i'm shure others would have answers to these questions too but don't have the patience to read through an argument to settle the difference
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i'm shure others would have answers to these questions too but don't have the patience to read through an argument to settle the difference
PEACE
"The only one ducking here is you, why not just prove that he called himself that? Since you seem to have done the research and consider yourself "worthy" to mention it in the first place."
I don't own the books i have read about him.....even if i did make a trip to the lie-berry and found the quotes you would just shuck and duck and say some shit like you been doing when i wasted my time posting bible verses that YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW..as i said....every Ethiopian and every devil knows that he called himself the Lion of Judah.....as i said...study a subject before you debate it.....
"Show and Prove."
No please don't use 5 percent slang....please don't...you obviously worship a spook god....thats not 5 percent......
"Why do I mention reincarnation? Because the scriptures do. They asked if John the Baptist was Elijah, or did you not know that?? There is no way you can debate the fact. It clearly states Elijah the Prophet would come in the last days. Nowhere does it state "a person named Elijah would come in the last days". "
See this is exactly why im not gonna waste my time finding anymore info for you...the verse clearly says the person who will be sent in the last days will be ELIJAH.....it doesn't say anything about reincarnation......i will send ELIJAH....not....i will sent Elijah reincarnted.....
"Why bring him up if you couldn't show & prove that he was what people believed him to be??
How do you know he did this?"
Cuz the bible says he would.....
"Can you admit here that you were not "worthy" to even bring the subject up, and by your own words, have been foolish in doing so??"
Your the one who looks foolish.......you don't even know the subject you are debating...you must be 5 years old and think girls are gross......
"I've been doing my studies, thank you, and I'm telling you - you need to study harder. It's obvious I already knew what the verse said, that's why I asked you to quote the scripture. It's there in black and white - it doesn't say the Israelites served 430 years in Egypt."
...you can go to any Church temple or Mosque and they will tell you the ISrealites were enslaved to the EGyptians.....
"It's obvious I've done more study on the subject then you have, so why not just admit you're wrong about what the verse says instead of convincing yourself I don't know what I'm talking about, or even worse ignoring what your own eyes are telling you??"
You have obviously been smoking more crack than me.....you are clearly the one who is lacking in studies.....re-incarnation....heh....cute.....
"That's correct. That's why I wrote 400 years. Then I further informed you that prophecies came after it that changed it. You do realize that Abraham wasn't the final prophet, yes??"
huh?
"Where were they brought to in 1555?"
THe so called New World.....
"WHY do you continue to AVOID proving that Israelites SERVED 430 years in Egypt?????
Or that a man NAMED Elijah would come in the last days?????
Or that Haile was CALLING HIMSELF Lion of Judah?????"
Any Ethiopian will tell you he called himself the Lion of Judah......i live in a area with alot of Ethiopians....even the EThiopians who don't like him will tell you he called himself the Lion of Judah.....you have no idea how foolish you are appearing.......the verse says i will send Elijah........Elijah will be his name....take your hippy bullshit reincarnation somewhere else.....
please take your ass to a church or mosque so they can tell you that the ISrealites served in Egypt for 430 years......
"So WHY did you bring him up claiming he "released seals"?? Why do you pass off information without FIRST having done the knowledge?? "
THe bible says he will release the seals.....im going by the bible and quran...you are the one making shit up....
"Do the KNOWLEDGE, Son. before you do the WISDOM" -- RZA"
Yes....listen to RZA....don't debate Haile Selassie or the bible if you never studied it........you are clearly the one who wisedomed before he knowledged......
this was one big fuckin waste of time....i thought you were going to have an intelligent convo and you turn the shit into a game......
oh well...i learn so much from debating people on the internet.....especially i learn the tactics people use when they lack knowledge on the subject....so far you have done nothing but speculate and alter bible verses......
God damn....
does anyone else see this shit?
Elijah Muhammad is that one written of - FACT
check his works
its ok to be missing pieces that lead up to this truth
Lets look at his works then read the scriptures prophecys
one by one to settle this
lets keep it civilized and in order
KNOWCHEESE
are you saying elijah did not come back as John the Babtist?
