Mathematics - Black Samson, The Bastard Swordsman feat. entire WTC

It could be up there as one of the better tracks on Saga Continues like Frozen and People Say, basically because there’s only 3-4 group tracks and they’re all solid.

“Not the type of song to drop lyrics to” seems like a very odd statement. At least there should be some word play or for it to sound good, especially when the rest is bringing that. Cappa just brings it down a lot with as the vocals are already bad due to him being old, overweight and unable to keep a steady flow, so the lyrics stand out even more.

Agree to disagree of course, but while this is a fun joint, I can think of a dozen better group tracks released since A Saga Continues over this.

Math got the formula right with this one! Straight Wu-banger

Yeah this is nice. Does it’s job as it piques my interest, and should build some interest / anticipation for the full project.

9/10 for Mandingo. Without going back to the 90s with shitty equipment this is Wu-Tang! Fucking FINALLY!

There’s a video, no appearance by any of the rappers and feels very AI generated.

After a few listens I have softened on the production, though I feel Mathematics got caught between a classic Wu song and more of a movie sampled based one that RZA also has trie. It feels very 8 Diagrams like. Still a bit disappointed in how Blue Raspberry’s talents were underutilized, but at this point this is a big W for Wu fans regardless of it all.

I just had a whole post typed up but fucked up and lost it lol.

7.5/10

This is an average Math beat. The clan needs to get back to rhyming over “banging” production.

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Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk

It could be up there as one of the better tracks on Saga Continues like Frozen and People Say, basically because there’s only 3-4 group tracks and they’re all solid.

“Not the type of song to drop lyrics to” seems like a very odd statement. At least there should be some word play or for it to sound good, especially when the rest is bringing that. Cappa just brings it down a lot with as the vocals are already bad due to him being old, overweight and unable to keep a steady flow, so the lyrics stand out even more.

Agree to disagree of course, but while this is a fun joint, I can think of a dozen better group tracks released since A Saga Continues over this.

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id like to see that list

theres like 4-5 joints from that album on, that compare to this. They may have better lyrics but not a better beat/fun track.

to me im just happy i have a song that has the same flow throughout. This coulda been stitched together way worse and cap atleast kept the flow of the other members. Comes off as he went on last and was guven a short time to add a verse. Im just happy its on vibe cuz wu songs could be 8 verses going 8 diff ways like the 2000s, they all going in same direction herr. Im not expecting cap to throw in 95-97 punchlines 30 years later. He played his part imo for the type of track it is which is upbeat party style.

im not judging any new wu shit whether OUATIS or This, versus origibal run stuff its a totally diff time , comparing 20 year olds to 50-60 year olds, and the game is not the same. As a complete product, this works on a level way higher than most of their output has been.

Im not go discuss caps weight, lol. dudes a literal monster of a man. Didnt realize how big he was when i saw him at ringz lil session. Not just big. But Intimidating big.. while also being a damn near great grandfather status soon if not already. Not gon rip a legend up for getting old. Cmon bro. I saw some of yall talking about weight/flow of these guys like really? but then complain when they say something out of school for modern day (even tho they always rapped about it in that same way) because times changed and they shouldnt talk like that anymore... yet yall still judging them based on what they were capable in their prime…

Cant have it both ways. By old standards this song should not even exist. Show me the 50-60 year olds with a banger at their age. Imo its Be happy ya got wu with blue rasp in 2025 with a math/rza track is howbi see it. Cuz we coulda had nothing and yall would then say “wu needs to drop more”.

they could have ABT’d it up and keep watched us with a rando rnb in modern style and we got blue rasp. Win.

I can rip any joint up if i want and see everything as mid if i really wanted to and choose to be negative on any song n say its not up to par. But ima just enjoy this one for what it is not what it isnt or what could be cuz cap messed up a flow on a bar. Noones confusing this for wu forever. But this is a good joint.

For a single, today, great wu track. Real wu track. Best single they had in years. But if ya not feelin ya not feelin just think it dont take away from the track at all. He coulda gave a better take, but he least caught the flow to finish off.

This is a banger. Beat is fire, and the members came correct. Deck and Meth really stood out and I like Blue Raspberry’s vocals on it.

I have a good feeling about this album.

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Originally Posted by TommySuits

This is an average Math beat. The clan needs to get back to rhyming over “banging” production.

