"Ask My First Timbs" Q&A thread

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

yes but from a biological/evolutionary standpoint

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peace Tims
can u please expound on this.

ill post my views / more Q's
when u respond

peace sir

I'll throw one out there for you Timbs.

From an evolutionary standpoint, what do you think the relationship is between advancing technology and natural survival characteristics are? There is evidence that due to technological advances in science, medicine, etc that people live longer and are bigger and stronger than previous generations. If you look at Medieval knights, who were the big warriors of their day, they didn't even measure up to 6 feet. Athletes are bigger and stronger than from a generation ago. So on the surface it may look like these advances are strengthening the species.

However if you look at it from another angle, it seems humans have grown too dependent relying on outside sources. Medicines are tremendously overused and people really keep their immune systems weak when they don't let it naturally fight off sickness. Technology has become such that people do not need or want to do as much physical activity as they used to(manual labor or just being active outside) and sit stagnated inside watching hours of images on TVs or computers. We are insulated and not exposed to most of the hardships of nature. People do not use nearly as much mental capacity as they used to. A good memory and quick cognitive abilities used to be the difference between life or death. Now people rely heavily on calculators to do simple math and are too lazy to even remember phone #'s anymore bc of speedial. This seems to be leading to the dulling of a lot of intellects.

So although it seems that on the surface extreme advances in technology would make a species stronger, is this just surperficial and actually harmful to human beings' natural survival abilities? Are we cutting ourselves off from nature and is this relying on technology rather than our minds and bodies making the species actually naturally weaker?

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

I wasnt saying that your agument is insulting me. I was saying that your argument and reasoning that Allah (or whatever deity is popluar at that current time in history) will "take something away" from someone (ie their senses) is insulting to the recognized history of theology and the concept of God.

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1) i was talkin' in general.
2) what makes the concept of GOD insulting?

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

i know that u really think that and want to believe that, but sadly its not the case. Most who are disabled in some form do not earn an extra sense or a heightened sense to compensate for their loss. and as for this "compensation" taking other forms (ie family support, spirituality etc etc) thats a cop out because every normal being has those things already in some shape or form.

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huh, what's up with you people focusing on the words i say instead of the meaning?!!

why don't you try to be objective yourself and look at the bright side instead always giving all your attention to every ugly dark side??

when people lose their faith, they lose hope, when they lose hope they kill themselves. why can't you see that?!

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

here is where the religionist refues to acknowledge the obvious contradiction. This is formally known as the argument of fate/destiny vs freewill. It is impossible to have free will in a reality that is governed by an omnipotent and omniscient god who already has everyone's lives "pre plotted" out on his mighty chalkboard. Thus by religious logic (and the recognized history of theology), I, myself am nothing but a manifestation of God's divine plan. Are u arguing that it was not in Gods plan for me to be an Athiest? Are u arguing that i somehow deviated from the plan or are u even further arguing that there is no "plan"? Being a believer of a God, you are obligated to pick a stance and ride it out! You cant play both sids of the fence by believing that there is a plan and an all knowing god but at the same time come to an irrational conclusion that we have free will.

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Plan? meaning "his will".

about you becoming an athiest,
His will above everything, at the same time he gave and still gives you several options and the choices you choose are all up to you.

i'll give ya example to my understanding of how his will works.
let's say Jamal is going to die next year. Allah decided that he's going to die after few days. after few days the brutha died in a car accident. nothing has to do with his disease or maybe he had a heart attack another thing that ain't related to his disease. Allah made this time is his time and so no matter how is the way he dies, the timing is the same as Allah decided it.

some people think of killing themselves, they think by doing that they are beating Allah's will and make their time come earlier. when the fact is when they die. It was Allah's will to let their attempt to kill themselves successed. and similarly when they fail killing themselves. Allah hasn't put that date as their time to die so they won't die for a reason or another "example, someone came in while they were trying to suicide or they freaked out, or etc."

let's get back to you,
being athiest was your free choice. Allah's plan was to give you the options and you pick what you want. that shows his mercy and his just. He didn't force you to worship him, praise him and thank him. He gave you the free will to choose anything you want. but sadly, for a reason or another you were duped to think that there is no God. AND to think that with all the knowledge you have, there is no way that there is a god and you don't see him before you.

when parents decide to put their kid in a school that he wants. Does that weaken their will over him? No, they just let him be where he wanted to be.

when you have two cars, Mercedes and jaguar and you decide to drive the Mercedes. Does that mean you didn't have the will to choose the other car? NO

it's just as simple as that. that's how God's will works! and even better...

i hope you can see the connection between Allah's will, you being atheist and this.

