Why Are Americans So Close Minded When.....

Mr.MMA I see what you're saying.

Shut up you wanker.

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Originally Posted by Wu-tang Fan

What obstacles does the U.K. have that France doesn't? France is the king of rap in Europe but still doesn't get any reconigion. You are just agreeing with these clowns for all I know you could be American. And B.T.W., there is no such race as "Latin", they are white as well.

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I wasn't comparing the uk scene to france so I don't know where your point stems from. I actually think that france has a much harder time to convince people because they don't even rap in english. I do agree that french hip hop rules europe in terms of quality, but the uk is making it's own mark thats for sure.

Ok now for the rest of your rant.

1.born and raised in London bar 1 year in South America. I rep west and south west london.

2.You don't know shit about latin people so before you write something stupid, I advise you do some research first. Latins are a mixed race, thats basically all im giving you...google the rest.

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Originally Posted by Gawd

Thank you Jasper....those Lizards are dope as shite
west coast

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Oh my days, a thread within a thread.

Bring back Ed

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Originally Posted by TAURO, DA GRIM LATIN

2.You don't know shit about latin people so before you write something stupid, I advise you do some research first. Latins are a mixed race, thats basically all im giving you...google the rest.

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Nooo, Latin is just what Spanish immigrants call themelves because they feel left out of the racial nonsense and that is so prevealent in America and couldn't claim Irish. Also, they are white!!!

how can i like something when i dont understand what their saying...

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Originally Posted by tekunique

americans are close minded with hip hop comin out in other parts of the states...lol let alone oversees...... especially NYC.. when you from the place that started it all, its kinda hard to accept that its relevant... of course this is a based term. you have no right to judge without givnin it a shot.

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Originally Posted by P-Noid Brown

America is afraid of different, they are affraid of change... their emotions are cowardly devine.... point blank.. they need to open their hearts and minds in unison as one to develop that 3rd eye.

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EXACTLY YOU BOTH ARE RIGHT AND PLUS TO ADD TO IT AMERICAN HIP HOP IS WHOLE EXCEPTED BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL MORE PEOPLE WHO LIKE ROCK BUT HIP HOP REACHES ACROSS MORE CULTURAL BOUNDS BECAUSE YOU CAN ADAPT IT TO YOUR AREA YOU LIVE IN LIKE DJ TOMEKK (FRENCH DJ) HE'S DOPE HE HAD SOME WU ON HIS ALBUMS LIKE GZA, PRODICAL SUNN AND OTHERS FROM THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY SO HIP HOP IS NOT DEAD ITS JUST NEEDS A UPLIFT IN THE US BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE EUROPEAN NATIONS

check out this youtube vid http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MOzqh2Cdw

its something Ghostface went to Holland for

Beats by a Dutch producer named 'Kubus'
Lyrics by 'Ghostface Killah, Trife & Wigs'

beats and lyrics made on the spot, in some sort of studio in Amsterdam with 200/300 visitors or something

Why the fuck do people differentiate between 'races' in hip-hop? If you're dope you're dope, it isn't an "American" thing anymore... which a lot of them have troubles understanding.

I don't know that much UK hip-hop, but Dizzee Rascal got a shitload of exposure for Boy In Da Corner, and I fuckin loved that album. Could barely understand him at first, but the beats were hot and I eventually got it. Heard a Croatian MC who was pretty tight, did a track with Masta Ace (Ace raped it, but the dude was nice enough). A French MC was on the first Jazzmataz. Fuck, an Aussie won the Scribble Jam beating The Saurus and Iron Solomon.. Hip-hop's global.

I've never heard European hip hop.

Not all Americans are closed minded about hip hop.. Europeans are closed minded about Americans if your makin ignorant generalizations about them..

Ive been to Europe several times and I can appreciate the hip hop scene, I was surprised how big the culture is there.. Honestly tho, like mentioned before, I never really got into it because of the language barrier or accent..
Europe aint much different than America when i comes to music in my experiences.. There are the same bs trends and commercial music, just different styles and outlets just like US..

America has enough options and alternatives in hip hop, there is no need to branch overseas for me..

