Why is eating swine bad?

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Do you not agree that some things are harmful and are not for human consumption?

Why do you not agree that pig flesh which is harmful in many ways and is not fit for human consumption?

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Are you fucking stupid? How the fuck are you gonna try and even argue any more? First off, pork is not a fucking poison. Get that straight. You're backwards in all aspects of thought if you've convinced yourself otherwise.

Second, no...really, are you stupid? You can sit here and try to argue circles around nothing but bottom line is...you've already been proven wrong. And not only that, but you still cling to this small hope that maybe you'll say something tricky enough to fuck me up. But you won't, I'm smarter than you.

Third, the fucking dude has already said to agree to disagree and yet you pester these idiotic, esoterical respones like you're a fucking sage. You're not. You're some dude on an internet forum.

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Are you fucking stupid? How the fuck are you gonna try and even argue any more? First off, pork is not a fucking poison. Get that straight. You're backwards in all aspects of thought if you've convinced yourself otherwise.

Second, no...really, are you stupid? You can sit here and try to argue circles around nothing but bottom line is...you've already been proven wrong. And not only that, but you still cling to this small hope that maybe you'll say something tricky enough to fuck me up. But you won't, I'm smarter than you.

Third, the fucking dude has already said to agree to disagree and yet you pester these idiotic, esoterical respones like you're a fucking sage. You're not. You're some dude on an internet forum.

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Where in my post did I say pork is poison? Please show me that quote.

You use insults. Perhaps it's because your argument alone is not strong enough to defeat mine.

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Where in my post did I say pork is poison? Please show me that quote.

You use insults. Perhaps it's because your argument alone is not strong enough to defeat mine.

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Moderation in all things, even poisonous things?

On another note, do you apply the "moderation in all things" to all aspects of life?

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

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The poisonous things was refering to the Chinese putting poisons on their red meat to make it more red.

Where did I use the word poison for pork?

Please show me if you could.

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

The poisonous things was refering to the Chinese putting poisons on their red meat to make it more red.

Where did I use the word poison for pork?

Please show me if you could.

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You said we shouldn't use moderation with "poisonous" things and said we shouldn't use it for pork so you kinda implied it.

But your not the one who directly called it poison someone else did.

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Originally Posted by x-uknown

Is it not common sense that pig meat is unhealthy for human consumption?

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You may not have used the exact term poison but you did.

Everybody that's read this far knows you're wrong. I use insults because your style of back-peddling and using petty wording tricks to confuse or deter somebody from sticking with it enough is disgusting to me.

This is a discussion, not a game of chess. You can't "beat" somebody into agreeing. Go outside.

This thread is dead. Find another to spout your rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

You may not have used the exact term poison but you did.

Everybody that's read this far knows you're wrong. I use insults because your style of back-peddling and using petty wording tricks to confuse or deter somebody from sticking with it enough is disgusting to me.

This is a discussion, not a game of chess. You can't "beat" somebody into agreeing. Go outside.

This thread is dead. Find another to spout your rhetoric.

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HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Funny how some of you i argue with view my style as using word tricks. I don't see it that way. I just state things the way I see it.

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

You said we shouldn't use moderation with "poisonous" things and said we shouldn't use it for pork so you kinda implied it.

But your not the one who directly called it poison someone else did.

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Thank you.

That's better.

The swine eaters are getting hostile.

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Originally Posted by Charles Barry

The swine eaters are getting hostile.

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Plural?

I don't see anyone else getting hostile....

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

^^^ You really think I would let a few people on an internet forum affect my diet?

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allot of peoples diet have been affected by people on an internet forum - if you learn something of value on the internet, would you not apply it to your life and walk ?

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

Subconscious, are you suggesting that eating a parasitic, fattening, filthy piece of pork in moderation is fine?

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Moderation..

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ST - is the answer yes ?

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Originally Posted by x-unknown

The "moderation in all things" concept is wrong to me. You would not try out homosexuality would you?