Here Comes The Boss!

when u loose faith u dont loose hope
just coz u think u will loose hope if u loose faith
doesnt mean that is how the world works

i think sister should study some quantum mechanics / physics

and see what the nature of reality really is.


open your mind hun,

peace

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

okay, now we are getting somewhere!! so do you agree that perfection means "existing in a state of completeness so that nothing is requisite" (ie existing in a state of perfection , having no needs or wants) ? do u agree ?

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i hope we do, and yes i believe in dat..

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

okay... now we are getting somewhere!, do u agree that all merciful refers to a punitive concept of " receiving less than what one actually deserves from their action or belief" ??

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He is merciful, He punishes for different reasons. Some we know and some we don't. However, in all cases there is mercy.

some of the things that show his mercy are when he punsihes you less than what you deserve for what you have done. two, he is punishing you as a test and giving you the chance to strengthen your faith or to find it which will make you closer to him cuz he loves you. three, he puts you in tough situations cuz he is saving you something else for later -even here that doesn't mean all he does is givin' ya the hard time but he rotates the situations sometimes good sometimes not and even in bad situations there is mercy as a matter of fact, in bad situations his mercy greater than when you're in a good situation cuz you know then he is doing that for your own sake- four, other reasons i do not know but i trust him as a creator to me, he won't hurt me if i am truthful.

that's about his mercy in the bad times. so yes he is merciful according to that.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

okay, so do you agree that an immutable being cannot and will not change his or her stance, belief or aspect of conceptual existence (how u answer is very important!)

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He is immutable as he does not change his ways when he treats goods and bads. He gives each what they deserve. He is immutable and doesn't change his stance.

example, you're bad you'll be punished. you're good you'll be rewarded. this is the imutable judge of his and that's how he is imutable in his stances. it's us who change so always there is an imuatable stance for us whichever path we take. i hope you understand what i'm tryin' 2 say. that's for his stance!

as for him being imutable in his existence,
As a muslim i know there are 99 names referred to God and actually they are characteristics. two of them are, THE FIRST and THE LAST. now some might think i'm contradicting maself cuz these two characteristics are contraries. It's how one's understanding explain it. To god they don't contradict but they clarify ta us.

How?
THE FIRST means that he was the first to be there in existence. THE LAST means that he is willing to be the last and after we all and everything die. see, it ain't contradiction. it's misunderstanding from oua part!! so his that leads to his third name and Characteristic THE EVERLASTING.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

okay, do u agree that "all just" refers to a punitive or reward concept of "ensuring individuals receive exactly what they deserve?"

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i believe that “ALL JUST” means that when Allah judges, he judges justly. And gives everyone what they deserve. When he judges.

However, Not everyone gets what they deserve in this life with humans' judges. We can see obviously that a lot of times the bad guys are happy and rich when the good ones are sad and living in hell. Hardships show the truthfulness in each one and make you see who is your friend and who is not. Hardships make people remember the importance of helping each other.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

lmao

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are you going to impress me with your answers or what ?! cuz so far ......na ah not impressed...

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

peace

there are several reasons for this.. This is formally known as the homo sapien cultural explosion and can be explained very easily. In a nutshell:

prior to the harnessing of certain aspects of reality, humans lived a relatively short life span. This is very important because with a short life span come certain things and with a longer life span come other things!

prior to the harnessing of fire and to the birth of agriculture, man had relatively short life spans (if u made it to about 25 years, u were lucky and an "elder")

Once fire and agriculture "jumped off", humans now lived alot longer. With longer life spans comes population growth. with larger populations and longer life spans, comes a focus shift! meaning a shift from a primary focus being on pure survival, to a more cultural social aspect. EVEN more importantly, with larger populations and longer life spans comes the ability to successfully gain more real world spacial and technical know how about the world u live in and objects that it contains!

