Is Immortal Technique a douche?

This thread is getting to the point of being stupid. I have nothing against anyone here but why are people full of such bullshit e.g. Nigerians are very well of in the US. Who gives a fuck if they are cuz as a proportion, blacks fall right into the lower bound in society in terms of earning, wealth or whatever bullshit word people use to describe this concept. It really is as simple as that. Its a plain and simple fact so saying nigerians are well of means nothing. Saying US doesn't support terrorism means nothing - The US funded the Taliban - thats a FACT. There is prpoganda cuz the actual reports of any investigation are rarely released, released are only parts - thats a FACT. Freedom of speach does not exist cuz people can't speak there mind without zero consequences - thats a FACT.

So stop dodging the real issue and running around in circles with hand picked facts taken out of context. This thread started fromI.M. comments on US government - well I think that they are indeed founded. Even if something he said might be wrong he is within his rights to search for what he believes in without having to worry about consequences.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts

This thread is getting to the point of being stupid. I have nothing against anyone here but why are people full of such bullshit e.g. Nigerians are very well of in the US. Who gives a fuck if they are cuz as a proportion, blacks fall right into the lower bound in society in terms of earning, wealth or whatever bullshit word people use to describe this concept. It really is as simple as that. Its a plain and simple fact so saying nigerians are well of means nothing. Saying US doesn't support terrorism means nothing - The US funded the Taliban - thats a FACT. There is prpoganda cuz the actual reports of any investigation are rarely released, released are only parts - thats a FACT. Freedom of speach does not exist cuz people can't speak there mind without zero consequences - thats a FACT.

So stop dodging the real issue and running around in circles with hand picked facts taken out of context. This thread started fromI.M. comments on US government - well I think that they are indeed founded. Even if something he said might be wrong he is within his rights to search for what he believes in without having to worry about consequences.

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.. on the topic of freedom of speech.. you just said that post right there and I don't think your head is getting chopped off right now?

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Originally Posted by manhattanknight77

lol man the power of American propaganda is more powerful than i thought. Simply put, America exploits. Since the creation of this country, the powers that be have used poor people and immigrants to build this country. For example, the African slaves where used to cultivate cotton and forced upon with hard labor. The immigrant Chinese built the railroads in the turn of the century. You say yes where free, but in reality that word is used so out of context. We maybe have been freed from our shackles but the worst slavery is mental slavery. And when a person speaks upon it, he/ she is considered a threat and a terrorist. Shaolin Assassin you are a very good exmaple of that! You think like 85% of all Americans that you are free and very fortunate to live in this country. That your commander in chief, The President , is looking out for you as an AMerican citizen. In order to be elected president the elective votes must decide. Do you know who are the elective votes??? You remind me of those angry politicions who hear a rap cd and decide its lyrics and content are quote on quote to graphic and violent for people(their children in the suburbs )to hear. In 200 hundred plus years the statistics pretty much remain the same. We are still the higher pervcentile that is incarserated. We are still the minority. We still lag behind economically. We still make up a large of percentage of those living in poverty. We are still being exploited by corporate America. Sure you will ask me , then why dont you move if you dont like this country. My answer to you is that no matter where i go The US has influenced the whole world. Just like what the've done to IraQ. You really have no idea what is truley going on behind closed doors in this country, none what so ever. The statements that you have made are soley based on American media on other countries. THis American media of ours is controlled by coporate juggernaut conglomerates who use propaganda and misguidance to decieve its people. Like the fact that they always paint the President as a loving father and careing leader. Why is it they dont discuss how he and the BIn Laden family have done business for years . And how we have the greatest technology in the world and great intelligence organizations such as the CIA and FBI yet we cant catch a man who is hiding in a mountain?? The answer is he is a CIA operative who is being used by the CIA for their agenda. Man you are truley blind. Its because of people like yourself that we will always have the dumb def and blind. Do you research properly before you start shouting terroist, and long live America land of the free home of the brave, you John Wayne wanne be mothrefucker!!! Peace to All revolutionaries who arent scared to speak your minds like that pussy mental slaved 85'er Shaolin Assassin.

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-We had slaves 100 years ago, and Stalin killed more than hitler 60 years ago, but were worst.

-I don't know whats going on behind doors, but your part of congress and you do or what?

-on not catching Bin Laden, what has he done in the past 3 years?