All things do not need to be done in moderation. Some things are not to be done at all and are to be avoided including the consumption of pork by humans.

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

Did you just interpret what I said to be "I apply it to all aspects of life" instead of "I apply it to some other aspects"?

I think you did...

And I think i could eat pork because well if it didn't kill me the 1st time I ate it then it becomes clear to me that I could have it in moderation if i want to.

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allot of people got shot for the first time and did not die - should they get shot in moderation ?

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

You may not have used the exact term poison but you did.

Everybody that's read this far knows you're wrong. I use insults because your style of back-peddling and using petty wording tricks to confuse or deter somebody from sticking with it enough is disgusting to me.

This is a discussion, not a game of chess. You can't "beat" somebody into agreeing. Go outside.

This thread is dead. Find another to spout your rhetoric.

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i said that pork is poison - cause that's what it is

relax man - do you suffer from hyper tension ?

the consumption of pork is known to cause this

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Originally Posted by Charles Barry

The swine eaters are getting hostile.

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lol - cause the consumption of pork is known to cause this

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

" parasitic, fattening", is completely and utterly untrue.

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ok - lets say that pork is not parasitic - are you standing by your words in saying that pork is not fattening ?

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Are you fucking stupid? How the fuck are you gonna try and even argue any more? First off, pork is not a fucking poison.

Second, no...really, are you stupid?

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why are you so angry and frustrated ?
could it be due to your diet of high blood pressure causing swine sandwiches ?

eating pork doesn't aid in one having high blood pressure huh

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

You can sit here and try to argue circles around nothing but bottom line is...you've already been proven wrong.

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wrong - we have not been proven wrong - its a fact that we have not been proven wrong

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

you pester these idiotic, esoterical respones like you're a fucking sage. You're not. You're some dude on an internet forum.

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the pig is a mean animal
are you not some dude on an internet forum ?

should we listen and learn from the cook ?

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

allot of peoples diet have been affected by people on an internet forum - if you learn something of value on the internet, would you not apply it to your life and walk ?


ST - is the answer yes ?


allot of people got shot for the first time and did not die - should they get shot in moderation ?

i said that pork is poison - cause that's what it is

relax man - do you suffer from hyper tension ?

the consumption of pork is known to cause this

lol - cause the consumption of pork is known to cause this



ok - lets say that pork is not parasitic - are you standing by your words in saying that pork is not fattening ?



why are you so angry and frustrated ?
could it be due to your diet of high blood pressure causing swine sandwiches ?

eating pork doesn't aid in one having high blood pressure huh


wrong - we have not been proven wrong - its a fact that we have not been proven wrong





the pig is a mean animal
are you not some dude on an internet forum ?

should we listen and learn from the cook ?

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I thought we were done? Oh well

Anyways I knew pork was bad for your health if you ate it enough before this.

Moderation isn't to be applied for everything like I said.

And I don't think I got mad because you questioned my diet, I'm a very peaceful person.

Ya think this is over now? It's getting boring.

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Originally Posted by SubConsciousThoughts

I thought we were done? Oh well

Anyways I knew pork was bad for your health if you ate it enough before this.

Moderation isn't to be applied for everything like I said.

And I don't think I got mad because you questioned my diet, I'm a very peaceful person.

Ya think this is over now? It's getting boring.

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you are done - well done lol

you go on about moderation, we asked a question -

eating filth in moderation is ok ?

i noticed that you didn't get angry and that you were respectful and peaceful the whole time - you are not a big swine eater, you don't eat it all the time - its effects are small in you

its over when you stop posting - we are not forcing you to reply

Peace man

Well I don't know if pig is poison, but I love my bacon too much to stop. And I still don't see why I should stop, I can see clear reasons to stop drinking and smoking, but not to stop eating pig.
And I got no hyper-tension.

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

Well I don't know if pig is poison, but I love my bacon too much to stop. And I still don't see why I should stop, I can see clear reasons to stop drinking and smoking, but not to stop eating pig.
And I got no hyper-tension.