Even more importantly, with a longer life span, comes the abiliy to properly pass on cultural knowledge to the next generation before you die!

Its alot more complicated than this, (and there are indeed other factors) but u get the idea.... human evolution (technological expansion and cultural evolution) are highly indebted to the birth of agriculture and the harnessing of fire)...

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thank you! very much that is exactly what i needed as a base for more findings...

and still the "jump off" is that one piece that i would have to witness to fully understand it..

peace

i did not neglect these questions.. (especially "sweet sista's too) be back in a few hours...

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Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?

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wats good timz

Could u please summerise the threory of evolution. I dont knw if u remeber a thread made in KTL a lil while back called, your religon or your beliefs where ppl posted their religon/ beliefs. what did u post or what would u post???

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for this one, its hard to just summarize evolution like that.. its way to complicated.. check out my website on evolution for a brief understanding of it.

www.acalltosanity.com/evolutioneasilyexplained.html

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Originally Posted by soul controller

peace Tims
can u please expound on this.

ill post my views / more Q's
when u respond

peace sir

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Originally Posted by cd

I'll throw one out there for you Timbs.

From an evolutionary standpoint, what do you think the relationship is between advancing technology and natural survival characteristics are? There is evidence that due to technological advances in science, medicine, etc that people live longer and are bigger and stronger than previous generations. If you look at Medieval knights, who were the big warriors of their day, they didn't even measure up to 6 feet. Athletes are bigger and stronger than from a generation ago. So on the surface it may look like these advances are strengthening the species.

However if you look at it from another angle, it seems humans have grown too dependent relying on outside sources. Medicines are tremendously overused and people really keep their immune systems weak when they don't let it naturally fight off sickness. Technology has become such that people do not need or want to do as much physical activity as they used to(manual labor or just being active outside) and sit stagnated inside watching hours of images on TVs or computers. We are insulated and not exposed to most of the hardships of nature. People do not use nearly as much mental capacity as they used to. A good memory and quick cognitive abilities used to be the difference between life or death. Now people rely heavily on calculators to do simple math and are too lazy to even remember phone #'s anymore bc of speedial. This seems to be leading to the dulling of a lot of intellects.

So although it seems that on the surface extreme advances in technology would make a species stronger, is this just surperficial and actually harmful to human beings' natural survival abilities? Are we cutting ourselves off from nature and is this relying on technology rather than our minds and bodies making the species actually naturally weaker?

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Brother "Timbs,"

How can I begin to trace my lineage? I want to take it back to Afrika if all possible. I'm going to chance my name but I want to be able to trace my blood back as far as possible first. I know that on my mother's side I'm almost all Cherokee. I have an Aunt that has a massive amount of info but I have to head out to the country to hit her up. I'm going to stop procrastinating and build with my Elders. Anyway, help me out please?

Peace

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

Brother "Timbs,"

How can I begin to trace my lineage? I want to take it back to Afrika if all possible. I'm going to chance my name but I want to be able to trace my blood back as far as possible first. I know that on my mother's side I'm almost all Cherokee. I have an Aunt that has a massive amount of info but I have to head out to the country to hit her up. I'm going to stop procrastinating and build with my Elders. Anyway, help me out please?

Peace

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the easiest way is to locate a "local" dna testing laboratory and find out if they do "matrilineal mitochondrial dna mutation analysis"

sounds mouthy but all it is is a genetic trace of your x chrmosomal lineage (your mothers line) via analysis of changes in mitochondrial mutations from generation to generation.

that would solve the mystery very easily (but it gets rather expensive) sometime upward of 10,000. because in adition to u giving a dna sample via hair or buccal swab (cheek swab), they will also have the task of accessing the bioinformatic database of the people in the region u think u might have distant relatives in.

i do it all the time,, but unfortunately on rodents only :9

although if ur interested i bet u would be greatly intrigued to trace your matrilineal lineage across the species line (because u do have one!)

Good lookin, Timbs. The closest that I know of is in DC. I'll hold that info in my back pocket until I can use it. Appreciate it.