PEACE
that could be debated.....
but i am convinced that Malachi 4:5 is speaking of the last days which is today......
there was no day in Jesus time that was dreadfull like the 20th century......the 20th century fits the description of dreadfull........
correct knowcheese.
i belong to a particular group which believes that.. the time you are speaking of IS now.
and that the persona of Jesus already came back
you see we also belive that Elijah came back as John the Babtist, and the fact that this is true to us.. shows that the coming of Jesus will be through another body.
when somebody dies..the body changes matter.. the mind does not.
this is saying that, the attributes of Jesus will be bestowed to somebody else.
obviously u are confused now as to what im saying.. let me give u a link!
lol trust me when i tell you he is not confused to what your saying
i see this
there are pieces that yall didn't realize yet
but in time god willing you will
You're obviously not a RASTA, please don't speak on their theology and what some DEVILS and Ethiopians said (who BTW OVERTHREW HIS ASS) if you can't back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by knowcheeze
You wanna act like a savage now?Quote:
"Show and Prove."
No please don't use 5 percent slang....please don't...you obviously worship a spook god....thats not 5 percent......
Showing and Proving has been terminology used since the ancient world.
1Th 5:21 PROVE all things; hold fast that which is good.
It's refering to those who STUDY, they should prove what they study.
Further proof:
2Ti 2:15 STUDY to SHEW thyself APPROVED unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So what do you have to say about that savage??
An what do you know about what I worship or rather commune with?? I don't worship mystery god, I'm also not a athiest fool.
That much is clear. You obviously lack reading comprehension of the verse. It DOES NOT say Elijah the prophet would be named Elijah when he came in the last days.Quote:
"Why do I mention reincarnation? Because the scriptures do. They asked if John the Baptist was Elijah, or did you not know that?? There is no way you can debate the fact. It clearly states Elijah the Prophet would come in the last days. Nowhere does it state "a person named Elijah would come in the last days". "
See this is exactly why im not gonna waste my time finding anymore info for you...the verse clearly says the person who will be sent in the last days will be ELIJAH.....
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it doesn't say anything about reincarnation......i will send ELIJAH....not....i will sent Elijah reincarnted.....
Listen you obviously have never studied the bible and have chosen what scriptures to jack to fit your theology, or rather the NOI's theology.
Elijah the Prophet EXISTED BEFORE the relevant scripture in Malachi was written, did you know that??
In order for him to come in the LAST DAYS he would have to come through REINCARNATION.
Or would you say reincarnation is a "spook" belief??
Show and Prove that the name and person of Haile Selassie is mentioned in the Bible.Quote:
"Why bring him up if you couldn't show & prove that he was what people believed him to be??
How do you know he did this?"
Cuz the bible says he would.....
Does the Bible also say he would be buried under a toilet, like it's said he was??
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Your the one who looks foolish.......you don't even know the subject you are debating...you must be 5 years old and think girls are gross......
Who cares what spook god worshippers in "church temples" and "mosques" say?? The Bible does not say the Israelites served 430 years and them muthafuckas can't prove that they did.Quote:
"I've been doing my studies, thank you, and I'm telling you - you need to study harder. It's obvious I already knew what the verse said, that's why I asked you to quote the scripture. It's there in black and white - it doesn't say the Israelites served 430 years in Egypt."
...you can go to any Church temple or Mosque and they will tell you the ISrealites were enslaved to the EGyptians.....
Then prove in the verses you quoted pages back where it states "served in Egypt for 430 years".Quote:
"It's obvious I've done more study on the subject then you have, so why not just admit you're wrong about what the verse says instead of convincing yourself I don't know what I'm talking about, or even worse ignoring what your own eyes are telling you??"
You have obviously been smoking more crack than me.....you are clearly the one who is lacking in studies.....
Oh so you are saying reincarnation is not part of the culture of original people??Quote:
re-incarnation....heh....cute.....
Pay attention know-shit, I know the 400 year dream was for Abraham. I also undersand there to be prophecies that stated the 400 years were supposed to be cut short. Not only does the Old Testament touch on that, so did the prophet Jesus.Quote:
"That's correct. That's why I wrote 400 years. Then I further informed you that prophecies came after it that changed it. You do realize that Abraham wasn't the final prophet, yes??"
huh?