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Originally Posted by Mr.MMA

same with Canadian rappers. There is tons of talent out here now, but no recognition.

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I think Dead Eyez is tight.

Oh, and Kardinal Official

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Originally Posted by Wu-tang Fan

Nooo, Latin is just what Spanish immigrants call themelves because they feel left out of the racial nonsense and that is so prevealent in America and couldn't claim Irish. Also, they are white!!!

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every where I turn this cat's acting like a historical know-it-all, your position is one of ignorance, obviously you're not familiar with what went down when the Spaniards arrived in the new world. two eyes, two ears, one mouth, read up and listen to what others have to say, and until you know better, please shut the fuck up.

If I knew the language, I'd probaly appreciate the hip-hop more. From my point of view, only speaking English, I can't understand what they say or what their lyrics mean so I only get to judge these European hip-hop artists by the beat.

ha, I was thinking about making a thread about this British rapper Eman

http://www.myspace.com/laststreetpoet

and I normally don't like british rappers

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Originally Posted by TAURO, DA GRIM LATIN

It comes to european hip hop?

I don't mean to make such a general statement and I know that there are a few people here that do check it out but why are the majority so unwilling to give it a chance?

For example when a thread opens up talking about some good uk hip hop, it's always the same people that post, alot of the americans here just tend to ignore the thread altogether.

I love hip hop in all it's cultural diversion and I know that there are people here that feel the same but all I want to do is understand why they don't give it a chance, if someone ups a track or a link to a vid on you tube they should post a comment wheather it's a positive or negative, at least give it a chance.


I will give the americans here the opportunity to give there opinions on a track so here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SOQK...elated&search=
Arms Length - Metropolotics

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I like that track

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Originally Posted by P-Noid Brown

America is afraid of different, they are affraid of change... their emotions are cowardly devine.... point blank.. they need to open their hearts and minds in unison as one to develop that 3rd eye.

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Are you serious or just stupid? I'm serious. I wanna know. Because that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Roll Deep is hot.

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Originally Posted by TAURO, DA GRIM LATIN

You know what the problem I think Bedlam, Americans have been fed too much british romantic comedies and Austin Powers, this shit needs to change, im from london and I can tell you now that it is a city with a lot of poverty and crime, all that hugh grant business is bullshit, there are ghettos here in every corner of the city, alot of mc's that spit truly come from these deprived areas. I think it's the image you get when you hear us rap more than anything else, thats what bothers you really.

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Real talk right here. I think this post hits the nail right on the head. It's the image of Uk combined with the accents that throw everything off. This can be said for just about any Non American hip hop. It's the way other countries are portrayed in the media. Poverty is a world wide problem, it's not something exclusive to America. UK is grimey, Canada is grimey, Australia is grimey. ANd I gotta admit, even though I KNOW that there are parts of the uk that are hard, whenever I think Britain, I think of doylies and tea parties. So when I hear some cat from the Uk spittin about gats and drive by's, it just seems corny to me, even though I know they could very well be spittin some real shit they live about. It's just the way countries are portrayed that sort of ruins everything.

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Originally Posted by Polocash7

I like that track

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Thanks for the feedback, you would be surprised how few actually bothered to give feedback, the ones that did give an opinion all seemed to like this joint.

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Originally Posted by LiquidWordz

Real talk right here. I think this post hits the nail right on the head. It's the image of Uk combined with the accents that throw everything off. This can be said for just about any Non American hip hop. It's the way other countries are portrayed in the media. Poverty is a world wide problem, it's not something exclusive to America. UK is grimey, Canada is grimey, Australia is grimey. ANd I gotta admit, even though I KNOW that there are parts of the uk that are hard, whenever I think Britain, I think of doylies and tea parties. So when I hear some cat from the Uk spittin about gats and drive by's, it just seems corny to me, even though I know they could very well be spittin some real shit they live about. It's just the way countries are portrayed that sort of ruins everything.

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Thats what I was saying, exactly.

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

also europeans don't understand the concept of corny ass niggas

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You r dead wrong! Whether a Whigga or a Nigga, if its corny, true hip hop headz can dig it!