Peace

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

thats a very bold baseless uninformed statement! (but very common in religionist beliefs)

I am not a non believer because I am ignorant of the believer or concept of one.. if anything, i am at a supreme advantage of making a rational decision having objectively formally studied almost every religion on the planet from the oldest formal religion to the newest new age philosophy u prolly havent heard of yet.

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The ignorance i was pointing at wasn't the ignorance of an illiterate. Some people have a degree and they are ignorant about specific things -Don't take it personally- we all are lack of knowledge in somethings. There isn't someone who knows everything about everything. And if there is someone i would call him “GOD”.

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as for depression. thats another long standing misconception of the atheist. For some strange reason, religionists (the fanatical ones) would love for it to be the case that a person becomes a non believer because they are depressed or lacking something in life.. this honestly just simply isnt the case at all. I am one of the most happy, optimistic and easy going people you would ever meet. there is not a depressed nerve in my body (and if there was, i would know that rationally it is merely a lack of serotonin levels), so it would not be cause for concern. (let alone a reason to "not believe".... )

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Isn't that serotonin you're talking about is something effected by the psychological feelings of the humans by any chance? i mean sometimes, people get depressed when they see that all they have is rough days and they think god ain't helping them so they conclude that it's easier for them to think that there is no god.

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as for arrogance.. again.. this claim is baseless. Do not confuse arrogance with confidence based on a secure knowledge and critical thinking ability. And even more importantly, the rational atheist is the furthest thing from "arrogant".. this is so because we readily admit that we dont know everything. (in actuality there is so much that is unknown, hence the reason why most atheists have an affinity to science in pursuit of natural curiosity!!)) and even further, we know and understand that every rational claim has the potential to be completely false! how is this arrogant? its the exact opposite of the philosophy of religion and what arrogance means!

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Humph, i didn't mean you're being an arrogant but i was listing what i think some of the reasons for some atheists to believe in what they believe in. they don't want to be objective but they tend to be unique at anything and the truth doesn't matter ta them.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

the philosophy of religion is a pure example of the height of man's arrogance! (a belief that we were made in the image of a divine creator is about the most arrogant and chauvanistic thing ive ever heard).. and like i said.. my argument and everythging i believe could be totally false... all it would take to do this is provide evidence showing its false (evidence of a supernatural realm, evidence that all creatures do not have common ancestry etc..) if u want to combat atheism and thos who dont beleive, thats all u would have to do!.. however in contrast u state on several occaisions that u KNOW you are right and u get frustrated when u are trying to HELP people see the RIGHT way.... lmao at the arrogance and irrationality!.. i ask u... what would it take to potentially falsify your claim and beliefs? (any rational logical claim has the ability to be falsified).. what would it take for yours??

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easy on me, man!
and honestly arrogant people make me sick so i can't be one of them. I never claimed i know everything and all that but the thing i'm positive about 100% is that there is ONE GOD for the sake of all those who suffered, suffers and our own sake. Other than that i consider the possibility that i'm wrong about any other thing in life. the usual things and the decisions that made by myself or other humans, it's possible that they're wrong. And yeah you're right I sure get frustrated cuz i kinda care and 4 me it's more like talking to your little brutha who just doesn't listen.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

i ask u... what would it take to potentially falsify your claim and beliefs? (any rational logical claim has the ability to be falsified).. what would it take for yours??

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if you're talking about my beliefs as in “principles and opinions” in life in general, it's possible that some of them are wrong or lack of full awareness. but the concept of GOd isn't my claim. it's the truth.

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Isn't that serotonin you're talking about is something effected by the psychological feelings of the humans by any chance? i mean sometimes, people get depressed when they see that all they have is rough days and they think god ain't helping them so they conclude that it's easier for them to think that there is no god.

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religion is the opiate of the people.

yeah yeah i know that uuh umm
MARXISM??

Whats all this about .

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Originally Posted by sweet sista

yeah yeah i know that uuh umm
MARXISM??

