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^^^didn't read it but i know exactly what you mean...i wish people would just avoid using slang if they have no idea with they're doing...the absolute nadir of this was the azzarello/corben cage series from a few years back which was basically racist.
'pseudo blackness'...basically
this is deadpool's mini series right? what did they just have some gangster caricatures in it or what?
^^^is she hanging out on a pile of coke?
Captain America may have just been reborn, but that doesn’t mean that Marvel is done with his storied past. In fact, 2010 will see the release of a mini-series that shows how Cap, and some other familiar faces, ran into the Black Panther of the 1940s during World War II. Announced today at Comic-Con International San Diego during the Mondo Marvel panel, Captain America/Black Panther: Flags of Our Fathers comes to us from Black Panther writer/multi-media talent Reginald Hudlin and writer/artist Denys Cowan (handling the art chores this go-round). We had a chance to speak to them ahead of the panel announcement at San Diego to see what it’s like handling Marvel history.
Newsarama: How did you get involved with this particular project?
Reginald Hudlin: Denys and I have worked together a lot over the years, but never done a comic book together. That seemed stupid to us, we decided to do one. I think this was the first idea we said, and that was kinda it. We’ll do other things together, but [this] will be the first.
Denys Cowan: I've always loved the Black Panther and I've worked on various Black Panther projects throughout my career. Reggie is the current writer of BP, of course, and this seemed like a natural project for us to do together.
NRAMA: As creators, what is the appeal of the World War II era? And what’s it like to handle Captain America in that specific setting?
Hudlin:World War Two is when Black Panther and Captain America met. It’s also a rich era, with characters like Nick Fury and the Howling Commandoes, the Red Skull, Baron Strucker, and other more obscure but interesting characters.
Captain America is still the noble man he was before he took the super soldier serum, but he’s green. He’s still rocking the triangle shield. That’s a fun period in his life to explore.
Cowan: The appeal of the era is that it was a pivotal time in U.S. history. It's [also] a chance to focus on a character, Gabe Jones, who hasn't had a lot of light on him. And a chance to do Golden Age Panther is something that we couldn't pass up.
NRAMA: With Black Panther, he’s been established as a generational character. Which Black Panther will we be seeing here, and how would the protector of Wakanda react to Cap and Nick Fury at that point in history?
Hudlin: Azzuri the Wise is the Black Panther, who is T’Chaka’s father, T’Challa’s grandfather. We’ve seen him before in my first run of BLACK PANTHER where he defeats the Sub-Mariner in combat, then schools him to the future implications of WW2. There’s a reason why he’s called “the Wise”.
Azzuri sees a lot of promise in Steve Rogers. It’s tough love, but he wants to help him. As for Nick, Azzuri sees the war hero he is and the cold war spy he’s going to be...and treats him accordingly.
There’s another character in play here – Gabe Jones, the black member of the Howling Commandos. He really provides the point of view of the mini-series. He’s a guy who sees a lot to admire in both Captain America and Black Panther, and ends up getting caught in the middle of a much larger conflict.
Cowan: Very little surprises this Golden Age Black Panther and very little impresses him. However, he's impressed by Captain America. The Panther's first obligation is to his people, to his country, to his family. So his relationship to Nick Fury and in fact, anyone who's not Wakandan, is subject to those considerations.
NRAMA: You obviously have an association with one another through both working at BET; in the comic arena, could you describe what your collaborative process is like?
Hudlin: We go back way further than that. We met when Denys was launching Milestone. We’ve worked on a number of animation projects together, and developed some original properties...some of which we’ll finally follow up on, now that we’re both free men again.
As for the process, we just talk it out till the other is ready to get to work.
Cowan: Reggie and I will discuss an idea, in this case Captain America-Black Panther, discuss story ideas and plot points. Then Reggie goes off and writes an excellent script, tying all the ideas together so that they make sense. And then, I draw it.
NRAMA: Denys, how does your background as an artist influence this type of piece?
Cowan: The scope of this story forces everyone involved to be at the top of their game.
NRAMA: Similarly, Reginald, as a film director, you’re used to staging scenes and realizing your own particular vision. How does that work for you with a co-writer? With an artist? Is that writer-artist relationship for you similar to how you relate to a Director of Photography on-set?
