I'm guessing what some refer to as the true and living God, is a reflection and remnant of that single source.Quote:
again this god is very real but is not a spook or the creator of everything that exist
I view the Quran as clarifying the bible. I think that the Bible has been translated too many times from it's original source , unfortunately, to contain all of it's true meaning. I definetly don't take everyting in the Bible literal. I do accept things in a more literal sense when reading the Quran. The Quran does use We but I have always looked at this as meaning God and his messengers when I read it. The Quran does use He and does credit God for being the Grand Creator.Quote:
the quaran confirms whats written in the bible
in the bible there is a story of a talking snake who made adam disobey god
do you also believe in this talking snake ?
yes i've read both books a couple of times
thouroughly
and in both this god is talked about as a WE and not a HE
also the word God is a plural word translated to greek from the hebrew word Elohim which is the plural form of EL who is the supreme out of the 24
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you think my reason for doubt is.........(all the lies and deceptions that man has used in God's name)
what is it that i doubt ?(That there is the One Creator)
Here is one example in which the Quran is breaking down the nature of man and the means by which he decieves: Surah 3, verse 7, He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; In it are veses basic or fundamental( or established meaning) They are the foundation of the Book: others are not of well-established meaning. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part therof that is not of well-established meaning. Seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings.....)I think this is an absolute truth in regards to human nature. One with real wisdom will seek what unites while those of a devious nature choose a path of discord.Quote:
there are absolute truths stated within the quaran about what ?
I can see why this would appear nonsensical because I wasn't completely clear in what I was referring to, which was human conscieness. No matter how much scientist understand physiologically what happens when you are thinking, dendrytes and all, they still have no idea scientifically to the best of my knowledge, where the power to control our brains comes from. To me the reason that' they can't is because it is your soul which controls your brain and has next to no physicallity within our own bodies and therefore will never be "discovered" by science. To me the proof of the soul is proof of God.Quote:
sounds nice sounds smart
btw i don't do science nor do i rely on it for answers
the words "it is what can't be proven or explained that proves god exist"
doesnt make any sense
it sounds nice sounds smart but it doesn't make any sense
your basically saying that if i can't prove it, this means someone or something greater than me exist
this someone or something may be greater
doesn't mean that this something is the creator of everything that ever existed
and it shure does not prove that it exist
I was actually referring to Malcolm X when I originally mentioned this but musicians work as well in this scenario. Bob Marley is a good example. I'm definetly not a Rasta but a lot of his music contained universal truths.Quote:
i can appreciate and even respect a good musicians art even if he is straight up wrong
I would say that God is needed for guidance and wisdom. My knowledge and understanding of life, personally, wouldn't be possible without Gods' good graces. You have the will to embrace or deny these things but anyone who grasp the fundamentals of what is written in the bible and the quran will be better off for it. The words are there so that we may know God's will, to deny that will is to only do damage to ourselves. It is not God who suffers.Quote:
if the above is true, then why would i need God
what purpose would he/she/it serve since i do have free will to do whatever i want ?
I said that last part because you said you had faith in nothing and I would say that you should at least believe in yourself if nothing else. Self-determination can carry a person a long way.Quote:
i can put my hand on my balls and feel the reality, whats the point ?
to have faith in something that does not exist ?
and even if it does exist what can it do for me right now ?
what is it doing for those who pray to it right now ?
No doubt homie, I see forums such as these as a chance to have some real dialogue. We may not always agree but that doesn't mean we can't keep the conversations going on some real knowledge and understanding. Let's keep it moving, nice buildin with ya. peaceQuote:
you can be linked to the true and living god though
and judging by your words you may almost be there
stay building
bullets are just as natural as shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
what are u defining s "natural"
all that natural means is "of or birthed out of nature"
bullets fit that definition just as comfortably as shit
humans are natural "creations" we are birthed out of the earth, thus everything we do and can possibly conceive of is natural... u cant escape nature.
why do religionists insist on using teh word "faith" when a more reasonable and rational word ..(such as teh word "confidence") can always be used when referring to ones self?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
i dont have faith in myself.. i merely have confidence in myself based on objective evidence (that evidence being my tried and true personal track record of handling situations that come my way)...thats not faith... its called confidence.....
religionists always like to sneakily try to slip "faith" in the mix
Some christians refer to Jesus as Yahweh. Yahweh is just another reference for god- some people think Jesus is god. This transalation I found was explained to me from a Jesuit at one of my old high schools- hence the reason why siad Yahweh is Jesus- that's just my understanding of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/JesusJehovah.htm
^^check the link this guy can explain better then I can
BTW- I don't believe this shit.
faith is a trick
hunches need exploring
faith suggests believing in something that does not necessarily mean its true, we just clinge on that faith for hope...
faith must be broken down, religion torn apart, gaps identified.
we all should try and do that.
but what do i know... i might not really exists like god, im a mere computer replying crap.
faith is a lotto ticket.
its worse than a lotto ticket.
we know from past experience with lotteries and statistical probability that inevitably there will be a "winner" of this "ticket"
faith doesnt even offer that amount of objective certainty.
faith is worthless.
faith instills a belief that is felt by the person but is as unreal as a cloud upon which to ride that faith out.
to those who have no faith. Bill Gates money is worthless to me and why? Cause his money ain't my money.Quote:
faith is worthless.
aliens niggas fuckin aliens
the ananokie earth giants.....u dont believe me ...look it up on the net...the shit will blow ya mind 4reel
Timbs, did you ever think that you could be wrong? I mean do you ever wish you could believe in some kind of religion, at least for peace of mind- or does that conflict with you to much?Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
that's alot of wisdom!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
But, the love of money is the root of all evil
and so is faith...
how faith is the root of all evil just like money?
