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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
yes, quantum theory is quite enigmatic, to put it mildly..when you bury yourself in analysis of this coupled with the more recent string theory, it is difficult not to at least consider an objective, omniscient figure who presides over all of these complexities that we ourselves can barely get our minds around. there seems to be an order in the arbitrary nature of our universe, if that makes any sense. personally, i would say that the dynamic of complexity can be defined as anything that suggests or exhibits a certain sequence, implied organization, or perceived existence. if something exists, then it is hard to question that it is a result of some more exalted process or controlled action. of course, as my 1sttimbs did, one can easily point to the nonsensical logic in the idea of a God, a being that is not superceded by anything else. here, i think we must accept our limitations...if something is so great, so transcendent to fabricate and orchestrate a multiplicity of dimensions and galaxies, then it is probably pertinent to realize that, as a part of this creation, we can never quite conceive of this lofty truth, but this is where it gets murky...most throw out religion because of its ostensibly inherent plagues..but if one could forget all of the socioeconomic and social bullshit that litters theology, i think one could glean some wisdom or truth regarding a systematic edifying of the idea of a God through prophetic revelations...in other words, the 'religious' God is identical to the 'quantum theory' God...
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
It's a fact that in general, un-educated and lower level educated people are more likely to believe in religions as opposed to higher level educated people.
I think that alone can tell you where god came from.
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
PEACE
geometry???
good luck!!!!
there are unseen and seen forces present in the physical universe(the planets spinning around the sun, an infinite amount of hearts beating, babies being formed in a womb etc etc)....something is powering and guiding the physical universe.......i have to give thanks for whatever is sustaining my existence....if u don't who cares...i don't......with no hard feelings...i think every one can agree that being a good person is way more important than belief........
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
there are no unseen forces
there are no mysteries
there are only different ways of telling the same story
from that perspective
ballistics point that
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in other words, the 'religious' God is identical to the 'quantum theory' God
is pretty much on point
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
im not really sure what u are asking...
yes many need to believe in something.. but im not really sure what ur asking
im just saying that indivuals hoo choose to live in the world of mathmatics are just another group like muslims or catholics
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by SoNoFman
im just saying that indivuals hoo choose to live in the world of mathmatics are just another group like muslims or catholics
not necessarily tho...
there is a huge difference
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
the reason why i write such things is because in actual truth like one of these other cats said that things only have meaning because we choose to give it meaning. Bottom line our phylosophy is alot more iller than most ways of thot, but were just another group amongst a world full of uncertain mothafukas who claim shit so that we can live amongst each other in this physicle form without blowin the werld up.
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by SoNoFman
the reason why i write such things is because in actual truth like one of these other cats said that things only have meaning because we choose to give it meaning. Bottom line our phylosophy is alot more iller than most ways of thot, but were just another group amongst a world full of uncertain mothafukas who claim shit so that we can live amongst each other in this physicle form without blowin the werld up.
so you are saying that, humans make things seem to be ... as opposed to explain what it is... therefore to counter world suicide?
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PEACE
"there are no unseen forces"
okay.......is there a rope tied to the planet earth????
if there is i sure don't see it
where is the rope tied to? the north pole?
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not necessarily how i meant for u to interprit it. more like an excuse for people to co-exist in peace while we exist in this physicle.After all , we do need to get along ,cuz
if not , bad shit happens ,not dat it already does, but u get my drift
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Originally Posted by Peter Parker
It's a fact that in general, un-educated and lower level educated people are more likely to believe in religions as opposed to higher level educated people.
I think that alone can tell you where god came from.
Wow thats one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. Many brilliant people have strong religous faiths. Malcolm X, MLK, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein just to name a few.
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
if geometry proves god's existence then it would go to show that he works in numbers which are arrange in accordance with a plan/program to which god would be god is a machine to which we just have to throw the wrench and see what the result is ( play a cause and look for result) its trsted out in science labs more than in places of worship for one follows the numbers and the other tweeks and plays with.
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the fact we are even having this discussion proves gods existence
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by knowcheeze
PEACE
"there are no unseen forces"
okay.......is there a rope tied to the planet earth????
if there is i sure don't see it
where is the rope tied to? the north pole?
have you heard of the word 'deduction'?
when you see a sail boat
but
you dont see the wind pushing it
do you also say that there must be a string attached to the sail boat?
if you can see the effects of wind
then you can see the wind
if you can see the effects of gravity
then you can see gravity
there are no unseen forces
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
the effects of any force really isn't a visual of the force, it is still an unseen force.
Mathematics is the purest universal language and it proves symmetry. Even the big bang theory isn't resolved without an equation.
I read someone say their is no symmetry to man - I disagree - the perfection that is God is the opposite to the imperfect man. Religion is man made. God is the force that created the universe. The systematic process of the big bang theory is symmetry. Particle of the pure opposite element collide to create matter.