They came BEFORE 1555. Or are you implying that is the "official" date??Quote:
"Where were they brought to in 1555?"
THe so called New World.....
I don't give a fuck what they say. I also know that Ethiopians overthrew this so-called "Lion of Judah". I asked your admitted crack smoking ass from the beginning to prove he said it of himself.Quote:
"WHY do you continue to AVOID proving that Israelites SERVED 430 years in Egypt?????
Or that a man NAMED Elijah would come in the last days?????
Or that Haile was CALLING HIMSELF Lion of Judah?????"
Any Ethiopian will tell you he called himself the Lion of Judah......i live in a area with alot of Ethiopians....even the EThiopians who don't like him will tell you he called himself the Lion of Judah.....
I know it states Elijah would be sent. Now prove that the verse states "Elijah will be his name". You're a lier.Quote:
you have no idea how foolish you are appearing.......the verse says i will send Elijah........Elijah will be his name....
I wouldn't call the ancient NATIVE AMERICAN, BUDDHIST, and HINDU cultures "hippy bullshit".Quote:
take your hippy bullshit reincarnation somewhere else.....
Why can't YOU prove it in the verses your blind unworthy crack smoking ass quoted earlier?? I'm not the one needing further study on the subject.Quote:
please take your ass to a church or mosque so they can tell you that the ISrealites served in Egypt for 430 years......
Where does it say HAILE SELASSIE in the Bible??Quote:
"So WHY did you bring him up claiming he "released seals"?? Why do you pass off information without FIRST having done the knowledge?? "
THe bible says he will release the seals....
SHOW and PROVE.
Oh so Haile Selassie is mentioned in the Quran now as well??Quote:
.im going by the bible and quran...you are the one making shit up....
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"Do the KNOWLEDGE, Son. before you do the WISDOM" -- RZA"
Yes....listen to RZA....don't debate Haile Selassie or the bible if you never studied it........you are clearly the one who wisedomed before he knowledged......
Prove that he "released seals" to events that happened before his birth, and after the "conquering lion" fled his countr,y was chased to England, overthrown by his own people, and finally buired under a toilet.
Prove that it states in the Bible the Israelites served 430 years in Egypt.
Prove in the Bible that Elijah the Prophet would be recognized by the name "Elijah" in the last days. (and then convert to Islam!)
The only one playing games here is you. Trying to pass off information that is not RIGHT and EXACT. (or is that more terminology I shouldn't be using?)Quote:
this was one big fuckin waste of time....i thought you were going to have an intelligent convo and you turn the shit into a game......
Not so fast know-shit.Quote:
oh well...i learn so much from debating people on the internet.....especially i learn the tactics people use when they lack knowledge on the subject....so far you have done nothing but speculate and alter bible verses......
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....but I did question why YOU call himed him LOJ. I was not familiar that he used the title to refer to himself. It's only NOW that you mention he signed his letters with "LOJ". (DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE FOR THAT?)
But your initial piece of "evidence" (in post #130) you stated:
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Brother....you are GREATLY mis-informed on that one.....one day i was watching old news reels from the 30's.....new reels made by AMERICAN reporters....and these AMERICAN reporters were calling him the LION OF JUDAH......
And I told you I don't trust devil or the media in such matters. The CIA ran the "media" and they still run the shit, especially back in the "1930's". (the date you gave; btw do you have a SOURCE?)
Then you further stated:
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Haile Selassie was known as the Lion of Judah Root of David to Ethiopians and the whole world.......
And I understood that to be the case. Though I must ask you this; are you implying that the "whole world" believed he fulfilled the title mentioned in the book of Revelation?? Do you believe he believed that of himself??
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Show and Prove that this alleged affair between Solomon and Sheba produced a seed and point out where in the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel it's recorded (chapter and verse please). But before you do that, can you even prove in the Bible they had sexual relations with each other??"
Its in a book called the Kebra Negast.....read it....