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Before I lost my post, I said I think this beat is just "hard" enough but not too "chill" at the same time. My gripe with The Saga Continues is the beats - I feel they aren't hard/banging enough (I liked a few tracks like Hood Go Bang but most of the album felt too mellow or something).

I personally feel like Mandingo quality-wise could fit on The W or Iron Flag

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Originally Posted by ta12113

Agreed. Let us hope that there are some versions of the cover that are actually decent. The music seems promising but the artwork is horrendous.

Interestingly the “Claudine” cover has been changed for streaming. Personally I liked the original one. Here’s the updated version:

https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/t.../600x600bb.jpg

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...49/977/aba.gif

Damn, they really know how to downgrade shit. Generic cover with reeks of AI. The W in Claudine just looks like a cheap MS Paint job, plus notice how 'starring' is misspelled. Saving money on every single fucking corner. Wack. Just pay an artist FFS, cheap bastards

https://youtu.be/y31s2neFGaA

WTF up with Rae's voice being so low volume? Could have used U-God and GZA, and maybe Ghost. Great to hear Blue again. (Btw, who the fuck decided on that picture for the backcover of her Chambermusik album?)

Feels like Meth's verse got cut short.

So they are now using AI for creating samples to fit the song. Always thought the strength was in finding fitting existing samples, so there was something else to discover. Not a fan of these uninspired fillers.

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Originally Posted by hiphopjunky

Before I lost my post, I said I think this beat is just "hard" enough but not too "chill" at the same time. My gripe with The Saga Continues is the beats - I feel they aren't hard/banging enough (I liked a few tracks like Hood Go Bang but most of the album felt too mellow or something).

I personally feel like Mandingo quality-wise could fit on The W or Iron Flag

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I think it’s very 8 Diagrams like and is a bit too safe for me, but you are right it’s in between the hard and chill and imo could’ve gone a little harder to make it a banger.

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Originally Posted by Jet Set

https://youtu.be/y31s2neFGaA

WTF up with Rae's voice being so low volume? Could have used U-God and GZA, and maybe Ghost. Great to hear Blue again. (Btw, who the fuck decided on that picture for the backcover of her Chambermusik album?)

Feels like Meth's verse got cut short.

So they are now using AI for creating samples to fit the song. Always thought the strength was in finding fitting existing samples, so there was something else to discover. Not a fan of these uninspired fillers.

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Yeah Rae is too low and definitely could’ve used one of the deeper, heavier voices like U-God or GZA instead of Cappa. 100% with you on the AI fake movie parts.

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Originally Posted by ForensikZ

id like to see that list

theres like 4-5 joints from that album on, that compare to this. They may have better lyrics but not a better beat/fun track.

to me im just happy i have a song that has the same flow throughout. This coulda been stitched together way worse and cap atleast kept the flow of the other members. Comes off as he went on last and was guven a short time to add a verse. Im just happy its on vibe cuz wu songs could be 8 verses going 8 diff ways like the 2000s, they all going in same direction herr. Im not expecting cap to throw in 95-97 punchlines 30 years later. He played his part imo for the type of track it is which is upbeat party style.

im not judging any new wu shit whether OUATIS or This, versus origibal run stuff its a totally diff time , comparing 20 year olds to 50-60 year olds, and the game is not the same. As a complete product, this works on a level way higher than most of their output has been.

Im not go discuss caps weight, lol. dudes a literal monster of a man. Didnt realize how big he was when i saw him at ringz lil session. Not just big. But Intimidating big.. while also being a damn near great grandfather status soon if not already. Not gon rip a legend up for getting old. Cmon bro. I saw some of yall talking about weight/flow of these guys like really? but then complain when they say something out of school for modern day (even tho they always rapped about it in that same way) because times changed and they shouldnt talk like that anymore... yet yall still judging them based on what they were capable in their prime…

Cant have it both ways. By old standards this song should not even exist. Show me the 50-60 year olds with a banger at their age. Imo its Be happy ya got wu with blue rasp in 2025 with a math/rza track is howbi see it. Cuz we coulda had nothing and yall would then say “wu needs to drop more”.

they could have ABT’d it up and keep watched us with a rando rnb in modern style and we got blue rasp. Win.

I can rip any joint up if i want and see everything as mid if i really wanted to and choose to be negative on any song n say its not up to par. But ima just enjoy this one for what it is not what it isnt or what could be cuz cap messed up a flow on a bar. Noones confusing this for wu forever. But this is a good joint.