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fo sho.

he looked at religion more from the economic standpoint, as he did with almost everything in life.


but id say it applies in other ways too.


your saying people believe in a god (atleast partially) just so they have hope and to give their life some meaning instead of looking at the harsh reality of it all, that we are just actually an unplanned, purposelesss, cosimic accident.

i think living a life where you put so much of yourself into a god is living lie, you are cheating yourself on the truth.

not only are u preventing urself from ever experiencing objective truth...

in many cases u continue a trend that will prevent others from understanding objective truth (because by nature, religion is dogmatic)

furthermore, it prevents you from actually understanding why things are the way they are

even more importantly, it decreases one's real world decision making skills.

and in addition, it prevents one from really understanding just how wonderful and precious life is....(because lets get serious,, how precious is life if its only the result of supernatural father.....there is nothing special about that...) but if life is a result of a natural process that took an astronomical amount of time to be sustained, then THAT is REALLy special and prompts one to look at the world alot differently and with alot more respect!

I Have A Theory
Either Religious Cats Know That Its Bullshit
Or Their Just Very Stupid
I Mean Look At How Many Religions There Are
How Can One Be Wrong And Another True?
Its Stupid To Believe In Anything You Cant See And Know Its Real
But The World Is Full Of Wrong Doing
The More People Follow Religion The Better
Of Course
Isay That But Theres Extremists
Cats In Ireland Blow Each Other Up
And You Got All This Bullshit Muslims Blowin Up Buildings And Shit For Allah
Fuck It

^It sounds like you believe a lot of the lies they told you.

Still waiting for an answer to that last question. I know you stay busy and don't always have the time. I just wanted to make sure it didn't slip from the conversation.

Peace

Timbs could you explain the evolution of man from apes? I have read some knowledge on this but I still can't really grasp the whole concept of it and this is why: It has been scientifically proven that the original people of the earth were black, now they say that man evolved from apes but caucasians have retained more of the physical characteristics of apes than black people have. I'm speaking of the noses, the thin lips, and the excessive body hair. Please add on your undertanding of how this came to be.

Peace

Do you believe in extra terrestrial beings? If so, what would be your argument for their existence, from a scientific standpoint? Likewise, what would be your argument for their not existing, if that is your belief?

Have you ever known anybody to abandon their religion, and/or belief in a God, due to anything you said or wrote?

Do you think religion has had a positive or negative effect on humankind, as a whole?

What's your take on things such as ghosts, and paranormal phenomena such as the Bermuda Triangle?

What do you think happened at Roswell in 1947?

Why do you desire to enforce your evolution theories, and disbelief in a God?

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

not only are u preventing urself from ever experiencing objective truth...

in many cases u continue a trend that will prevent others from understanding objective truth (because by nature, religion is dogmatic)

furthermore, it prevents you from actually understanding why things are the way they are

even more importantly, it decreases one's real world decision making skills.

and in addition, it prevents one from really understanding just how wonderful and precious life is....(because lets get serious,, how precious is life if its only the result of supernatural father.....there is nothing special about that...) but if life is a result of a natural process that took an astronomical amount of time to be sustained, then THAT is REALLy special and prompts one to look at the world alot differently and with alot more respect!

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lemme get that straight,
to think that the universe was just an accident is something special.

on the other hand, ya got the concept of God which you consider as "nothing special".

this is not only narrow-mindness but it's also utter nonsense. cuz everyone in his/her right mind knows that such a special great complicated universe and creatures can't be created as a result of an accident.

meanin'
look at the human body and all the complication in it. How does the brain work and the heart or where did the soul come from? look at every living thing and you can figure how they can not be made just like that.

It's the same as sayin' that a jet plane or an antom bomb or any complicated thing can be made by itself or as you say "as a result of a natural process" despite being so complicated.

i think the truth or as you call it "the concept of God", doesn't need you to be philosopher nor scientist to figure his existence out. all it takes is to be a human being with right mind and common sense.

one thing i just don't understand how does the faith in God, decreases one's real world decision making skills. if somebody doesn't want to improve oneself, what does God has to do with this? Did GOd by any chance prevent him/her to seek knowledge. i think NOT.

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Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?