Why do refer me to the KN? You made the claim about a biblical figure (Solomon) and I asked you to prove:
* WHERE in the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel is the seed of Solomon and Sheba recorded?? (chapter and verse please)
* WHERE in the bible is it written that they had sexual relations?? (chapter & verse)
PEACE
sorry kepphie pies...study a subject before you debate it okay?
otherwise keep on riverdancing....im at a internet cafe and im not gonna waste my money debating someone who don't know shit about the subject they debating..
peace wooly!!!!!
peace prince...
What subject should I study know shit? We've discussed several. And you havn't shown yourself approved with any of them.
PEACE
just re-read the thread wardy.....this has been addressed already.....
No need to be proud know shit. There's no rush. If you need time to study up I understand. I'll be here when you decide to answer the questions.
PEACE
you kind remind me of this dude in duckdown.com message board named basement addicts....he be loosin debates horribly but his responses show no acknowledgement.......
anyways....so keph....what religion are you??
what are your beliefs about the bible and quran or things to do with God.....
Do you think the people on KTL are dumb? Anyone whose read the last few posts plainly see where you failed to give adequate rebuttal to my last post. At this point of the discussion, if it's to continue, instead of trying to rationalize that I'm "loosin" the debate try to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
PEACE
Hmmmm......theres one person on Knowth(beeeeeeeeeeep)
The biggest dagger in your credability is how post after post you questioned if King Selassie called himself or was known as the Lion of Judah.....you got embarassed EARLY on so then you began picking needles out of a haystack.....
one of these needles was the Malachi 4:5 verse.....the bible is open for interpertation/speculation but when it says "I WILL SEND ELIJAH" its pretty reasonable to speculate that Elijah will be the name of the prophet before the great and dreadfull day...............unless one was picking needles.......so needlepicker? you got something better? lets hear it!!!!!!!....
another needle was the 430 issue.....i only mentioned 430 in my original post in this thread because i know that typically some dumb ass is gonna say Abrahams dream in Genesis was about the Isrealites in Egypt.................
I never questioned if HS was called LOJ. You're a LIER. Quote exactly where and when -- because this lie is not helping you convince anybody. What I asked for was proof that your Jewish king refered to himself as such. Your only "evidence" was some shit about media devils calling him that in 1930's news reels. You also havn't proven that he signed his letters "Lion of Judah".Quote:
The biggest dagger in your credability is how post after post you questioned if King Selassie called himself or was known as the Lion of Judah.....you got embarassed EARLY on so then you began picking needles out of a haystack.....
* Again, the scripture in question doesn't state that Elijah the prophet would be NAMED Elijah in the last days, that's only your assumption.Quote:
one of these needles was the Malachi 4:5 verse.....the bible is open for interpertation/speculation but when it says "I WILL SEND ELIJAH" its pretty reasonable to speculate that Elijah will be the name of the prophet before the great and dreadfull day...............unless one was picking needles.......so needlepicker? you got something better? lets hear it!!!!!!!....
*By simply refering to other scriptures it's understood that what's being implied in Malachi is reincarnation. (which you called "hippie shit")
* Biblically speaking in reincarnation nobody knows the events or the names of their past lives. It's understood that "there is no remembrance of former things". (that is unless they fit prophecy)
* According to the OT the prophet Elijah lived in ANCIENT Israel. The prophet Malachi who came later prophesied that Elijah would COME AGAIN in the last days.
* So it's not a matter of interpretation but of adding words on to the specificity of the passage. (i.e. saying he would be "named" Elijah)
Not only did you mention it you were also arguing the scripture states something it clearly does not.Quote:
another needle was the 430 issue.....i only mentioned 430 in my original post in this thread because i know that typically some dumb ass is gonna say Abrahams dream in Genesis was about the Isrealites in Egypt.................
PEACE
blah blah blah.....no credability have you.....deal with it.....
if it was me who made a BIG ASS BLUNDER early on i would be a man about it and submit to the one who has greater knowledge...but you a funny style cat....so...
i made a mistake of argueing the 430 year issue because it has nothing to do with my original post except for the reasons i have already said.......i gave your funny style self an oppotunity to digress the whole thing into some nonsense George W type shit.....
as far as Malachi 4:5......it doesn't say a damn thing about REINCARNATION so if ANYONE is adding or subtracting from the text its you....
