AHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHHAHHHAAHAHH!! Slaughterhouses single has dropped!!

i was wondering when this started, do the slaughterhouse fans listen to anything besides slaughterhouse, because they are on some YEA BUDDENS IS GONNA GET YOU WU, but any man who knows a reasonable variety of hip hop, knows callin out dudes, ESPECIALLY wu tang doods, on a record is very fucking pussy shit. buddens started ALL of this, and for what? ask yourself that. did it need to be known by the masses that budden might be better then method man?

so either your a reasonable hip hop head who'll say yo this beef shit is kinda ghey and desperate, why would budden even say anything

or your them cats at the budden forum ive seen sayin shit like

wu tang clan? who even are these cats?!?!
LOL INSPECTOR DECK? does this guy actually exist? hes obviously a nobody! ive never heard one song of his talked about on BET

so, kind sir, saying you DABBLE in rap music and actively taking buddens side is some smart dumb nigga shit

not only do you clearly like the wu but they also didnt do anything wrong
just let these guys poison buddens name like budden himself must have wanted and stop DOUCHEFYING yourself by defending him or his dumb ass fans (yes dumb fuckers as far as ive seen)

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Originally Posted by standout

dude..what are you talking about. slaughterhouse fans are not kids by any means. majority of slaughterhouse fans are people over 20

im 22. i grew up on nas, talib, immortal technique, copywrite, the whole demigodz crew, pack fm, tonedef, az, wu...u cant tell me that i dont know what im talking about.


and i think slaughterhouse is dope...

now YOU can think that slaughterhouse is not...thats your opinion.

but stop blaming their hype on their "fans"....come on man.


they deserve all the hype they are getting...and where are u getting this "one liner" interpretation from? when they got songs like Never Sleep by ortiz...or This is My Life by crooked...or That Your Man by royce....or Exxxes by joe...

they make real records man.


Now, if you really wanna blame it on something...then go ahead and blame it on peoples taste in GOOD hiphop....but dont be pointing fingers on some hater shit.


if you dont like it, thats fine...you dont have to. but to be like "Yeah i know everything about hiphop and they are wack fuck them and their fans"...thats just lame, especially cuz if you really knew anything about thier fans you would know their fans are fans OF lyricism, dope concepts, imagery...etc.

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First of all, no fan of lyricism is going to call this lyrically dope.
If you think it is, you don't know lyricism.

Second, most the people you named are backpack garbage.

third 22 is my age also, 22 is still a kid though.
I know 30-40 year olds listening to hiphop. 22 you were born in 86-87 that's not that old. You're barely even a Ronald baby.

fourth naming a song or two here and there they did solo doesn't excuse the fact that as a group, the songs they've put out are not good concept songs and the word play and one liners they've had thus far are crap.

No, it's not my opinion it's crap, it's crap.

Observation not judgement....

Sorry, but if something sucks to me, I'm just going to say fuck it.
If that's too much, too bad...

Also, exxxes by budden is not a good concept. I'd even venture to say it's a retarded concept.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

First of all, no fan of lyricism is going to call this lyrically dope.
If you think it is, you don't know lyricism.

Second, most the people you named are backpack garbage.

third 22 is my age also, 22 is still a kid though.
I know 30-40 year olds listening to hiphop. 22 you were born in 86-87 that's not that old. You're barely even a Ronald baby.

fourth naming a song or two here and there they did solo doesn't excuse the fact that as a group, the songs they've put out are not good concept songs and the word play and one liners they've had thus far are crap.

No, it's not my opinion it's crap, it's crap.

Observation not judgement....

Sorry, but if something sucks to me, I'm just going to say fuck it.
If that's too much, too bad...

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what can you say? that kid you responded to is the stereotypical slaughterhouse fan who thinks they know hiphop when they know nothing and think that joe budden/sh is some extreme form of "lyricism" , which everyone who listened to enough hiphop know it isnt. that shit is mediocre lyricism.

i named 1 song of each of the top of my head...if u wanted me to list 10+ concept songs by each, il do that. although id rather not waste the time..