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http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15021



pork is salty even when you don't season it with salt


reason is - because the pig has little to no sweat glands and cannot get rid of the toxins in its system - this is why it rolls around in the mud - to cool itself off - we all know what sweat taste like - if you played a hard game of ball - or ran track and sweated some of it got in your mouth -


that worm you mentioned is very real - its called the trichina worm -











Definition of Trichina spiralis

Trichina spiralis: is a parasitic worm that lives in the intestines and causes a serious illness known as trichinosis.

The eggs usually enter the body via raw or undercooked pork, sausage or bear meat. In the intestines, the eggs hatch, mature, and migrate to other parts of the body through the bloodstream and the lymphatic system.

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Originally Posted by Sunny Winters

said that pork is poison - cause that's what it is

relax man - do you suffer from hyper tension ?

the consumption of pork is known to cause this

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Actually nah, I personally don't eat a lot of pork. I'm more a steak kind of guy. I just find you and what you're trying to state as fact completely ridiculous.

Let me outline how you're wrong, one more time.

First, pig is not poisonous. Consuming ANY raw meat can be harmful to you. That is a fact which you cannot dispute. I'm pretty sure science has my back on this one.

Second, pork is not more fattening than other meats. In fact, pork (with the fat trimmed) is leaner than a comparable cut of meat from other domesticated animals. Again, look it up.

Third, you assume things. Now, when trying to make a point...making assumptions like yours (ie; I'm a pork eater so that's what I think you're stupid) will sometimes help your point. The only problem is, that when you try that against somebody who actually does know more about the cooking and preparation and proper food safety measures (health codes, baby)...it doesn't work.

Sunny Winters, you are a fool. You always will be a fool. You have let others dictate to you untruths about something and you, following, are trying to do the same.

You have absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS for anything you are saying. I have already stated the hows and the whys.

I sincerely encourage you to look this stuff up for yourself before trying to convince me otherwise.

Now, let me guess...you're going to quote me and answer with a question that's loosely based on me eating too much pork. Listen, I know your tricks...you will not win this that way.

I dare you to provide me with sufficient and credible evidence to contradict me on these three main points;

1. Pork is not poisonous
2. Cooking pork to at least 140-145 degrees renders the meat safe for consumption
3. That when a cut of pork that is properly trimmed is leaner than the same style cut of beef

Prove me wrong and I dunno...I'll give you rep or whatever it is you guys crave around here.

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15021



pork is salty even when you don't season it with salt


reason is - because the pig has little to no sweat glands and cannot get rid of the toxins in its system - this is why it rolls around in the mud - to cool itself off - we all know what sweat taste like - if you played a hard game of ball - or ran track and sweated some of it got in your mouth -


that worm you mentioned is very real - its called the trichina worm -











Definition of Trichina spiralis

Trichina spiralis: is a parasitic worm that lives in the intestines and causes a serious illness known as trichinosis.

The eggs usually enter the body via raw or undercooked pork, sausage or bear meat. In the intestines, the eggs hatch, mature, and migrate to other parts of the body through the bloodstream and the lymphatic system.

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But if its cooked enough it can't be dangerous, I mean I never got sick eating pork, Im careful never to eat undercooked pork, cause I know that'll get you sick.
Dogs roll around in mud too.
Anyway, if it truly is poison, I don't know if I could bring myself to stop eating ham, bacon and sausage unless if it really got me sick. I mean, why shouldn't I eat poison, if its good and it has no effect on me?

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Actually nah, I personally don't eat a lot of pork. I'm more a steak kind of guy. I just find you and what you're trying to state as fact completely ridiculous.

Let me outline how you're wrong, one more time.

First, pig is not poisonous. Consuming ANY raw meat can be harmful to you. That is a fact which you cannot dispute. I'm pretty sure science has my back on this one.