BEHOLD I WILL SEND ELIJAH THE PROPHET
Keph says thats REINCARNATION(although i don't see REINCARNATION anywhere in the bible)
Knowcheezeshush says the prophets name will be Elijah....
now which viewpoint is more feasable???
give it up funny style
peace.
peace Kephrem. On point.
Anyways, in response to the 1st statement submitted on the 1st page...,
the 5% are not Muslims.
PEACE
SubliminaLtha7thBorN
PEACE
every 5 percenter knows that Elijah Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and the one spoken of in Malachi.....
so if you think Funny Style Keph is on point then there is no way you could ever ever ever ever ever be a 5 percenter........
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GOD is for us today a title that one obtains when he taps into that higher form of knowledge
just like it takes one sperm cell to fertilize the egg while all the others die off
You would have to study Fards movements, the times where he moved where he moved and the events that followed him.
same with all of those that we call prophets or holy men for our times
now a creator of everything in existance ever and forever
put it like this i figure if we do have a sun and its documented that we we have other suns 300 times and more larger than our sun then i would say yes ther are supreme beings out there
beings superior to us in everyway
but wether or not they maintain us as humans i'm not shure
PEACE
the supreme wisdom lessons(part of the 120) state that the asiatic black man is Allah
Haile Selassie had the afro back in the 30's
Personally im not religious....but if you are Muslim Christian or Jew Fard and Tafari is your man.......
and uhhh........here sonny....www.thenationofislam.org.....there is at least one mistake in it that i know of but regardless see how much Wu Tang lyrics you find........
and to APSU....mmmmmm hmmmmmm.... through submission to the natural lifestyle for humans one can get on the level of those supreme beings....
I like how you continually just skip over shit that was addressed to you. It shows your ignorance of a great many things and lack of debating skills.
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Originally Posted by knowcheeze
What's this cat talking about? Are you now implying that Haile was the first black man to come up with the "afro"?
Man you're confused. Most Muslims in the world didn't/don't acknowledge Allah as a single deity named Farad. Likewise, most Christians and Jews didn't/don't acknowledge Jah Almighty as a single deity named Tafari.Quote:
Personally im not religious....but if you are Muslim Christian or Jew Fard and Tafari is your man.......
I know what it states. Then why do you suggest Farad Muhammad as a single deity named Allah?Quote:
Originally Posted by knowcheeze
Was this your rebuttal to my point about the NGE?? (since you brought them up a few posts back)Quote:
Haile Selassie had the afro back in the 30's
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Does "every 5 percenter" BELIEVE Haile Selassie to have been the "King of the Jews" and if they don't what does that say of you??
PEACE
"I know what it states. Then why do you suggest Farad Muhammad as a single deity named Allah?"
Huh?
there you go again....
a single deity? i also said Selssie is Jah...Jah is another word 4 Allah........you meant double deity right?
i never said every 5 percenter believed Selassie is king of the Jews......did i?
i would never say something like that.....
there are different cultures and thats just how it is.....theres different cultures all over the world.....and?
No, I'm only going by what YOU said. You stated that Farad is Allah, suggesting that he is and everyone else isn't, which according to the lessons you quoted is false.Quote:
PEACE
"I know what it states. Then why do you suggest Farad Muhammad as a single deity named Allah?"
Huh?
there you go again....
a single deity? i also said Selssie is Jah...Jah is another word 4 Allah........you meant double deity right?
You ALSO said that Haile is "Jah Almighty", and no "Jah" is NOT another word for Allah, Jah is the english translation of Yah.
Man, yall still talking
yall will be seized while you settle ur disputes, then it will be too late....
everybody dissin 5 percent nation without any substancial knowledge to the subject is just a lost media-framed victim of ronald mcdonald.shut up before buildin even higher walls between
your mental and reality or LIVE IN HELL-this aint a curse this is mathematics.
ALLAH BODY UNIVERSAL-EVOLUTION
AINT NUTTIN TO FUCK WITH
You sound like you are most definitly intelligent with your "substancial knowledge" you put into that remark. Todays mathematics...1+3=5. "Peace."Quote:
Originally Posted by aismani
5%ers and Christians are gay.