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Originally Posted by SaqurakiHanamichi

how can i like something when i dont understand what their saying...

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The question should be, how can u NOT like this even if u dont understand it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfJNbvqfh9k
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I know that i dont understand french, but i love this shit!

Personally...Its the accent. The only uk rappers i favor are slick rick and Ollie Bates/Illustrate.

Americans dont even give rappers from places in the US that dont usually have rappers much of a chance. So if you arent from ATL, Houston, NY, VA, Philly, Chicago, Detroit or St.Louis youre going to have a hard time breaking in and even most of those cities only got like 1 or 2 rappers/groups recognized.

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Originally Posted by P-Noid Brown

America is afraid of different, they are affraid of change... their emotions are cowardly devine.... point blank.. they need to open their hearts and minds in unison as one to develop that 3rd eye.

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these americans ur talking about make the best rap every mc could die over there tomorrow and everyone would be like ???? who gives a fuck

the reason americans are so closed minded to euro hip hop is cuz we both have a different idea as to what hip hop is. generally speaking europeans believe that they are more enlightened than americans so they appreciate intelligent hip hop where as america is a capitalistic society so we like that wack shit that talks about money, cars and jewelry. it really sucks to be looked at that way by other countrys but it's the truth. but hey at least we do have dope shit like wu tang, jedi mind tricks, imortal technique etc,.

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Originally Posted by ckretwon

the reason americans are so closed minded to euro hip hop is cuz we both have a different idea as to what hip hop is. generally speaking europeans believe that they are more enlightened than americans so they appreciate intelligent hip hop where as america is a capitalistic society so we like that wack shit that talks about money, cars and jewelry. it really sucks to be looked at that way by other countrys but it's the truth. but hey at least we do have dope shit like wu tang, jedi mind tricks, imortal technique etc,.

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this might be a news flash but the whole fucking world is a capitalistic society. CREAM is true for the entire world these days. Sounds like you talking about hip-pop anyways. Real hip-hop is alive n' well here in america it just don't get the shine it should due mainly to corperate dollars doing what they do, payola n' all that other shit. My guess is that those corperate pigeons exist in every country.

i don't know a lot about european hip hop but i do know that art reflects ones view upon society. now, what do they talk about in euro hip hop? and what do they talk bout in american hip hop?

American hip-hop itself is so broad in spectum, to generalize is pointless. What I'm saying though is that there's plently of real hip-hop out there talking about real issues right now, it just doesn't get the shine it should due to corperate machines intent on dumbing everything down.

if your lookin for particular examples, the new Pharoahe Monch is talking about struggle, redemption, the negatives of gun violence, relationships from where they start to how bad they can end up, and finishes off with revolution.

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Originally Posted by Visions Unseen

this might be a news flash but the whole fucking world is a capitalistic society. CREAM is true for the entire world these days. Sounds like you talking about hip-pop anyways. Real hip-hop is alive n' well here in america it just don't get the shine it should due mainly to corperate dollars doing what they do, payola n' all that other shit. My guess is that those corperate pigeons exist in every country.

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This is true, in the uk the music of choice is grime, we have a channel here called channel U which along with american urban music also strongly promotes british urban music. The vids by these uk artists are just as bad as any of 50 Cent's and all those southern rappers shit. It's all the same, I would be lying if I said the uk appreciated real hip hop more because even though the genuine shit is popular to some degree and does do well, that dumb abc shit does 5 times better.

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Originally Posted by TAURO, DA GRIM LATIN

This is true, in the uk the music of choice is grime, we have a channel here called channel U which along with american urban music also strongly promotes british urban music. The vids by these uk artists are just as bad as any of 50 Cent's and all those southern rappers shit. It's all the same, I would be lying if I said the uk appreciated real hip hop more because even though the genuine shit is popular to some degree and does do well, that dumb abc shit does 5 times better.

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word, that elements of easily digestable music is made for mass consumption just like fast food burgers.

no real seasoning or flare, not really good for you at all, but its quick and its cheap.

if people really looked at what they were consuming they wouldn't touch that shit. I see the music as being the same way. The less they say, the less substance they put into the music the greater the chance people will like it. At that point all a song has to do is be catchy.