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Originally Posted by Rollo

First of all, no fan of lyricism is going to call this lyrically dope.
If you think it is, you don't know lyricism.

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i think you dont understand versatility.

club songs are not meant to be meaningful. club songs are meant for everyone to understand, sing along to, have a good time to, and laugh to...


even pharoahe monch made "simon says"


you think about what your saying.

no one wants to be in the club listening to shit you gotta stop to think about.

so if this song fails as a club song...then it fails as a club song.

IMO, it does not fail at a good attempt at a club song...thats at least that...personally i love it.

but only time, DJs, and crowed responses are gona answer this question. not you rollo.

This shit was wiggidy-wiggidy-wack.

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Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED

I only fuck with real MCs, MCs that do what i cant.

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Don't you listen to Little Wayne?

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Originally Posted by standout

i named 1 song of each of the top of my head...if u wanted me to list 10+ concept songs by each, il do that. although id rather not waste the time..


i think you dont understand versatility.

club songs are not meant to be meaningful. club songs are meant for everyone to understand, sing along to, have a good time to, and laugh to...


even pharoahe monch made "simon says"


you think about what your saying.

no one wants to be in the club listening to shit you gotta stop to think about.

so if this song fails as a club song...then it fails as a club song.

IMO, it does not fail at a good attempt at a club song...thats at least that...personally i love it.

but only time, DJs, and crowed responses are gona answer this question. not you rollo.

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I understand versatility, what I don't understand is how you can possibly think having a deep message is going to ruin a club song.
No one at club is dancing to the lyrics, they're in it for the beat.

There is no excuse to not try with your lyrics.
Further more, ten good concept songs are something they don't have. Exxxes though, is NOT a good concept song.
They don't even have an album yet.
As a group, their material so far is unimpressive.

In regard to clubs, what is good is good, what isn't isn't.
I don't need to let anyone else judge, that shit sucks.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I understand versatility, what I don't understand is how you can possibly think having a deep message is going to ruin a club song.
No one at club is dancing to the lyrics, they're in it for the beat.

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if you name me one club song that had a deep meaning and received significant air play on the radio and at the clubs i will hang myself in the basement.

the only thing that came CLOSE to that is TI - Live Your Life...but that wasent much of an actual "club" song even though it got received as one.

but judging by your taste in music...you probably think TI is wack too.

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Further more, ten good concept songs are something they don't have. Exxxes though, is NOT a good concept song.

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what the fuck are you listening to

ok...fuck all of them, lets randomly pick budden...and scratch exxxes out

heres 10 concept songs just from BUDDEN.


3 Sides To a Story
Sidetracked
Secrets
Just to Be Different
10 Minutes
Who Killed HipHop
In My Sleep
Pray For Me
I Couldnt Help It
4 Walls


now go on and hate some more and downplay all those songs.

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They don't even have an album yet.

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they have one comming. thats already a milestone for any supergroup.

how many supergroups you know that have albums? the fourhorsemen released a limited EP, that dont count.

besides Masta Ace no one in EMC ever had any major exposure...so thats not really a supergroup.

and then theres The Firm...the only supergroup that i know that managed to release an album.



but go on...make more dumb statements and downplay their music. your either a hater or your sleeping on their shit. i dont know which one it is, but what i do know is that your wrong.

damn you know 10 songs from Joe Budden

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Originally Posted by standout

if you name me one club song that had a deep meaning and received significant air play on the radio and at the clubs i will hang myself in the basement.

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if its a club song then its not supposed to be deep u pussy nigga. the song aint wack cuz its not lyrical its wack cuz its corny and the whole 'rock star' trend was played out last year

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Originally Posted by Spectrum7glr

damn you know 10 songs from Joe Budden

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thats 10 dope concept songs off the top of my head. Rollo was saying that they dont have 10 concept songs together. i can keep going, but i refuse to.