Second, pork is not more fattening than other meats. In fact, pork (with the fat trimmed) is leaner than a comparable cut of meat from other domesticated animals. Again, look it up.

Third, you assume things. Now, when trying to make a point...making assumptions like yours (ie; I'm a pork eater so that's what I think you're stupid) will sometimes help your point. The only problem is, that when you try that against somebody who actually does know more about the cooking and preparation and proper food safety measures (health codes, baby)...it doesn't work.

Sunny Winters, you are a fool. You always will be a fool. You have let others dictate to you untruths about something and you, following, are trying to do the same.

You have absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS for anything you are saying. I have already stated the hows and the whys.

I sincerely encourage you to look this stuff up for yourself before trying to convince me otherwise.

Now, let me guess...you're going to quote me and answer with a question that's loosely based on me eating too much pork. Listen, I know your tricks...you will not win this that way.

I dare you to provide me with sufficient and credible evidence to contradict me on these three main points;

1. Pork is not poisonous
2. Cooking pork to at least 140-145 degrees renders the meat safe for consumption
3. That when a cut of pork that is properly trimmed is leaner than the same style cut of beef

Prove me wrong and I dunno...I'll give you rep or whatever it is you guys crave around here.

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lol - you are 1000% Wrong about everything you are saying

i don't have to prove you wrong, you did that already when you started
replying here

you have not provided any proof to refute what we are saying -

the "i'm a cook, i know what i'm talking about" stance isn't gonna work here



again - try this out



stop eating pork and its byproducts for 4 months, then on the 5th month go and have you a thick juicy pork chop - I Dare You - lol



and - if you don't start showing some respect to me and others, your words here will be deleted


Peace to you on your journey

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

But if its cooked enough it can't be dangerous,

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i gave you a link to another thread that explains to us what we need to know
concerning this

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

I mean I never got sick eating pork, Im careful never to eat undercooked pork, cause I know that'll get you sick.

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how do you know you never got sick eating pork ?

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

Dogs roll around in mud too.

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i wouldn't eat dog either

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

Anyway, if it truly is poison, I don't know if I could bring myself to stop eating ham, bacon and sausage unless if it really got me sick. I mean, why shouldn't I eat poison, if its good and it has no effect on me?

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we make the choices we feel are best for us - sometimes we take risk -

reread what you wrote and think about it

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

again - try this out



stop eating pork and its byproducts for 4 months, then on the 5th month go and have you a thick juicy pork chop - I Dare You - lol

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I might try that.

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

I might try that.

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please do


do you know what pork byproducts are though ?

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

lol - you are 1000% Wrong about everything you are saying

i don't have to prove you wrong, you did that already when you started
replying here

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actually he has a point there. i mean, if you have religious reasons for not eating pork, you should hang on to it. but for a person not belonging to one of these religions, there aren't acutally any scientific justified reasons for not eating properly prepared pork.

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

please do


do you know what pork byproducts are though ?

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Yeah stuff with gelatin, candies, I'll be careful, but I don't know know when Im gon do it though cause I eat with my family and everything so I don't really choose what I eat, but that really sound like a good experience, I'll definitely try it.

Alright, for your viewing pleasure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork

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Pork with its fat trimmed is leaner than most domesticated animals. Otherwise, it is high in cholesterol and saturated fat, and excessive consumption can lead to gallstones and obesity

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I was half right on that one, I'll concede you that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis

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Cooking meat products to an internal temperature of 165 °F (74 °C) for a minimum of 15 seconds.
Cooking pork to a uniform internal temperature of at least 144 °F (62.2 °C), per USDA Title 9 section 318.10. It is prudent to use a margin of error to allow for variation in internal temperature and error in the thermometer.
Freezing pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 °F (−15 °C) or three days at −4 °F (−20 °C) kills larval worms.

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Wait...what did I already tell you? Oh, yeah...the same shit. I guess you just need to see things in pretty bullet points.

