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Somebody needs to put the monkeys back in thier cages. I just can't stand cheer leading monkeys.
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Originally Posted by Wu-Matic
Somebody needs to put the monkeys back in thier cages. I just can't stand cheer leading monkeys.
So are you on the alien bandwagon or you have something different? Or you have nothing and just don't want to believe in natural selection?
I'm on some other shit, but don't feel bad I just have different sources for knowledge. I couldn't began to get you to understand it over a message board using yellow text, but I can steer you out of your current rut of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
The tread is the theory of creation of humans, drop your knowledge.
There was a certain point in history where people got together and started telling each other they were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
Then people started telling other people their origins.
To make it easier, people came up with theories they could agree on.
But then somebody that didn't forget thier origin told those people they were full of shit.
And around and around we go.
I could give you my theory on where you came from, but the truth is, I don't know where you came from. You tell me you evolved from a monkey, so for all I know you evolved from a monkey over millions of years. But I think somebody told you that, and you like that idea so you ran with it.
But don't tell me I came from a monkey, because I know where my ancestors originated from.
I can't tell you my creation story, because what would be the point? Your going to tell me i'm some crazy person that believes in fairy tales, or even worse- God. Just the same way that i'm telling you, your crazy for believing you evolved from a monkey.
Maybe you did evolve from a monkey, that's cool.
Like how Native Americans had creation stories, and greeks had their stories about zues and all this and that, and ect ect with other peoples? You believe a story such as that?
Do you believe the earth is the center of the universe? and the Sun and everything in it roates around the earth?
I definitely believe that the land on Earth is a giant turtle.
and we grew out of his back.
evolution? yeah right.
All right, just hear me out a sec. I'm tired of the insult match this has become. You have a right to speak your opinion, and I'll respect it, but just hear me out here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
You are acting like all creation stories are relative. But that's not the case. And you still don't have a grasp on what "theory" means in a scientific context. Theory doesn't mean just some random guess. It's a set of tested hypotheses. Right now, scientific research fully supports the theory of evolution. In fact, there's no possible way of denying it outside of pure ignorance. You can truly prove that evolution happens. There's absolutely no alternative to that at the moment.
Now, with the whole thing about apes. Apparently this bothers you. I don't know why humans have a problem acknowledging they came from animals, but whatever. Saying you came from a monkey is pretty inaccurate. You can say you know where your ancestors came from all you want, but no matter how far you claim you can trace your ancestry, you're going to reach a point of no records. Man's evolution from great apes didn't happen overnight. It wasn't magical. It happened over the course of a million years. So, no humans aren't monkeys, but humans and other great apes have a common ancestor. This is provable by DNA. Did you know that there's only one chromosomal difference between the DNA strand of a chimpanzee and that of a human?
People try to shoot a hole through the argument by saying the fossil record isn't complete. You don't need a full fossil record to draw the conclusion that a series of species of ape gave rise to humans.
So in summary, it's absolutely positive that evolution occurs, just as much as its positive that gravity is caused by planetary rotation. The things that are uncertain are exact mechanisms that cause it and exact fossil records between certain species.
best bump of a thread ever
I don't believe a story. I know where my ancestors came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
I know that the earth rotates around the sun and the sun gives us energy to live.
I don't know why your trying to stereo type native americans as primitive cave people that didn't have knowledge of basic earth science. It just shows your ignorance.
If you want to see how every creation story around every corner and neck of the woods on Earth is relative to each other - don't be ignorant and take a comprehensive read of all the different religions. I can tell some of you have not given a serious analytical look to finding the parallel stories that happened all over the world. Pertaining to the biblical flood, the Dragon/Niburu/Wormwood/Planet X/The Destroyer, and of course- our creation.
But first deal with this cat.
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Originally Posted by V4D3R http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif
...unless it is then also determined that the infection (“horizontal transfer”) went from bacteria to Man and not from Man to bacteria, the only other available solution will be that offered by the Sumerian texts millennia ago.