-Im scared to speak my mind, yet I made this thread.. next time post a fact instead of your bullshit opinions, Ive seen 1 person actually post facts back at me, and I countered. Come out your shell

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Originally Posted by AK510

nicely put, shaolinassassin, please, die, thanks

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haha short but precise

hahaha

shaolin assassin your claiming nobdoy is dropping fact. So what your telling em your dropping facts or feeding us the same swhit amercian media feeds us. Cuz tahts all thats coming out of ur mouth you little 17 year old wanna be having knowldege bitch. Like my man told your little wet behind the ears faggot ass, if you dont like Immortal Technique dont listen to his stuff. Obviously your a loser cuz you do listen to his stuff but have to come to a forum to discuss it. i think you have too much time on your hands. A guy your age should be chasing females not debates online. And your laim little comeback just keeps repeating itself on and on. That there shows me how much knowledge you really have and anyone really trying to debate this heavy issue with someone like you is just completely waisting their time. Go get a life you little faggot computer geek.

By the way dumbass makes some sense before you type something, fool
read this,

-I don't know whats going on behind doors, but your part of congress and you do or what?



what a young dumb fool, case closed.

K, it was stated "That I dont know any of the stuff going on behind doors". And I said that stating that they can't claim they do. And I restate myself over and over with the same facts and then your replys are "The election was rigged" "I dont have freedom of speech".. just bullshit. Im backing my stuff from stuff what is going on in history books, not from some opinion cause they think it is cool to live in a country where I can say "GW bush sucks" and not get their head chopped off so they hate the country. Please show me the reference you got that we dont have freedom of speech from. Cause last I know everybody whos opposed me still is alive.

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Originally Posted by manhattanknight77

By the way dumbass makes some sense before you type something, fool
read this,

-I don't know whats going on behind doors, but your part of congress and you do or what?



what a young dumb fool, case closed.

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I bet you felt stupid after rereading what I said. Just dont post cause you don't have the right to call anybody stupid now.

Im backing my stuff from stuff what is going on in history books



Just that statement alone tells me all i need to know about you. Man what a uncle tom. You try to have debates in every fucking thread. Dude, get a life seriously ur dick gets real hard when u hear the word debate i bet. Fucking loser!!!!!!!!!

As far as feeling stupid you still didnt make any sense there buddy. Your the kid who sits in the back of the classroom who always gets his ass kicked in lunchtime. they need to make a thread on how much of a real loser you are. Or just give us ur address so we can get on a line and ring ur little pencil neck. man now that would be some good shit right there. then take a picture of you all blue from lack of air and post it on the thread about u being a loser. now come on now, who wouldnt love that.

try watching 'bowling for columbine' or similar tapes like that cos they have some intreasting facts and are quite shocking

I didn't read this entire conversation, because it just got too bogged down with assumptions and misinformation, but I wanted to say that Immortal Technique is 1/4 black. peace.

Well this si just long wided if you dont like IT dont buy his cd's I dont like Dead Prez so I dont buy there cd's. That's a basic rule to live by as concerns msuic.

I got Immortal Technique's back 100%! he is at least 1/4 black maybe half black. I think he told me his mom was black or part black. Latinos have african in them anyway. Revolution now! Fuck the evil empire nah mean?

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^^^werd

This cat IllAssassin needs to listen to Technique's lyrics:

"I love where I live, but I hate the people in charge."

Using that as a reference basically disassembles this dude's arguments about Technique being a hypocrite regarding where he lives.

No hate.
PEACE

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Originally Posted by manhattanknight77

Im backing my stuff from stuff what is going on in history books



Just that statement alone tells me all i need to know about you. Man what a uncle tom. You try to have debates in every fucking thread. Dude, get a life seriously ur dick gets real hard when u hear the word debate i bet. Fucking loser!!!!!!!!!

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.. find a thread without the word "douche" in it in which I start a debate, just 1 thread

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Originally Posted by manhattanknight77

As far as feeling stupid you still didnt make any sense there buddy. Your the kid who sits in the back of the classroom who always gets his ass kicked in lunchtime. they need to make a thread on how much of a real loser you are. Or just give us ur address so we can get on a line and ring ur little pencil neck. man now that would be some good shit right there. then take a picture of you all blue from lack of air and post it on the thread about u being a loser. now come on now, who wouldnt love that.

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I never knew how well you knew me.

Anyways as the explanation since I have to break it down word for word.. he stated that I dont know what goes on behind closed doors with the government. And to put it simple, very simple for you, I said that he knows no more than me about the stuff the government hides from us. Now for the second time, go shoot yourself

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Originally Posted by Xtadas

This cat IllAssassin needs to listen to Technique's lyrics:

"I love where I live, but I hate the people in charge."

Using that as a reference basically disassembles this dude's arguments about Technique being a hypocrite regarding where he lives.

No hate.
PEACE

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good quote, you are completely correct. I just disagree with the fact that he acts like the US government is the worst thing thats ever been on earth, not arguing that he has the right to speak up against the government because he has any right because of freedom of speech. I just disagree how he praises countries that are much worst to the world, countries so bad that he would be beheaded if he said it about their government in their country like he is in the US.