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Originally Posted by Potent1
the effects of any force really isn't a visual of the force, it is still an unseen force.
through the power of DEDUCTION
otherwise unseen forces become visible
you cant see the wind
but
you can see something holding a kite in the air
it isnt that much of a stretch
you cant see fear
but
you can see a man running from the law
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Mathematics is the purest universal language and it proves symmetry. Even the big bang theory isn't resolved without an equation.
blowing smoke?
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by LHX
through the power of DEDUCTION
otherwise unseen forces become visible
you cant see the wind
but
you can see something holding a kite in the air
it isnt that much of a stretch
you cant see fear
but
you can see a man running from the law
blowing smoke?
i agree with LHX
unseen forces, well...
much in the universe cant be explained as man cannot comprehend outside his physical limitations.
there are dimensions out there that cannot be comprehended as we assume that cos we cant acknoweldge it.. it therefore doesnt exist.
hmm
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by LHX
the fact we are even having this discussion proves gods existence
lol thats true...
you see.. people say God cannot exist because it makes no sense.. however since day one.. man has believed in the supreme..
now let me put in sumin... if we can believe in God why dont we agree that fairies could exist..
why would believers say with conviction that fairies cannot exist?
God is very difficult to explain... its the connection with him that makes us believe in the supreme consciousness that we are part of.
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Originally Posted by Princerai
lol thats true...
you see.. people say God cannot exist because it makes no sense.. however since day one.. man has believed in the supreme..
now let me put in sumin... if we can believe in God why dont we agree that fairies could exist..
why would believers say with conviction that fairies cannot exist?
God is very difficult to explain... its the connection with him that makes us believe in the supreme consciousness that we are part of.
by fairies
do you mean gay people?
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Originally Posted by LHX
by fairies
do you mean gay people?
lol... but u know what i mean
the idea of God has always existed, why?
cos man just needs that desire to have a God?
basically the fact that we believe in a ULTIMATE POWER.. suggests it exists.. i mean how can our most thoughprovoking power not exist when it cant be perfect..
isnt perfect.. perfect.. when it actually exits?
ok thats word play... but thats just a start to the quest to see God..
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Originally Posted by Princerai
lol... but u know what i mean
the idea of God has always existed, why?
cos man just needs that desire to have a God?
basically the fact that we believe in a ULTIMATE POWER.. suggests it exists.. i mean how can our most thoughprovoking power not exist when it cant be perfect..
isnt perfect.. perfect.. when it actually exits?
ok thats word play... but thats just a start to the quest to see God..
word play might possibly be the result of god trying to define himself
i know what you mean by fairies
but i do not think they are necessary
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haha word to LHX, you're on some real recondite thinking.
just the fact that we have a power of speculation points to powers that we have been endowed with. we're all broken mirror fragments of the reflection of God.
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Originally Posted by LHX
word play might possibly be the result of god trying to define himself
i know what you mean by fairies
but i do not think they are necessary
lol exactly tehrefore we deduct that belief.. but stik 2 God as that concept is more appealing?
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
hmmmmmm
a good point
if you want
it would prolly be easier to say that fairies and angels are agents of god
this is prolly a conversation similar to the one that took place when they first decided to create a religion
lets get them focussing on the words rather than spending their time in a natural state of freedom
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
hmm yes indeed
agents of God apparently.. then its taught that God is all powerful hmm...
but the fact that angels are similarly believed in as God and not fairies suggests their existence if we assume that talkin as we do concludes Gods existnce!
hmm id love to break the tehory of angels..
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Originally Posted by Princerai
hmm yes indeed
agents of God apparently.. then its taught that God is all powerful hmm...
but the fact that angels are similarly believed in as God and not fairies suggests their existence if we assume that talkin as we do concludes Gods existnce!
hmm id love to break the tehory of angels..
god is like the main veins
angels are the capillaries
we are the nerves that touch the skins surface which is why we have to be careful or we get burnt
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peace good representation...
i see it the same.. God as the head .. and slowly his wonders coexist when our minds are at peace..
i see a peaceful hierarchy
its debatable.. but doesnt nature and the universe bind itself to hierarchy?
we can look at simplest things in nature to see this.. the hierarschy is governed by Gods laws which are flexible.. and also bound by the power of harmony which is the glue to hold things together...
angels humans etc and all other beings are instruments to show Gods energy in terms of physicality..
god has no body as that would limit him... etc
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Originally Posted by Princerai
peace good representation...
i see it the same.. God as the head .. and slowly his wonders coexist when our minds are at peace..
i see a peaceful hierarchy
its debatable.. but doesnt nature and the universe bind itself to hierarchy?
we can look at simplest things in nature to see this.. the hierarschy is governed by Gods laws which are flexible.. and also bound by the power of harmony which is the glue to hold things together...
angels humans etc and all other beings are instruments to show Gods energy in terms of physicality..
god has no body as that would limit him... etc
yo
i would agree with you
except that i would say that even god is bound by gods laws
and i would also say that gods laws are not really flexible
you can create men from the dirt in your imagination
if these men were to say that you have no body that limits you
would they be right?
same deal
as above
so below
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by LHX
blowing smoke?
Challenge = name anything that can't be defined mathematically.