Why is it that your trying to mince words when this is the fact right here actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
And the funny thing is how Enki describes how they introduced bovine to this planet and certain fish and grains.Quote:
How sure are the scientists that such important and complex genes, such an immense human advantage, was obtained by us --“rather recently”-- through the courtesy of infecting bacteria?
“It is a jump that does not follow current evolutionary theories,” said Steven Scherer, director of mapping of the Human Genome Sequencing Center, Baylor College of Medicine.
“We did not identify a strongly preferred bacterial source for the putative horizontally transferred genes,” states the report in Nature. The Public Consortium team, conducting a detailed search, found that some 113 genes (out of the 223) “are widespread among bacteria” – though they are entirely absent even in invertebrates. An analysis of the proteins which the enigmatic genes express showed that out of 35 identified, only ten had counterparts in vertebrates (ranging from cows to rodents to fish); 25 of the 35 were unique to humans.
And your acting like you can read my mind. The worst insult i've thrown your way is maybe monkey boy.Quote:
Cthulhu
All right, just hear me out a sec. I'm tired of the insult match this has become. You have a right to speak your opinion, and I'll respect it, but just hear me out here.
You are acting like all creation stories are relative. But that's not the case. And you still don't have a grasp on what "theory" means in a scientific context. Theory doesn't mean just some random guess. It's a set of tested hypotheses. Right now, scientific research fully supports the theory of evolution. In fact, there's no possible way of denying it outside of pure ignorance. You can truly prove that evolution happens. There's absolutely no alternative to that at the moment.
Just so we're clear this the definintion of theory as I understand it:
noun: a belief that can guide behavior
Example: "The architect has a theory that more is less"noun: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomenaExample: "A scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"I have no problem with thinking you evloved from a monkey over millions of years. Your replies might as well serve as evidence of that.Quote:
Cthulhu
Now, with the whole thing about apes. Apparently this bothers you. I don't know why humans have a problem acknowledging they came from animals, but whatever. Saying you came from a monkey is pretty inaccurate. You can say you know where your ancestors came from all you want, but no matter how far you claim you can trace your ancestry, you're going to reach a point of no records. Man's evolution from great apes didn't happen overnight. It wasn't magical. It happened over the course of a million years. So, no humans aren't monkeys, but humans and other great apes have a common ancestor. This is provable by DNA. Did you know that there's only one chromosomal difference between the DNA strand of a chimpanzee and that of a human?
Why do you think you need to teach me biology. I got an A in college level biology, your not teaching me anything I don't already know. I could teach you a few things though.
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Cthulhu
People try to shoot a hole through the argument by saying the fossil record isn't complete. You don't need a full fossil record to draw the conclusion that a series of species of ape gave rise to humans.
I'm sorry, but you do need a complete record. It's called science. The fossil record isn't complete because your missing link doesn't exist. They don't even exist for species all the way across the board.
science:
noun: ability to produce solutions in some problem domainExample: "The sweet science of pugilism"Quote:
Patrick J. Conaway
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No transitional fossils had been found at the time Darwin
published Origin of Species, and this led to much criticism of his
work by fellow scientists. Darwin attributed this lack of evidence
to the limited ability of early science to explore the planet, and he
assured his critics that these blanks would be filled by future
scientific discoveries. Had he been right, by now we should be
literally drowning in transitional fossils, but the dirty little secret of
science is that there are no transitional fossils. None. Nada. Zero.
Zip. Zilch. Of all the multiplied millions of fossils discovered since
the time of Darwin, not one can be labeled as a transitional fossil.
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The gaps which separate species: dog/fox, rat/mouse
etc. are utterly trivial compared with, say, that between
a primitive terrestrial mammal and a whale or a
primitive terrestrial reptile and an Ichthyosaur; and
even these relatively major discontinuities are trivial
alongside those which divide major phyla such as
molluscs and arthropods. Such major discontinuities
simply could not, unless we are to believe in miracles,
have been crossed in geologically short periods of time
through one or two transitional species occupying
restricted geographical areas. Surely, such transitions
must have involved long lineages including many
collateral lines of hundreds or probably thousands of
transitional species.