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

.. on the topic of freedom of speech.. you just said that post right there and I don't think your head is getting chopped off right now?

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Ignorant shit. Those facts have been admitted by the government. People holding facts that the administartion don't want to get out will be in a completely different position.

Thats exactly my point, people love the U.S. and even if it wasn't as bad as other countries(which it is, a different evil) wouldnt you like to live in a country thats not bat at all. Take the rotten apple analogy and read it again. I got 6 rotten apples, 1 apples less rotten than the rest, its still unedible, I WANT A GOOD APPLE DAMMIT!

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Originally Posted by TeknicelStylez

Thats exactly my point, people love the U.S. and even if it wasn't as bad as other countries(which it is, a different evil) wouldnt you like to live in a country thats not bat at all. Take the rotten apple analogy and read it again. I got 6 rotten apples, 1 apples less rotten than the rest, its still unedible, I WANT A GOOD APPLE DAMMIT!

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its lees rotten then the others, point proven.

ThaShaolinAssassin vbmenu_register("postmenu_169291", true);
Ill Legion Nigga





go shoot myself huh, yup ur definately 17, case closed.

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

its lees rotten then the others, point proven.

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but its still rottin, point proven...

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

its lees rotten then the others, point proven.

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a different type of rotten... not necessarily less rotten... they are a slicker, more manipulative type rotten...

immortal technique's problem with the government relates to its manipulation of world events to suit itself... this would be fine, but the benefits reaped from these power plays doesn't trickle down into the lower socio-economic parts of society...

it's bad enough that they're hindering progress of other nations, but they're doing it to maintain (or even increase) the wealth of the already very well off...

he's just reminding them that not everyone is fooled by this 'good guy' image they arrogantly think can let them do whatever they want...

oh dear i forgot how people are able to have their own opinions

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

I respect him as the lyricist, he's by far the illest of our time (so far), this guys views get on my fucking nerves. I can't listen to his albums cause he shit sooooo off, and half of the time fucking retarded. Like in his booklet he give a shoutout to North Korea, Iran, Cuba, ect. and then talks about how there's no freedom in America? WTF this guy even give a shoutout to Iraq when they fucking test chemicals on thier own people. Like yo, Bush might have a fucking up soc. sec. plan but, that's fucking disgusting to kill your own people to test weapons used to kill another countries people. Then he's tripping on this communist shit when its like, faggot, if this country were communist you wouldn't have a fucking career. Then he has the FUCKING NERVE to say the only black people that are rich are a few "token blacks" that white people allowed to be rich in the public eye. Come the fuck on man, my parents are african immigrants that busted their asses and fucking suffered to be where they're at today but somehow it was white people that got my Dad his masters degree when he was still learning english. THE FAG'S NOT EVEN FUCKING BLACK. This dude has the nerve to BITCH and BITCH about the USA but the faggot hasn't made an attempt to move back to Peru and bitch about a government that really needs it. Then he glorifies Castro like he actually didn't fuck a whole country over, but if i were a refugee from that country that had to float here in the middle of the night on fucking pieces of wood tied together hoping i won't fucking die an minute while leaving my family back in one of the most repressive governments on the planet, then get to the US and hear this douche, I'd kill him. I'd seriously kill him. Immortal knows the reason he's living here instead of Iran, and needs to shut the fuck up cuase he's wasting his talent. Anyone agree.

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I think you just hear what you want to hear.

To the fool that started this thread: clearly you're a fucking idiot who believes too easily what the American mainstream (corporate owned and controlled) media says. They are fucking cheerleaders for the racist and evil foreign policies this country continually perpetrates on other countries. If you fail to see this, it's because you are either in denial (where you will forever remain even if Bush and Co. admit they are evil), or you only get your opinions from the corporate media and don't ever view it with skepticism. Go seek out some alternative media websites and learn something other than the bullshit you been spoon-fed. I'll even help you since you probly would fuck that up:

www.informationclearinghouse.info
www.counterpunch.org
www.presstv.com
www.ipsnews.net
www.blacklistednews.com
www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com

And countless other sites! Now if you go on these sites and want to disagree with everything you read because it goes against all that you've been taught and you can't fathom that everything you know is wrong, that's on you. You then, would be the type of person who can't discern things for themself until it's made abundantly clear to them, which by then it'd be too late for you.

^shut up fag.



American's Gov does some fucked up shit, but it will never equate Sudan's government.

and if Tech has a problem with bad government he should critizes Sudans as well, let alone the ones he praises, North Korea, USSR, ect.


look at this nigga posting websites lol

Obviously your dumbass gonna believe what your momma told you. Oh, and by the way, just cuz your old man got a masters degree don't mean you rich. You ain't rich in terms that Tech is talkin, stupid ass.