You should start eating pork. I mean, by your logic...they're smart animals so eating it will also make you smart right? I mean, that follows your logic pretty well, so maybe that might help.

Seriously, everbody here that is taking this guy seriously needs to look at the facts before radically altering you diet. Again, everything in moderation is a fairly safe philosophy.

i love bacon on anything

people dont eat pork bc that is all a by-product of old writings that basically had to do with preventing disease and spoiling of meat. there have been epidemics (like the one now) among swine populations, so the advice old texts such as the bible give abou the pigs being unclean makes perfect sens...as PRACTICAL ADVICE when youre running around the desert, not as some kind of spiritual bs about pigs. almost all laws credited to god were done so to give a moral authority. and laws are also created when the need arises. lots of people were getting sick eating pork in the desert so moses through inspiration/whatever you want to believe, claimed god said it was bad to eat. the egyptians didnt eat pork as well, but from all CREDIBLE anthropological sources, this was due to the fact that they (like many others) were unable to domesticate it, along with other species such as the ibex

this was primarily due to the fact that pigs require an enourmous amount of feed,but the egyptians didnt need to bother with it, and were eating healthier. lots of birds and fowl

so in short, anytime you eat an animal, from sushi to a pork chop, there is some risk of something, heck even plants. but most people, myself included, dont really give a shit, bc bacon tastes so good that you would have to hate yourself not to eat it. or hate life, have a restrictive view on spitiuality

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Originally Posted by Luza

actually he has a point there. i mean, if you have religious reasons for not eating pork, you should hang on to it. but for a person not belonging to one of these religions, there aren't acutally any scientific justified reasons for not eating properly prepared pork.

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are yall actually reading whats being posted ?


i said, "i'm not religious at all"

did yall not see the link i posted to the other thread ?

lol - john from the enemy boards was right

Are you reading what's posted here? Every time I post something that completely disproves what you're trying to state as fact, you avoid it.

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Alright, for your viewing pleasure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork

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Pork with its fat trimmed is leaner than most domesticated animals. Otherwise, it is high in cholesterol and saturated fat, and excessive consumption can lead to gallstones and obesity
I was half right on that one, I'll concede you that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis

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Cooking meat products to an internal temperature of 165 °F (74 °C) for a minimum of 15 seconds.
Cooking pork to a uniform internal temperature of at least 144 °F (62.2 °C), per USDA Title 9 section 318.10. It is prudent to use a margin of error to allow for variation in internal temperature and error in the thermometer.
Freezing pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 °F (−15 °C) or three days at −4 °F (−20 °C) kills larval worms.

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Wait...what did I already tell you? Oh, yeah...the same shit. I guess you just need to see things in pretty bullet points.

You should start eating pork. I mean, by your logic...they're smart animals so eating it will also make you smart right? I mean, that follows your logic pretty well, so maybe that might help.

Seriously, everbody here that is taking this guy seriously needs to look at the facts before radically altering you diet. Again, everything in moderation is a fairly safe philosophy.

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this is beautiful - very beautiful -
now we are making some progress -

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Cooking meat products to an internal temperature of 165 °F (74 °C) for a minimum of 15 seconds.
Cooking pork to a uniform internal temperature of at least 144 °F (62.2 °C), per USDA Title 9 section 318.10. It is prudent to use a margin of error to allow for variation in internal temperature and error in the thermometer.
Freezing pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 °F (−15 °C) or three days at −4 °F (−20 °C) kills larval worms.

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the scientist are almost there also - yes they are making progress
but what they are not telling you that you cannot kill the trichina worm with this method - if they did, allot of business would shut down - big business pays whoever they need to to stay in business -


so we do agree that there are worms and larvae in the meat that need to be KILLED


lets all think for a few minutes





with this

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most people do not trim the fat, they use it, they eat it

there is no such thing as being half right -

are you still telling us that pork is not a fattening, parasitic piece of garbage ?


your own research proves me correct - but you still deny it - Why Is That ?