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peace.. i appreciate your belief
but when god made the law.. he is all powerful and thus must not have to be bound to his own rules.. wouldnt that contradict God?
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"The Absolute, the Abstract Space is the Causa Causorum of everything which is, has been, and will be.
"The profound and joyous Space is certainly the incomprehensible "Seity", that is the ineffable mystic root of the seven Cosmos. It is the mysterious origin of all of that which we know as Spirit, Matter, Universes, Suns, Worlds, etc.
"That", the Divine, the Space of Happiness, is a tremendous reality beyond the Universe and the Gods.
"That" does not have any dimension, and truly It is what always will be, and has been. It is the life which intensely throbs within each atom and within each sun.
"Let us now talk about the "Ocean of the Spirit". How can It be defined?
"Certainly, the Ocean of the Spirit is Brahma, which is the first difference or modification of "That", before which Gods and human beings tremble.
"Is "That" Spirit? Truly I tell you that It is not. Is "That" Matter? Certainly I tell you that It is not.
"That" is the Root of the Spirit and of the Matter, but It is not Spirit, neither Matter.
"That" overcomes the Laws of Number, Measurement, and Weight, Side by Side, Quantity, Quality, Front, Back, Above, Below, etc..
"That" is the immutable in profound divine abstraction. Light which has never been created by any God, neither by any human being. "That" has no name.
"Brahma is Spirit, but "That" is not Spirit.
"AIN (Nothingness) the Unmanifested is Uncreated Light.
"The Absolute is life free in its motion; it is the Supreme Reality, the Abstract Space that only expresses itself as Absolute Abstract Motion, happiness without limits, complete Omniscience. The Absolute is Uncreated Light and perfect plenitude, absolute happiness, life free in its motion, life without conditions, without limits.
"Within the Absolute we pass beyond Karma and the Gods, far beyond the Law, beyond the mind, and the individual consciousness which only serves for mortifying our life. Within the Absolute we do not have an individual mind, neither individual consciousness. "There" we are the free and absolutely happy unconditional Being.
"The Absolute is life free in its motion, without conditions, without limitations, without a mortifying fear towards the Law. It is life beyond the Spirit and Matter, beyond Karma and pain.
"The Absolute is Absolute Abstract Space, Absolute Abstract Motion, Absolute Liberty without conditions, without reserves, Absolute Omniscience, and Absolute Happiness.
"We have to finish with the process of the "I", in order to enter into the Absolute. The human "I" must enter into the house of the dead, must go to the common grave of the astral rubbish. The "I" must be disintegrated in the Abyss, in order for the Being, full of majesty and power, to be born.
"Only impersonal life and the Being can give us the legitimate happiness of the Great Life free in its motion.
"To struggle, to fight, to suffer, and to be free in the end, in order to get lost as a drop within the ocean of Uncreated Light, is certainly the best longing.
"One needs to be prepared within the Region of Atala, before entering into the Absolute. In Atala, the Beings are uncolored.
"A certain man who could not enter into the Absolute lives in Atala, due to the fact that he invented the two words: Good and Evil, instead of using the words Evolutionary and Devolutionary*. This man created a type of Karma, because humanity has been damaged with the two words: Good and Evil. In everything, we say, this is good or this is evil, so humanity is stagnant in all of that which attracts them to the studies of the internal values. This is why this holy man is waiting.
"We have to help people in order for them to exchange the two words Good and Evil for Evolutionary and Devolutionary.
"Within the bosom of the Absolute exists the Paramarthasattyas in great exaltation; they become exalted little by little until they pass beyond all possible comprehension." Samael Aun Weor
Devolutionary* Latin Devolvere: backwards evolution: DEGENERATION!
http://kalignosis.com/kabbalah/ain.php
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
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Originally Posted by Princerai
peace.. i appreciate your belief
but when god made the law.. he is all powerful and thus must not have to be bound to his own rules.. wouldnt that contradict God?
peace man
you are right G
0 = 2
its the way it goes
you definitely arent wrong
oh but wait
i guess the other way of looking at it
would be that god wouldnt break his own rules once he made them
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Originally Posted by Potent1
Challenge = name anything that can't be defined mathematically.
the fact that i could not have predicted that you were going to challenge me to name something that cant be defined mathematically
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
p = not p
hahaaaaaaaa
with two undefinable variables
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
it works tho.. :)
and its a well known logical/mathematical proof
http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Philosop...worksheet2.doc
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
i hear you i hear you
yo timbs - you didnt respond to my last post on the last page - maybe you didnt see it
you got an interesting spin on things
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
LOL
I did a whole fuckin thread on things that can't be defined mathematically....
Anyone who didn't see it look it up or look at Godell's shit on the unprovability of the axioms.
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Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?
Read a lot but not all post on here....but what about Fibbanaci (sp?) spirals? I know the discussion started out with triangles but isn't the spiral a much more consistent pattern w/in our universe from the shape of galaxies down to the shell of the nautilus? And isn't the mathematics consistent enough to say that they would still exist even if we weren't here to percieve it? How would you explain such consistency is such an admittedly chaotic existence?