Anyway, if you don't like him or what he got to say, get off your ass and write a rhyme. Become a rapper and tell it like your convoluted ass thinks it is. Then diss Technique PLEASE!! I wanna see your African ass on Youtube catchin a beatdown from Tech!

HAHAHA!

I don't talk to Junior members unless im fornicatin with em...

...so you shouldn't talk anymore.....


......unless you wanna.....





http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...gzOrg/Mike.jpg

..you know....

im gonna be real with u ,


i left europe because of poverty , and i came to america to get money .

Do u know what happend? My family does not get discriminated here , My family works , here my family gets money here , I can go to school here and know i can do something after ...

now ask me , would i wanna go back to europe?


this is what i always say ,"the ones that complain are the ones that dont get money"


i like immortal technique , but i dont agree with his philosophy about USA , ITs obvious he has never lived in a 3rd world country cause if he did , he would suck on BUSH dick all day .And thank god that he is here.


real talk

not going to read all of this shit, but i hate immortal technique. he is fucking retarded. he watched that stupid video loose change and now it is his whole MO. fuck immortal technique, tlak to me when you get a flow. he thinks his albums are revolutionary but hes just a fucking tool

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

good quote, you are completely correct. I just disagree with the fact that he acts like the US government is the worst thing thats ever been on earth, not arguing that he has the right to speak up against the government because he has any right because of freedom of speech. I just disagree how he praises countries that are much worst to the world, countries so bad that he would be beheaded if he said it about their government in their country like he is in the US.

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How can you judge which country is worse than the other? If you take what we see in the news and the media, than every countries guilty. Japan:Rape of Nanking, Germany: The Holocaust, US: Setting off events that would lead to 9/11. (No, the government wasn't directly behind 9.11 that's bullshit, but their decisions would lead to it.) There is no better country than the other. Every countries guilty. Is Immortal Technique a douche for criticizing the US's government? Maybe so. But no more than you are for using your blind, isolated views as evidence when your only source of information is CNN and a handful of google searches.

The US Government is in my opinion though, corrupt as any motherfucker could be. I love the country and the people, but unless the countries got oil or some other resource the US could give half a shit as to what happens to the people.

dude does get his dick sucked by cats in this forum

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Originally Posted by 11th Chamber

dude does get his dick sucked by cats in this forum

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co-sign



hey uh....3 years later....we gonna drop it or what?

he lives here and has his freedom of speech
praises places he would get killed for sayin "fuck _____"
ppl can say "he has the freedom" "he has the right to live here" "why should he move"
aint no one sayin "move here tech"....they just sayin why he aint praising the very country that allows him to have these views and opinions and CDs!!!

the real enemy in USA is ignorance
and this includes all races
instead of talkin so much militant commie shit...he should uprise his latino ppl to continuing an education and having the best life possible
"oh yea....im lookin forward to my career and family life after going to an IT concert
this country will fuck me over if im having a decent income...maybe i should just run my mouth instead for a living"
hes a talented MC but damn he needs to relax with that shit

someone mentioned why he came to this country
im from Bolivia (peru neighbor) and i certainly didnt come to this country to run my mouth on how bad its politics are
if i wanted to....id go right ahead cuz i have the freedom to
but its shit like this that seriously affect the youth in this country
if u cross that border...ur here to work for the best life possible
USA aint saints...they might be white devils....watever the case may be
but i'd be damned if i say i didnt love my freedoms and oppurtunities
as naive as i may sound with this.....if it aint happenin to me or my family....ima keep working for that best life possible

If anybody in rap might be the anti christ right now ,its Immortal technique. I got his albums and I know the half. Dude is the kind of mf to get some power and go Hitler buuuuuuuuut I was watching the Hip_hop Honors this year and a very important person big-uppd Immortal Technique.

He is very absolute in his message and that isnt a good thing. there has to be more balance than that. his message is mad crazy and that one song about being with that dude billy and raped his mom is fucked up but one of the best pieces of rap since idk when.


WASNT THE MIDDLE PASSAGE SUPPOSED TO COME OUT LIKE A YEAR AGO???



...yeah

I kinda agree with what you sayin Inf, but at the same time a lot of people look up to him due to the fact that he is dead set in his views. There are so many people out there who say they stand for something and are so easily swayed in a different direction. But just like anyone tries to claim that everything he's sayin isn't 100% true, there's no reason to believe that they're not. The govenrment hides a lot more then anyone realises.

Plus, no doubt about that skit that Mumia Abu-Jamal spit about homeland and hip-hop is the realest thing I've heard on a CD in a long time.