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Originally Posted by TGambino

if its a club song then its not supposed to be deep u pussy nigga.

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thats what im saying.

you either didnt read my post, or accidently quoted me and not Rollo.

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Originally Posted by standout

if you name me one club song that had a deep meaning and received significant air play on the radio and at the clubs i will hang myself in the basement.
the only thing that came CLOSE to that is TI - Live Your Life...but that wasent much of an actual "club" song even though it got received as one.


Club songs don't necessarily have to be anything in particular. As I said already, people listen to them for the beat, not the lyrics.






what the fuck are you listening to

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At this moment in time?







I have a thing for boom bap..... and castlevania.

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ok...fuck all of them, lets randomly pick budden...and scratch exxxes out

heres 10 concept songs just from BUDDEN.


3 Sides To a Story
Sidetracked
Secrets
Just to Be Different
10 Minutes
Who Killed HipHop
In My Sleep
Pray For Me
I Couldnt Help It
4 Walls

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While most of these are story telling songs, a few of them are not unique or special.
In my sleep and just to be different are just a cliche. The only song in that list that passes as being close to good is who killed hiphop and even it is down right dull lol

I said good concept songs, and just to be different isn't really a concept, it's more just him bitching.

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now go on and hate some more and downplay all those songs.

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It's not hate, it's honesty my friend.

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they have one comming. thats already a milestone for any supergroup.

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Not really........

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how many supergroups you know that have albums?

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Depends, what do you consider a supergroup?
This forum can be said to be dedicated to a supergroup.

Keeping in the spirit of what I think you were implying though....

La Coka Nostra
Masters of illusion
Handsome boy modeling acedemy
Boot Camp Click
West Side Connection
WC and the Mad Circle
213
purple ribbon all stars
Dungeon family
Deltron 3030
Method Man and Redman
Army of the Pharoahs
Black Market militia
The fixxers
DPGC
living legends crew(west coast, not the 8ball & MJG one)
Company flow
Soopa Villainz
The orphanage
Gravediggaz


I'm sure there are more and that's not even counting the cross over groups.
Gorillaz, body count....



I'm sorry, but what the fuck kind of hiphop fan are you? lol


You are suspect my friend... very much suspect.
Your knowledge of hiphop seems incredibly superficial.


Also, what kind of uppity elitist standard is it to say an album is automatically an LP?
I'm sorry but bull shit.

I have read NOTHING of this thread but I watched the first maybe, MINUTE of that video and I am borderline irate.

1. If you do not listen to rock and roll, you have no business making RAP music about how much of a rockstar you are.

2. Oh, and to sound down with it...he drops the name, NICKLEBACK. Are you fucking kidding me?

3. He fucks up the "horns". It's index and pinky out, thumb in. No excuses.

I wouldn't even care if he wasn't trying to sell that image so fucking hard. That trendy shit just fucking irritates me.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Depends, what do you consider a supergroup?

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il go with the wikipedia definition:

"the term supergroup was coined to describe "a rock music group whose performers are already famous from having performed individually or in other groups."

with emphasis put on the words in bold...especially the word "famous"



the term supergroup is a little overused and thrown around...wikipedia will quote a group of anyone who had any sort of solo carear a supergroup...even though, by definition, that is not the case. This is why EMC is listed as a "supergroup" on wikipedia, even though out of its 4 members only one had mainstreme successful.

now taking that most common definition into consideration, the real question to you should be what do you consider being famous? since 99% of that list you assembled is NOT famous.

and not only that. but a few of the groups you listed...like DPG...were rap-groups before anyone in them had any solo success...being the requirement for a "supergroup"


Now il give you a pass on DPG....but i cant believe that you actually said "this fourm can be said to be dedicated to a supergroup"...wu-tang is not no fucking supergroup. wu-tang was a hiphop group before anyone in it because a successful solo artist. Meaning, its not a supergroup. If wu-tang was formed after the fact that a bunch of its members experianced success individaully, THEN, and only then, would it be a supergroup.