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im not sure if i follow ur question or if u have a typo in it

are u asking "that if we assume that god is real for a second and that he has an interest in testing the faith of his own creation (in him), what would be the point in testing the faith of his creation (us), if his existence could NOT be proven?

if thats what ur referring to, then it all boils down to the issue of faith itself and whether it is a positive, natural, raional trait or if its an irratonal trait to have faith.

for a god to test the faith of his own creation (and at the same time not provide even a shred of evidence for credence to this belief) is rather sadistic and countercurrent to the god given gift of reason.

but all of this is null and void because its assuming that a god does exist who would do such a thing. (not thats its impossible,, everything is possible when it comes to the unknown)...its just not rational to believe such in the face of no reasoning to believe it.

referring to the concept of collective conscious

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peace Tims
can u please expound on this.

ill post my views / more Q's
when u respond

peace sir

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referring to the concept of collective conscious

yes i do believe in it but purely from a biological/evolutionary standpoint

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peace Tims
can u please expound on this.

ill post my views / more Q's
when u respond

peace sir

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sure,

the common understanding of collective conscious is that basically there is a medium that exists thru which humans (and possibly other creatures) can all simultaneously "tap into" (on a subconscious level) that contains information about humanity on a whole or particular "cultural knowledge" on the whole... ie, the brain can tap into a wealth of information (similar how we can use the internet to learn about any thing ).............but the thing is.. the common understanding of collective conscious attributes this concept to the existence of an "ether" of sorts. (ie a "vehicle" thru which this knowledge and awareness travels thru and exists in at the same time)

this is where the rational atheist differs.

we view the conceptive of "collective consciousness" more as simply "ingrained understanding" or "instinctual knowledge", that existsview the years of genetic success and failures in natural selection. (basicaly think of it as encoded in our genome in a sense)

for example, when i talk about collective consciousness, i am merely referring to all humans or a significant group of humans sharing a certain understanding or wealth of knowledge or way of thought, without ever having any type of cultural information exchange! (and hence, by my definition, certain things "known" via collective consciousness can apply to all of humanity and certain things can only apply to certain populations of humans).. generally the broader the concept, the greater the chance of it applying to all of humaniity, the more specific teh concept, the less chance that it applies to all of humanity.

case in point, most cultures on teh planet at one point or another have developed a concept of dragons. regardless of where they were on the planet at that time, all of these cultures came up with this concept of a scary creature with wings, big teeth, scales and a tail and some claws.....(altho we know for a fact that such a creature never existed) and more importantly dinosaurs and humans never lived side by side!

so where did this concept of a scary dragon come from?

this is where collective consciousness comes in via evolutionary mechanisms (ie genetic succes/failure, and natural selection!)

although humans were not around during dinosaur times, early humans (that we all stem from!) were indeed alive on the planet when there were very large cats to fear, very deadly snakes to fear and very large birds of prey to fear!

the concept of the "dragon" is a concept created and shared in teh colective consciousness of all humans based on natural selection. Early humans who were the most afraid of snakes, lareg cats and predatory birds, were the ones who ebded up living long ebuff to have offspring. those offspring (genetically) more times than not, retained a vital genetic charateristic (that being a fear of snakes, cats and birds).. over time this genetic trait to have this fear has trickled down to all of humanity across the globe...and ultimately the fear has manifested itself by amalgamation ( a melting of the concepts together), thus the creation of the "dragon" (a scary creature that has large teeth and claws like a large cat, has wings and flies liek a predatory bird and has scales and a tongue like a deadly snake!)

the dragon was created via our collective consciousness (ie different cultures who have never exchanged ideas tapped into this geneticically ingrained wealth of knowledge) in order to come up with a similar concept or way of thought

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Originally Posted by cd
I'll throw one out there for you Timbs.

From an evolutionary standpoint, what do you think the relationship is between advancing technology and natural survival characteristics are? There is evidence that due to technological advances in science, medicine, etc that people live longer and are bigger and stronger than previous generations. If you look at Medieval knights, who were the big warriors of their day, they didn't even measure up to 6 feet. Athletes are bigger and stronger than from a generation ago. So on the surface it may look like these advances are strengthening the species.