Notice how crunk & other club music chants some gibberish incessantly?

It's all just to drill it in your head.

......this is why.....this is why....this is why I'm hot :r

Ha ha......word.

Europeans live the shit man. For an example.. the dutch hiphop scene goes way back. It all started in the U.S of course, but it didn't take long before it flew over.. Some of you act like europe started doing this shit yesterday or something. Dig it or not, we have the right to love hiphop too. We shouldn't even be thinking like this, - hiphop is peace love and unity.. come on now.

hip hop is a broad spectrum but for the most part the shit that sells or the shit that is popular says a lot about that society.

as a whole yeah, but the individual parts? not really, corperate america and pop music don't say much of anything about Austin, Texas nawmean?

I guess its all about where you're at. I feel like we're on a whole other level here but this is a very musical city.

Never touched this thread in a while....

Americans don't need to go elsewhere for entertainment...they got more than they need in their own backyard.

I wouldn't find myself trying to find and listen to France hip-hop just for the sake of looking for something new and different. Although some of us have listened to an obscene amount of other stuff, sometimes there are still limits to what we will choose to listen to. If I happen to browse into it and I like it maybe I would think different. And I'm one of those people that tries to collect hip-hop from many different regions.

The farthest I have gone was finding a guide to Brazilian hip-hop compilation album in my school's bookstore on sale. I guess some irony to it is it was made in the U.K.

On the other hand I think its more important to support your local artists first before even thinking about looking into another continent. In Toronto its not done enough..I should be upping my local mixtape game. But I must say that K-Os' last 2 albums are certified platinum in Canada....I could care less how he sells in the U.S.

Depending how much hip-hop you listen to should determine how far away the scene is (gradually expanding outward) so its your urban center first, then the bigger region, nation, continent then overseas. Thats the priority if you want to support hip-hop. Most of us aren't ready to go across the ocean. I guess I cam call this a hip-hop epicenter theory.

... It comes to european hip hop?

1. People relate to what they know, or what interests them. Americans like America.
2. Hip Hop started in America.
3. The best MC ... Method Man ... is from America.

There it is. :)

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Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG

Never touched this thread in a while....

Americans don't need to go elsewhere for entertainment...they got more than they need in their own backyard.

I wouldn't find myself trying to find and listen to France hip-hop just for the sake of looking for something new and different. Although some of us have listened to an obscene amount of other stuff, sometimes there are still limits to what we will choose to listen to. If I happen to browse into it and I like it maybe I would think different. And I'm one of those people that tries to collect hip-hop from many different regions.

The farthest I have gone was finding a guide to Brazilian hip-hop compilation album in my school's bookstore on sale. I guess some irony to it is it was made in the U.K.

On the other hand I think its more important to support your local artists first before even thinking about looking into another continent. In Toronto its not done enough..I should be upping my local mixtape game. But I must say that K-Os' last 2 albums are certified platinum in Canada....I could care less how he sells in the U.S.

Depending how much hip-hop you listen to should determine how far away the scene is (gradually expanding outward) so its your urban center first, then the bigger region, nation, continent then overseas. Thats the priority if you want to support hip-hop. Most of us aren't ready to go across the ocean. I guess I cam call this a hip-hop epicenter theory.

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Thats a very well thought out answer and probably the best given so far.

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Originally Posted by rubyspirit

... It comes to european hip hop?

1. People relate to what they know, or what interests them. Americans like America.
2. Hip Hop started in America.
3. The best MC ... Method Man ... is from America.

There it is. :)

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Ruby are you really this stupid? or is it by accident?......how about you stop sucking Meth's dick for one minute and actually give a proper response. :mmmyah:

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Originally Posted by rubyspirit

... It comes to european hip hop?

1. People relate to what they know, or what interests them. Americans like America.
2. Hip Hop started in America.
3. The best MC ... Method Man ... is from America.

There it is. :)

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M-E-T-H-O-D Stan

^^ Ignore the two dickheads above.