To suggest that the hundreds, thousands or possibly
even millions of transitional species which must have
existed in the interval between vastly dissimilar types
were all unsuccessful species occupying isolated areas
and having very small population numbers is verging
on the incredible! (Denton, p.193)
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To the sceptic, the proposition that the genetic
programmes of higher organisms, consisting of
something close to a thousand million bits of
information, equivalent to the sequence of letters in a small library of one thousand volumes, containing in
encoded form countless thousands of intricate
algorithms controlling, specifying and ordering the
growth and development of billions of cells into the
form of a complex organism, were composed by a
purely random process is simply an affront to reason.
But to the Darwinist the idea is accepted without a
ripple of doubt—the paradigm takes precedence!
(Denton, p.351)
If your asolutley positive evolution occurs then why are you uncertain of the exact mechanisms that cause it? Sounds like magic to me.Quote:
Cthulhu
So in summary, it's absolutely positive that evolution occurs, just as much as its positive that gravity is caused by planetary rotation. The things that are uncertain are exact mechanisms that cause it and exact fossil records between certain species.
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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
Your putting words in my mouth. I never said anything like that. I was asking what you believed. Did you get insulted because I lumped native american creation theories and the Greek gods like Zeus? Like you find the greek creation theory ubsurd? Or did you just infer because I believe in natural selection that I must think Native Americans are primitive cave people? Because I said neither. You think im some dumb white guy who looks down on others because they arent white?
Native Americans were smart people in terms of being able to live off the land, build things, survive ect. I dont think anyone who lives in a concreteless and metaless society are primative cave people, everyone just didnt have access to the raw materials, domesticable animals, suitable farmland, domesticable crops, good weather. They have to be even smarter to be able to survive on what they have.
Now that we got that out of the way, what makes your ancestors come from a different place than mine?
And here is an example of what im talking about. The creation theory of the Aztecs...
Aztec
The mother of the Aztec creation story was called Coatlique (the Lady of the Skirt of Snakes). She was created in the image of the unknown, decorated with skulls, snakes, and lacerated hands. There are no cracks in her body and she is a perfect monolith (a totality of intensity and self-containment, yet her features were square and decapitated). Coatlique was first impregnated by an obsidian knife and gave birth to Coyolxanuhqui, goddess of the moon, and to a group of male offspring, who became the stars. Then one day Coatlique found a ball of feathers, which she tucked into her bosom. When she looked for it later, it was gone, at which time she realized that she was again pregnant. Her children, the moon and stars did not believe her story. Ashamed of their mother, they resolved to kill her. A goddess could only give birth once, to the original litter of divinity and no more. During the time that they were plotting her demise, Coatlique gave birth to the fiery god of war, Huitzilopochtli. With the help of a fire serpent, he destroyed his brothers and sister, murdering them in a rage. He beheaded Coyolxauhqui and threw her body into a deep gorge in a mountain, where it lies dismembered forever. The natural cosmos of the Indians was born of catastrophe. The heavens literally crumbled to pieces. The earth mother fell and was fertilized, while her children were torn apart by fratricide and then scattered and disjointed throughout the universe.
I have more of other peoples/cultures, if need be. But your saying something like that, is where humanity came from?
I already told you what I found offensive:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
Your correlating my knowledge of my ancestors origins with ubsurdity, in an effort to discredit me within our small internet community.Quote:
Do you believe the earth is the center of the universe? and the Sun and everything in it roates around the earth?
In regards to your Aztec story in relation to my knowledge of the creation of my ancestors:
It's nothing like that. I have no knowledge of when and where the Aztec were created nor do I claim to possess that knowledge. That's just as absurd as you claiming humanity's evolution from primates.