This is why when you wikipedia "Wu-tang"...you get something like "wu-tang is a hiphop group"...not "supergroup". most of wu's members were practically unknown in all aspects of hiphop, even underground, before they broke through as a group.

You, and as well as the other pro-wu anti-slaughterhouse people on the site should know this like the back of your hand.


il give you this though...i was wrong when i said i cant think of anyone but the Firm. i forgot about 213 and WSC. and i guess Meth and Red works too...although its sketchy cuz they dont really carry as a group. The term "duo" seems to work for them a lot better than "group"



Now you said as a "fan of hiphop" im "suspect"

Fine...

but reading your last post....id say as a person of common sense, your suspect.



Lastly, before you jump the gun and say "well no one in slaughterhouse had a successful solo carear either"...your only partly right. they all had major mainstream exposure, which i would say is good enough for them to be now considered a supergroup...even though their mainstreme success as solo artists was short lived.

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Originally Posted by standout

thats what im saying.

you either didnt read my post, or accidently quoted me and not Rollo.

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ur a pussy and the song sucks log off

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Originally Posted by TGambino

ur a pussy and the song sucks log off

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yes calling someone you dont know a pussy makes sense.


the level of intelligence on this site is shocking...net thugs.

I'm sorry but how long have you been in hiphop? Most of those people ARE famous and were famous before hand.

Dungeon family had outkast and goodie mob
West Side connection had fucking Ice Cube WC and Mack 10
213 was fucking nate dogg, warren G and snoop....
Handsome boy modeling school was prince paul and dan the automator
DPGC was Daz, kurupt, Snoop, Warren G, lady of rage, RBX and Bad azz...
Boot camp click had Buckshot from black moon, smif and wesson and heltah skeltah
Gravediggaz had Prince Paul and Rza who had just did 36 chambers...
Deltron had Del the Funky Homosapien Dan the Automator
Purple Ribbon all stars had Bubba Sparxxx and Big Boi from outkast..
La Coka Nostra was famous also, everlast and Dj Lethal especially
Masters of Illusion had Kool Keith and KutMasta Kurt who are most definitely famous


99% of my list isn't famous?

Are you on crack?
Everyone there has had more radio play than anyone in the group your backing lol



As for supergroup
The term supergroup can be seen as subjective good sir, that's why I said it depends on your definition.

Calling me out on something I acknowledged as subjective shows bluster on your part.
More over, not knowing most of those people were famous....
is just.... lulz....

Please, school yourself before you come at me with shit you obviously don't know.

How the fuck do you not know BCC is a super group? lol

like i said...aside from WSC, 213, meth and red, and fine...il give you dungeon family as well, no one there had mainstream success.

what the fuck are you talking about BCC having success? in the hiphop world sure, but not mainstream by any means.

walk down the street and ask someone if they ever heard of heltah skeltah. your out of your mind.

[QUOTE=standout;1627198]like i said...aside from WSC, 213, meth and red, and fine...il give you dungeon family as well, no one there had mainstream success.



Purple ribbon all stars had bubba sparxxx and Big Boi from outkast, how are they not famous mainstream rappers? Do you know how many fucking plays their singles get? lol

Del isn't famous? So all those years Dj's spun mista dobalina are just a myth to you? And that Souls of mischief track as well as Del's work with the Gorillaz?
Are you retarded? lol
He's sold way the fuck more than anyone in slaughterhouse and let me flip that question, who in slaughterhouse has had mainstream success? Not a damn one of them.


The gravediggaz were all over the fucking radio, how is that not mainstream success? Prince paul who produced De la soul, grave diggaz, and a million other things is one of the most successful producers of all time. Same with Dan the Automator.