Because it allows a great opportunity for trick - knowledge to thrive in.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
Faith - 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
After you examine the definition...you can see how it is easy to be tricked if you rely on faith...it's better to know.
you're right. but it probabely depends on us to figure if that faith based on somethin' that is for real or not. and of course we should check who made that faith or belief spreads. i mean we should see if that person is tryin' to obtain something. cuz people who go after money or any sort of power over people. they usually give up so quickly or their claims expose to be nothing more than a lie by the the passing of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqua Luna
DO U BELIEVE IN GOD? yes
WHO IS GOD?
Allah is God.
S IT A PERSON OR THING? GOD
IF IT IS A PERSON THEN IS THAT PERSON A HE OR SHE? no sexual gender
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOD OR MANY? One God
WHY IS GOD CALLED YAHWEH IN SOME TEXT BUT ALLAH IN
OTHERS?
I don’t know about that YAHWEH but Allah is the Arabic word to God.
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON GOD? He controls everything.
DO U FEAR GOD? yep
DO U LOVE OR HATE GOD? Love
DO U RESPECT GOD? yes
DO U SEEK GOD OR DO U SEEK SOMETHING ELSE?
I dunno maybe a little from this and a little from that. I can't keep myself seeking something else coz even if i got everything else. There will be a time when i wonder what else? And i can't keep myself seeking only for god and don't want anything else coz there are a lot of things i find it too hard to live without.
DO U FEEL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD OR WORD OF Man?
so far we saw how the word of man is like. So and for change, the word of God.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE U WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS PLEASE DO SO
I dunno what to add but May Allah guides you and myself to the truth and before it's too late.
Amen
But the people who go after and actually got all the money - Western society (europeans)...been in rule for thousands of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
Think big my sistah, think big...we in a state of mental slavery - like bondage, and I don't know if you Black or not but the truth is - everybody has been tricked.
Ya gotta know...cause that belief that God is something outside of yourself helps the devil gain power
all the time.. see thats the thing.. my stance is rational.. meaning that it is potentially false!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charging Soldier
all rational and truly logical claims and stances must have the potential of being false.
i would truly love the idea and concept of a supernatural realm and an invisible god. such a thing would truly be amazing and fascinating. as a scientist i would also love that idea because that would mean that the natural world around us isnt all that we think it is.. (this would only add fuel to the burning natural curiosity all scietists have!) if it was somehow proven that there is a supernatural realm and aspet to life, we could then start asking more meaningful questions about our existence that would truly be fascinating.
all that i am waiting for is the verifiable objective evidence that gives credence to believe in such things!
i am inherantly open minded! but my open minded ness has a limit.. that limit is that whatever claim is propsed, must have evidence working for it.
how does believing in God helps the devil gain power?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqua Luna
i mean i think the faith in our hearts strengthens our humanity by giving us hope to go on.
but if we lose faith, we give up easily and when all left materialistic things with no faith, people depress faster, they have no patience and maybe suicide cuz they feel like nothing worth to live for.
maybe, the devil will be powerful if he knew we don't have faith in our hearts. He uses our emotions and our old pains to make us weak and make us lose any tiny bit of faith in our hearts.
Naw...don't you know that the devil is human?Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
He can take away your food and water and shelter if you don't submit to him.
That's what I mean when I say the whiteman is the devil...he likes it when you have faith cuz then you ain't relying on yourself to change the condition of yourself and your people.
You waiting for some abstract 'spook god' to answer your prayers while the devil slaugheters your seeds (babies).
Ya gotta wake up if you really love Allah...Wake up!
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
these are the key words right hereQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
You Think that its this way - you believe - you don't Know - you Believe -
so when someone who knows what the lie is and who it was told by, Believers cover their eyes and ears because they wanna continue to have faith in a lie - they are comfortable believeing a lie -
Peace Aqua, on this last sentence don't you think that it's possible that God actually resides in and out of you? The thought reminds me of a Taoist saying I've read somewhere that says that an empty vessel is filled with space.Quote:
But the people who go after and actually got all the money - Western society (europeans)...been in rule for thousands of years.
Think big my sistah, think big...we in a state of mental slavery - like bondage, and I don't know if you Black or not but the truth is - everybody has been tricked.