However if you look at it from another angle, it seems humans have grown too dependent relying on outside sources. Medicines are tremendously overused and people really keep their immune systems weak when they don't let it naturally fight off sickness. Technology has become such that people do not need or want to do as much physical activity as they used to(manual labor or just being active outside) and sit stagnated inside watching hours of images on TVs or computers. We are insulated and not exposed to most of the hardships of nature. People do not use nearly as much mental capacity as they used to. A good memory and quick cognitive abilities used to be the difference between life or death. Now people rely heavily on calculators to do simple math and are too lazy to even remember phone #'s anymore bc of speedial. This seems to be leading to the dulling of a lot of intellects.

So although it seems that on the surface extreme advances in technology would make a species stronger, is this just surperficial and actually harmful to human beings' natural survival abilities? Are we cutting ourselves off from nature and is this relying on technology rather than our minds and bodies making the species actually naturally weaker?

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will answer shortly

Peace Tims,

Thankyou for your reply
im gonna digest what u wrote and hit u back,,

peace.

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Originally Posted by sweet sista

legato,
you see God does control everything but the thing is, he gives humans the freedom to pick whatever they like.

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Then what good is he ?

why allow his creation/children to have an option to chose wickedness ?

Just came to thank Myfirsttimbs for the knowledge you have been dropping. Im on page 4 and im already excited whats next to come.:hooray:

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Then what good is he ?

why allow his creation/children to have an option to chose wickedness ?

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actually he is so good he is the best. some will start to call me subjective..i don't care cuz to act toward the one who gave me everything i am as he didn't do anything is like a betrayal and it even gets worse when you act toward who stood by your side when nobody did like he is the impeached now.

He allows his creation to have an option to choose wickedness the same way he allows them to choose to do good. Because he is Allah "god" in other words, he's no saucy, he's all merciful, he's all wise and all just. He doesn't want to force humans like animals against their will. He gave humans the gift of "mind" which allows them to think of the consequences of thier actions. To choose to do good. avoid doing wickedness.

Imagine if he almighty forced all of us to do "good" things, are we going to do it properly? i mean in the best way they can be done? nah we won't, we'll be either like animals messing around with things or we won't do it good cuz we feel insulted or we don't feel like it.

example, if you were forced by your boss at work to do something. yeah you maybe will but the result won't be not as good as it should. but when he gives you the choices, you'll be creative. and that's the point, Wooly.

i think all of us to see God. we need to want to see him. however, if we were yelling like "WE WANNA SEE GOD" but in hearts we're like "yeah right". Not that i'm saying you need to be a believer first but be sincere in your search to god.


i think another effective thing is to make the "bond" between you and god direct. don't aks someone to be as your connector. God can hear you, he doesn't need a loud speaker. he can see you he doesn't need a viewer. just be sincere. spending time thinking by yourself "alone" instead of letting others influence your way of thinking can make you see god.

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genetically and evolutionally, how do you explain whites and asians having smaller asses then blacks. That is, what were the differentiating factors in their enviroments that caused this disparity in ass size to occur?

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hehehehe, now i’m gonna give ya what you've been waiting for.


1) is God "perfect" ? yes
2) is god all merciful ? yes

3) Is god immutable (meaning he/she/it is "unchanging"?) yes


4) Is God all "just" (meaning ultimately he makes sure justice is served)

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okay lets break this down.. i didnt 4get about it...

u say that the concept of god that u believe in is that god is perfect and thus by definition is complete and without needs or wants.. (these are u words that u agreed to)

The problem with your way of thinking and ultimately your concept of god is the logical contradiction...as such:

this is a widely known philosophical stance and i xplain it further in my new book "Why Bad Beliefs Dont Die" (due out Aug 11 th!!, preorders start July 4th) :=)

The Perfection vs Creation Fallacy

step 1) God is allegedly perfect
step 2) God allegedly created the universe
step 3) Perfection implies a state of being complete , without needs or wants
step 4) if god created the universe, he obviously either wanted to or needed to create it !

step 5) remember, a perfect being cant had needs or wants (at any time)

step 6) this means god isnt perfect

step 7) if god isnt perfect, this violates the premise of step 1.

step 8) logically , god cant exist.

see the problem with your concept sweet sista?