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you even talking about anymore?

BCC is so famous, and most people know Sean price you jack ass, he was all over the radio in the 90s.
I heard heltah skeltah on the radio when their last disc dropped, I heard nothing from budden on the radio last year, so wtf are you talking about?


Black Moon isn't famous? Mother fucker please....
Handsome boy modeling school was all over the radio also and so was their earlier material, which you would know, except you obviously don't know shit about dan the automator.


What is commercial now, was not the same as it was in the 90s.


Do some research little man.

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What is commercial now, was not the same as it was in the 90s.

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yes, because you, at 22 years old, knew what was popping off in hiphop was back in the 90s.

quit speaking out of your ass.


you know about as well as i do. on that note, im done arguing here. im glad that i read some smart comments...glad that i read some very stupid ones.

wu tang is dope...im looking forward to all of their future projects.
slaughterhouse is dope...if u dont agree, look around and youl notice that there is no one holding a gun to you saying you have to listen to them. so dont.

however, if it bothers you that their considered "dope" even though you disagree (which seems to be the case with 90% of the people here), then i suggest you wear a mouthguard to protect you from biting your lips off for the rest of the year since they got 1 group album, 4 solo albums, 3 eps, and 4 official mixtapes coming out by first quarter next year...so be prepared to hear about them in every hiphop discussion on or offline and read about them in every hiphop magazine you pick up.

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yes, because you, at 22 years old, knew what was popping off in hiphop was back in the 90s.

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Started listening when I was 12, had older siblings who got me into it, started writing rhymes and digging through the local mom and pop cd store 4 years later, then I went and bought my mic a couple years after that, got serious about recording just a year and a half ago.

You could do research as I've been telling you to do, instead you don't look at video archives, at producers and where they came from or at why people who are known as the greats of the golden era are great and yet you presume to know who is famous and who isn't.

Lookie here, the reality is regardless of my age, those people are famous, I've even made a case for why they are.

The only thing you've done is show bluster and ignorance.
Sean Price gets spins, Heltah Skeltah as a duo gets spins.
Del does, Dan the automator does, even kool keith and kutmasta kurt do, so does outkast and the west coast artists mentioned here and even the others from LCN and everywhere else I mentioned.

When we started you claimed that a supergroup making an album was a completely original achievement. Clearly, even by your own admission, it isn't.


You can bicker about fame all you want and fame isn't even something slaughterhouse has.
They are not the first supergroup to put out an album, even by your wishy washy definition of a supergroup.


Yes, I am more schooled on this than you are, such is made obvious by the way you keep back tracking, first there were no supergroups who achieved this, then suddenly you admitted there were a few, then you admitted to another and now you're just barely clinging to this notion the others I named weren't famous.

And honestly, most would not agree with you.

Either way you look at it, your original point is dead.

And I do believe I've wasted enough dialogue here for now so I'm moving on. Continue to defend your unaccomplished idols if you like...

Joe Budden just posted a "I am sorry Method Man" video blog on his website......hahahahaha

So does Joe Budden lose again????

Rollo is mad

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Rollo is mad

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I don't get mad, I criticize people's character just because I can.

weren't you moving on ? :)

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Originally Posted by Spectrum7glr

weren't you moving on ? :)

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In regard to the prior argument, sure.
I'm still going to read the thread though.

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Aww shit!!!
now i realized that i'm late az hell wit theze slaughterhouse songz

ok now sticking wit the topic, i heard this song the 1st time
n i thought it was trash. yes there'z ppl likin this shit
but hey thatz wat they like. but me, this iz a no. :nonono:
for a group to be called "slaughterhouse",
in my mind, thei jus got to come more agressive wit their skillz,
need to come strong wit the beatz, be able to move the crowd
and combat anyone or any crew out there to show 'em wat
thei are capable of doing. but sadly they aint livin up to their
name properly