Ya gotta know...cause that belief that God is something outside of yourself helps the devil gain power
Think about the difference between how long DNA has been at work and when we found it. It simply takes our a knowledge a long time to catch up with what is already been fact since life's intial conception. Don't you think it's possible to be a completely rational scientist and at the same time be someone who has faith in what can not be absolutely proven? What about love or even emotions in general? Could we say beyond a shadow of doubt that love exists? How would we be certain?Quote:
all the time.. see thats the thing.. my stance is rational.. meaning that it is potentially false!
all rational and truly logical claims and stances must have the potential of being false.
i would truly love the idea and concept of a supernatural realm and an invisible god. such a thing would truly be amazing and fascinating. as a scientist i would also love that idea because that would mean that the natural world around us isnt all that we think it is.. (this would only add fuel to the burning natural curiosity all scietists have!) if it was somehow proven that there is a supernatural realm and aspet to life, we could then start asking more meaningful questions about our existence that would truly be fascinating.
all that i am waiting for is the verifiable objective evidence that gives credence to believe in such things!
i am inherantly open minded! but my open minded ness has a limit.. that limit is that whatever claim is propsed, must have evidence working for it.
What if the devil was something a little bit different? What if the devil was the lust that lurks deep within the minds and hearts of human? The thing is that men die right? But ideas of dominance, of superiority, of greed, of power. These ideas may never die and if they don't so the devil stays alive with them.Quote:
Naw...don't you know that the devil is human?
Right on Aqua! That's real right there. Words without actions are hollow. I believe God gives us the strength possible to rise above any situation but She's not going to do it for us. He did that when He showed us the way to live a good life. Even if someone doesn't believe the same in neither the bible nor the quran, grasping their underlying themes I think can still make someone a better person. Which is what I think religon is really here to do in the first place. If your existence does not make the human world a better place then you should probably take a look inside. And if you think it does, then please continue whatever it is you're doing, however you think is best. peaceQuote:
He can take away your food and water and shelter if you don't submit to him.
That's what I mean when I say the whiteman is the devil...he likes it when you have faith cuz then you ain't relying on yourself to change the condition of yourself and your people.
You waiting for some abstract 'spook god' to answer your prayers while the devil slaugheters your seeds (babies).
Ya gotta wake up if you really love Allah...Wake up!
Nope...cuz I'm the physical manifestaion of God...Faith without works is DEAD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
The body is what creates the works and the body is what shows and proves the works of God..."god" don't mean shit if I don't physically carry out his will...
The God and the Devil are only human beings who deal with positivity or else they let negativity take over and hurt others-
I am God.... And I am a positve atribute of Allah - I'm all about teaching the Truth...nothing else.
Damn, Eric...you be on the right track!...It's much appreciated - word!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
humphQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
you can't get enough of those arguments, can you?!
hi sunny,
yeah ok i confess that i believe. i'm guilty of that crime. but that doesn't mean by any chance that it's a lie or an old myth that doesn't stand on a concrete proof.
if it's a lie, why do i want to believe in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
i mean this is not fair, you consider any sort of believing and having faith is a trick or it has to be believing in a lie and never think of the possiblity that it maybe contains truth and knowledge.
i understand why some maybe have faith in something maybe a way to keep themselves away from the truth cuz somehow truth may hurts and maybe it's difficult and new but i think there is a god and god will never leave his creation if they want to know the truth. so when we try to reach for God, he reaches for us. but by kicking the faith outta ones's heart. how can you know the truth? and how can Allah take your hand if you don't want to, claiming that you can know everything yourself. this is unjust first and foremost for your own sake!
bumpin it up, and Timb's if you happen to peep this could you atleast consider a response to my question here(top of pg 14) thanks
www.nasamike.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
Check out Mike's book!
Above is my response to the questions. Enjoy, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by hectis
the whole universe is gods body while the wiseman is conscious of this his true self and due to this-is god.So the monotheistic ONE god-term(that was turned into the mystery spook god church and institutionalized religion advocate) and the NGE's gods-term dont exclude one another.It's just that the semantic form makes it seem paradox,but that lies in the nature of semantics itself,as words are used to DIFFER between things.I AM god but still god is almighty and untouchable thou all-incorporating.Because I AM also the devil as the all-united ONE god is UNDIVIDED.anybody get it?
Originally Posted by hectis
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DEBATE OF GOD SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT U THINK GOD IS
DO U BELIEVE IN GOD?
no
WHO IS GOD?
the true & living God is the black man, who does not praise a spook in the sky
IS IT A PERSON OR THING?
a person
IF IT IS A PERSON THEN IS THAT PERSON A HE OR SHE?
he
IF IT IS A THING THEN WHAT IS IT?
n/a
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOD OR MANY?
many
WHY IS GOD CALLED YAHWEH IN SOME TEXT BUT ALLAH IN
OTHERS?
other religion and origin have there own term or label
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON GOD?
he is here for all eye seeing
DO U FEAR GOD?
not at all
DO U LOVE OR HATE GOD?
I have love for my brothers
DO U RESPECT GOD?
I have respect for the ones I know
DO U SEEK GOD OR DO U SEEK SOMETHING ELSE?
n/a
DO U FEEL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD OR
BY THE WORD OF MAN?
the word of the wise that could be my grandma, dad, anyone.
:lmao: foolish.......