For a single, today, great wu track. Real wu track. Best single they had in years. But if ya not feelin ya not feelin just think it dont take away from the track at all. He coulda gave a better take, but he least caught the flow to finish off.

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Wu tracks SINCE Saga Continues, not on the actual album. The whole Cappa thing is just a personal thing maybe, but I just cannot listen to a guy who can barely make out words due to his condition and age. Especially when lyrically he doesn’t bring it. But that’s just me. You are right on the whole “wu needs to drop more” in case we wouldn’t have gotten something, but I just hold Wu to a high standard and still gave it a 7 so it’s definitely a good one. I will enjoy it, just have to be honest about some things feeling off. Mathematics can definitely do better than this. In general the whole AI nonsense, from the music video to the cover to the movie parts also brings the whole thing down. There were also high expectations after so many years of an “official” Wu track.

P.S. What’s everyone’s beef with ‘Keep Watch’? Easily one of the best tracks off of ABT. That beat definitely beats this one.

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Originally Posted by Jet Set

https://youtu.be/y31s2neFGaA

WTF up with Rae's voice being so low volume? Could have used U-God and GZA, and maybe Ghost. Great to hear Blue again. (Btw, who the fuck decided on that picture for the backcover of her Chambermusik album?)

Feels like Meth's verse got cut short.

So they are now using AI for creating samples to fit the song. Always thought the strength was in finding fitting existing samples, so there was something else to discover. Not a fan of these uninspired fillers.

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Didn’t even know that Blue Rasperry album existed (or I forgot about it maybe). Is any of it worth checking out?

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Originally Posted by ForensikZ

id like to see that list

theres like 4-5 joints from that album on, that compare to this. They may have better lyrics but not a better beat/fun track.

to me im just happy i have a song that has the same flow throughout. This coulda been stitched together way worse and cap atleast kept the flow of the other members. Comes off as he went on last and was guven a short time to add a verse. Im just happy its on vibe cuz wu songs could be 8 verses going 8 diff ways like the 2000s, they all going in same direction herr. Im not expecting cap to throw in 95-97 punchlines 30 years later. He played his part imo for the type of track it is which is upbeat party style.

im not judging any new wu shit whether OUATIS or This, versus origibal run stuff its a totally diff time , comparing 20 year olds to 50-60 year olds, and the game is not the same. As a complete product, this works on a level way higher than most of their output has been.

Im not go discuss caps weight, lol. dudes a literal monster of a man. Didnt realize how big he was when i saw him at ringz lil session. Not just big. But Intimidating big.. while also being a damn near great grandfather status soon if not already. Not gon rip a legend up for getting old. Cmon bro. I saw some of yall talking about weight/flow of these guys like really? but then complain when they say something out of school for modern day (even tho they always rapped about it in that same way) because times changed and they shouldnt talk like that anymore... yet yall still judging them based on what they were capable in their prime…

Cant have it both ways. By old standards this song should not even exist. Show me the 50-60 year olds with a banger at their age. Imo its Be happy ya got wu with blue rasp in 2025 with a math/rza track is howbi see it. Cuz we coulda had nothing and yall would then say “wu needs to drop more”.

they could have ABT’d it up and keep watched us with a rando rnb in modern style and we got blue rasp. Win.

I can rip any joint up if i want and see everything as mid if i really wanted to and choose to be negative on any song n say its not up to par. But ima just enjoy this one for what it is not what it isnt or what could be cuz cap messed up a flow on a bar. Noones confusing this for wu forever. But this is a good joint.

For a single, today, great wu track. Real wu track. Best single they had in years. But if ya not feelin ya not feelin just think it dont take away from the track at all. He coulda gave a better take, but he least caught the flow to finish off.

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This post has a lot of great points.
I’ll add; It’s Math. It’s Wu members. It’s a Wu affiliated singer. It’s 2025. It’s a “kickoff the album” cut. It’s an energy/fun track. It builds interest/anticipation for the album. It’s serving a purpose. It’s not filler. It’s a good song to me.

Not a fan of the art direction. I don’t know much about AI to comment on it, but I guarantee there’s people out there who do like it. Lots of them.

lol At people clowning his weight and trying to use ageism against Cap. Same ones who cry about Ghost “language” and situation with his kid. Body shaming, gay rights activists; The “contradiction kings”. lol. I agree Caps delivery was the weakest on this song overall. Maybe cuz he was too blunted, but not cuz he was too bloated. lol