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Are you reading what's posted here? Every time I post something that completely disproves what you're trying to state as fact, you avoid it.

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relax man -

nothing you have posted disproves anything i wrote

it proves i'm correct

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

...Anyway, if it truly is poison, I don't know if I could bring myself to stop eating ham, bacon and sausage unless if it really got me sick. I mean, why shouldn't I eat poison, if its good and it has no effect on me?

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The underlined statement looks like a delusional one. If something is poisonous, it would have an effect on one who ingests it. There is no such thing as ingesting a poison that has no effect on a person's body, except in fictional stories.

I love pork.

Chile Verde, Carnitas, Tacos Al Pastor, Pork Chops, Bacon... Everytime I got to Fat Burger I make sure they throw in bacon on my Triple King Cheeseburger.

I eat that shit all the time because it taste good. I don't give a fuck how dirty a pig is before it's cleaned and cooked properly...And the risks aren't even that bad. You can die from eating beef and chicken if it ain't cooked properly...Why single pork out? E Coli and Mad Cow is found in chicken and beef.

I guess we should all just become vegetarians and miss out on the best foods in the world because there's a SMALL chance it can harm us.

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Originally Posted by Rode Block

I love pork.

Chile Verde, Carnitas, Tacos Al Pastor, Pork Chops, Bacon... Everytime I got to Fat Burger I make sure they throw in bacon on my Triple King Cheeseburger.

I eat that shit all the time because it taste good. I don't give a fuck how dirty a pig is before it's cleaned and cooked properly...And the risks aren't even that bad. You can die from eating beef and chicken if it ain't cooked properly...Why single pork out? E Coli and Mad Cow is found in chicken and beef.

I guess we should all just become vegetarians and miss out on the best foods in the world because there's a SMALL chance it can harm us.

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Actually pork is the only meat thats really dangerous if not cooked properly.

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

you are done - well done lol

you go on about moderation, we asked a question -

eating filth in moderation is ok ?

i noticed that you didn't get angry and that you were respectful and peaceful the whole time - you are not a big swine eater, you don't eat it all the time - its effects are small in you

its over when you stop posting - we are not forcing you to reply

Peace man

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No reason to get mad over this, after all it's not like I care too much about what other people think of my diet as long as I'm healthy I'm fine with it.

But peace as far as this topic is concerned.

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Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt

Actually pork is the only meat thats really dangerous if not cooked properly.

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There's other foods that are dangerous when not cooked properly but I'm not sure of you would classify them as "meats".

the swines flesh is very different from other meats - the Toxins Stay in the Flesh -

we have have given yall links, and somethings to think about, and a program for yall to test out on yourselves -

Think -

the toxins stay in the pigs flesh - Why ?

pork is naturally salty - why ?

why is there a sewage line on the leg and hoof of the pig ?

why does the pig make that oink noise ?


the answers are provided in this thread and in The War on Swine thread -


we have warned yall and provided information to yall for you to do the knowledge for yourself if you care -

there is a War on Swine thread?

http://www.addictioncontrolconsultat.../swine-war.jpg

fuck it..it taste good..who gives a fuck.

^
lmao...obviously not you.

FUCK IT...IT *TASTES* GOOD...WHO GIVES A FUCK

This could be the slogan for modern society...

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SHEM HETEP

*TASTES* can also be substituted with the following words: FEELS, LOOKS ETC.

^ thats the truth.

mufucka, aussies, we eat kangaroos,crocodiles n shit..we don't gotta worry bout this.
more things to worry bout

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Originally Posted by Luza

actually he has a point there. i mean, if you have religious reasons for not eating pork, you should hang on to it. but for a person not belonging to one of these religions, there aren't acutally any scientific justified reasons for not eating properly prepared pork.

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exactly right..is someone gonna tell me theres a conspiracy theory why u shouldnt eat pork aswell?,........if i eat it will it put a tracking device in me?will it give me aids...


lol..please

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