Hudlin: When I write, I write some stage direction, but don’t overdo it. Denys has great instincts as an artist. When I saw the thumbnails of the first issue, I about lost it. His “roughs” crush most people out there. It’s not just the look, it’s the storytelling.
NRAMA: Granted, Wakanda is a fictional country. However, did the project avail you the opportunity to do research on that general region of Africa in World War II? What might have been happening in the area at the time, and do elements of that impact your story?
Hudlin: There’s real history of the region, there’s Marvel history of that period, then there’s racial dynamics of that era that aren’t in most popular entertainment. All of it gets mashed up in the story.
Cowan: Even though Wakanda is fictional, it's based in fact on several real locations in Africa. The research that we've done on that part of Africa and the troops that were fighting in Africa at the time have all influenced the way I'm telling this story.
NRAMA: The title “Flags of Our Fathers” evokes patriotic imagery and the recent Eastwood film. Why is that name especially appropriate for this event?
Hudlin: I haven’t seen the Eastwood film, but I did love that title. For me, FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS refers to the beliefs that generations before us fought for. Quinten Tarantino was talking with me about his new movie INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, and he made a great observation – WW2 is a war about racism. The Nazis thought they were the Master Race, and the world rose up and told them NO.
NRAMA: What kind of resonance might this meeting have in the Marvel Universe of today?
Cowan: It's a story that has never been fully told and it's just the beginning. Since we don't know alot about T'Challa's grandfather and the Golden Age Panther, there are endless possibilities for further exploration.
Hudlin: You mean Bucky Cap meeting female Panther? Could happen....
well fisrt of all they keep turning Deadpool's Black Humor into "Black" Humor, if u get what im sayin...and also Tombstone is in the shit so...the "Pseudo Black" lingo is almost unavoidable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandemic
^^^even though that's never been tombstone's style...or deapool's either...smh
i kno, thats what im saying..tsss fuckin comics....btw, i was having a conversation with some guy yesterday who was saying that Geoff Johns is the guy u should get into if u wanna get into DC right now, and then he went on to call Geoff Johns the Bendis of DC...to which i replied............hmmmmmmmmmmm
thoughts? eloels.
^^^haven't read enough johns to really comment on that, but i get the sense that he's being granted 'universal chief architect' status like bendis has at marvel right now...
bendis is really hit or miss for me, he's written some stuff i've loved and then other stuff i've been indifferent to or completely hated...to me that would make grant morrison the bendis of dc lol
everytime i have a conversation with someone at the comic shop i want to punch them in the face and give up reading comics lol
this jackass was talking to me the other day about the current direction of dc and "what are they doing to my characters?" your characters? seriously? he was complaining about batman...and my reaction was...let the storyline play out first of all, secondly, batman's been around 70 fucking years if the current direction isn't to your liking there's literally decades worth of shit you can check out and enjoy...or you can branch out and read some indie/mature books...i hate what they're doing to x-men, so i don't buy it...this jackass was picking up all the batman books and bitching about it lol
when's chew #3 coming out? i need that
august im pretty sure...last issue said see u nex month.
^^^ya i know i was wondering what week...i'm tired of going to the comic store every week it's like 15 miles from my place
havent picked up comics in about 2 weeks but i picked up yesterday
i think deadpool said word to your mom i dont remember if it was in suicide kings or in his main series.
is hulk 600 worth getting and captain america 601?
spiderman 599 and 600 were well written lol at mary jane coming back at the end. i was surpised that they didnt do a cover gallery since thor and captain america did when they got their 600s.
^^^ya deadpool has ocassionally used slang like 'holla atcha boy' and stuff...i'm assuming the stuff in suicide kings was more excessive and out of context, i'll take dusk's word for it
i think spidey was just so jam-packed with stuff that there was no room for a cover gallery...liked the short story with the spider-mobile featuring comic book guy lol
dan slott's the man as far as spidey goes...he writes a funny book 'pop a claw in your ass'
so glad to see mary jane back too...they need to explain the secret identity mindwipe thing and what happened on his wedding day...it's annoying at this point
stay away from hulk man...stay far away from anything written by jeph loeb
cap 601 was good...it's just a flashback story though...ww2 with vampires drawn by gene colan
hmm^
hmmm? hmmm what?
<unforgiven>innocent? innocent of what? </unforgiven>
vampire thing