in addition, u also stated that god is unchanging ie immutable

here is the problem

Religious Fallacy of Immutability

Step 1) God is immutable/unchnaging
Step 2) God created the universe
Step 3) in order to create the universe, this means god had an "intent" to create the universe before he created it !
Step 4) after god creates the universe, his intent was satisfied and thus he no longer had the intent
Step 5) by no longer having the intent, god's idealogical stance has fundamentally changed from his originally stance (of having an intent!)
Step 6) God is supposed to be immutable?
Step 7) logically god isnt immutable
Step 8) God doesnt exist

trying to expalin these things to sweet sista is like showing a blind man a beautiful picture

she'll never see it

and fuck these evolution theories

my people don't come from apes

you can go on and believe what your master wrote out in books as facts in the name of science

they'll have a different story next year

you name and label these things the way they taught you to name and label them
and cannot see whats what for yourself

to have your enemy guide you this way is sick and silly in this day and age when the knowledge of God and devil is right there sittin on your eyeballs

continue to hold the hands of your coon makers and receive what he is about to receive

apsu!! so i'm blind now?!
and sweet poor me i was going to say to you, long time no see...

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okay lets break this down.. i didnt 4get about it...

u say that the concept of god that u believe in is that god is perfect and thus by definition is complete and without needs or wants.. (these are u words that u agreed to)

The problem with your way of thinking and ultimately your concept of god is the logical contradiction...as such:

this is a widely known philosophical stance and i xplain it further in my new book "Why Bad Beliefs Dont Die" (due out Aug 11 th!!, preorders start July 4th) :=)

The Perfection vs Creation Fallacy

step 1) God is allegedly perfect
step 2) God allegedly created the universe
step 3) Perfection implies a state of being complete , without needs or wants
step 4) if god created the universe, he obviously either wanted to or needed to create it !

step 5) remember, a perfect being cant had needs or wants (at any time)

step 6) this means god isnt perfect

step 7) if god isnt perfect, this violates the premise of step 1.

step 8) logically , god cant exist.

see the problem with your concept sweet sista?


in addition, u also stated that god is unchanging ie immutable

here is the problem

Religious Fallacy of Immutability

Step 1) God is immutable/unchnaging
Step 2) God created the universe
Step 3) in order to create the universe, this means god had an "intent" to create the universe before he created it !
Step 4) after god creates the universe, his intent was satisfied and thus he no longer had the intent
Step 5) by no longer having the intent, god's idealogical stance has fundamentally changed from his originally stance (of having an intent!)
Step 6) God is supposed to be immutable?
Step 7) logically god isnt immutable
Step 8) God doesnt exist

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timbs, you're no god! so you can't come and say what are people's intention and it's even dumber to assume what was god's intention just like that. he is god, you can't think that he thinks the same way humans do! Unless you think humans can create a universe, humans, animals, plants rocks again cuz humans can't they maybe able to reproduce something but not create it.

also you don't know that he did or didn't have an intention before, after creating the universe. What you said is an assumptions that don't always work the same way.

to say that god didn't have the intent to something is so subjective superficial viewpoint. Cuz it's like looking at a man who build his house in a remote district and calling him an ignorant. Before knowing for sure that he has no clue about the future of the land he is building his house on. He could be the to know this area and all the conditions and he has to have a good reasons and god proved that how good he almighty is by creating such various creations and universes and etc.

humans set strategies for ten or twenty or more years to get a project done, how can god who created them not to do at least at least the same?! Not that i'm sayin that it's hard for him to do things but he has to have the intention of everything and how things will go etc. another thing that makes him god.

timbs, all you just did was assumings and try to psychologies god as a human, that doesn't work. Use your knowledge that you swelled ma ears with.

lmao

i just read ur post quickly and u obviously missed te whole point of my post..

do u know what an "intention" is?

are u saying god didnt deliberately create the universe? it was a mistake?

POOR SWEET YOU? MY AZZ!!
i just remembered who do you remind me of...THE LITTLE GIRL NEXT DOOR SHE IS 9 BUT UNLIKE U SHE DOESNT SPEAK RELIGIOUS SHIT

^aight, join the club....me and the banned a**.......lol

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apsu!! so i'm blind now?!
and sweet poor me i was going to say to you, long time no see...

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Now ?

you always been blind

a blind follower of nonsense